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Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

Random_Person

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/shots-fired-at-boxing-weighin-in-dublin-hotel-34427111.html

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Titzon Toast

JustTheOne wrote: »

How did we end up with such a violent generation?

They didn't lick it off the stones did they?
There has been violence since the dawn of time.

...And Justice

seerscryer wrote: »

I do not believe that their is this type of corruption endemic in the Gardai! Quashing speeding fines and very occasionally there was a Garda identified as giving information to criminals as in the Gilligan case.

However, there may be some disgruntled Gardai, with bad wages or lack of overtime, working conditions, lack of equipment or all of the above, that may leak information to the press, but I cannot see the type of corruption that is expressed on this forum from time to time. But this is only my opinion and I could be wrong, as could all of us in our opinions.

I don't believe you, there was a thread in conspiracy theories started by someone called John Monk, 2 weeks ago about the above, although, there was wild accusations about the gardai colluding with criminals to assinate rivals(I don't believe that bit) it was shut down by an admin asap for legal reasons.

seerscryer

eamonnq wrote: »

Which twitter account is that ?

I believe Mr Gangster Gossip is referring to my twitter account! Incidentally, I was never known as @Saorsean but I did like his stuff and do agree with trying to relay any information that i believe is true, rather than been spoon fed my opinions by any of the crime reporters currently doing the rounds!

jonnny68

Am i the only one who wonders just how many garda were deployed every day during the height of the water meter installations and protests it was utter madness, i remember seeing a photo online and there must have been over 30 garda observing 3 men installing water meters and no more than a dozen protesters, i mean WTF is this all about, the only way to put a serious stop to these killings is 24/7 surveillance of these people, the garda evidently know who all these people involved are,yet they appear to be able to roam the city murdering at will, how many more people are going to die and innocent people as well like Martin O Rourke, or others just by mere association with the Hutchs have been singled out and murdered.

It was done with the general in the 80s and after a while it freaked him out and he got paranoid and realistically this is the only way, well the logical solution would be to legalise drugs, control and tax them but only progressive and forward thinking countries do that, and sadly we are a long long way off that.

Stephen Hero

seerscryer wrote: »

This man had a 7 year old son, who now will grow up without a father!

He still has a mother. I have neither.

themandan6611

Stephen Hero wrote: »

He still has a mother. I have neither.

ah bless, begrugding a 7 year old his mother, nice one

Stephen Hero

According to the lefties, this is all the fault of the middle class and the inner city people are "abandoned".

The ordinary working people who pay mortgages are the ones being abandoned here. This drivel of people of inner city needing more facilities, more support etc is the sh*t of a bull. Those who claim to live in poverty live in city centre Dublin with jobs and third level colleges on their doorsteps, yet, many CHOOSE not to take up opportunities. That state has failed the inner city…by providing them with corpo houses and numerous social welfare payments, deis schools and other family supports making them being dependant with a sense of entitlement. There are many of us in inner city Dublin who work, pay mortgages and pay private childcare.

Peter Anthony

jonnny68 wrote: »

Am i the only one who wonders just how many garda were deployed every day during the height of the water installations and protests, i remember seeing a photo and there must have been over 30 garda observing 3 men installing water meters and no more than a dozen protesters, i mean WTF is this all about, the only way to put a serious stop to these killings is 24/7 surveillance, the garda evidently know who all these people involved are,yet they appear to be able to roam the city murdering at will, how many more people are going to die and innocent people as well like Martin O Rourke, or others just by mere association with the Hutchs have been singled out and murdered.

It was done with the general in the 80s and after a while it freaked him out and he got paranoid and realistically this is the only way, well the logical solution would be to legalise drugs, control and tax them but only progressive and forward thinking countries do that, and sadly we are a long long way off that.

650 extra Guards posted to Donegal to protect Prince Charles today. Says it all really where the priorities are

Average joes like the rest of us can do one , as long as our betters the Royals and the upper classes are okay

Benevolent Misanthrope

jonnny68 wrote: »

Am i the only one who wonders just how many garda were deployed every day during the height of the water meter installations and protests it was utter madness, i remember seeing a photo online and there must have been over 30 garda observing 3 men installing water meters and no more than a dozen protesters, i mean WTF is this all about, the only way to put a serious stop to these killings is 24/7 surveillance of these people, the garda evidently know who all these people involved are,yet they appear to be able to roam the city murdering at will, how many more people are going to die and innocent people as well like Martin O Rourke, or others just by mere association with the Hutchs have been singled out and murdered.

It was done with the general in the 80s and after a while it freaked him out and he got paranoid and realistically this is the only way, well the logical solution would be to legalise drugs, control and tax them but only progressive and forward thinking countries do that, and sadly we are a long long way off that.

I wonder if the low-level violent water protests in estates up and down the land used up so much of the Garda budget that they can't afford to put enough people on this kind of stuff?

seerscryer

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Is it just me, or are there a lot of "after the events" raiding of houses/flats people?

Why not before. Where is their intelligence, and I'm not talking about IQ here either.

Hmm.

There have been dozens of raids on the homes of those believed to be involved with both sides. In fairness the Gardai have been on this! Some places have been raided several times! These raids have not been reported or have been reported in perfunctory manner when the raids had not produced an arrest or a drug bust etc!

monty_python

Titzon Toast wrote: »

I just watched the cctv footage of the murder, chilling stuff.

Do you have a link to it?

Mech1

seerscryer wrote: »

There have been dozens of raids on the homes of those believed to be involved with both sides. In fairness the Gardai have been on this! Some places have been raided several times! These raids have not been reported or have been reported in perfunctory manner when the raids had not produced an arrest or a drug bust etc!

Raiding houses takes lots of manpower for a few hours, put 2 armed garda 24/7 on ALL the known players, then have them report instantly every movement to someone with a bit of cop on to work it all out.

Mech1

monty_python wrote: »

Do you have a link to it?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/captured-on-cctv-the-chilling-moment-as-gareth-hutch-is-targeted-midmorning-outside-his-dublin-home-34745038.html

Collie D

Mech1 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/captured-on-cctv-the-chilling-moment-as-gareth-hutch-is-targeted-midmorning-outside-his-dublin-home-34745038.html

I might be a tad sensitive but do we need to see a man being pumped full of bullets?

Allyall

Collie D wrote: »

I might be a tad sensitive but do we need to see a man being pumped full of bullets?

You don't see anything, probably why they can show it on the newspaper sites.

Strumms

Collie D wrote: »

I might be a tad sensitive but do we need to see a man being pumped full of bullets?

It's what is happening on our streets. It is reality. Don't look by all means.

seerscryer

Mech1 wrote: »

Raiding houses takes lots of manpower for a few hours, put 2 armed garda 24/7 on ALL the known players, then have them report instantly every movement to someone with a bit of cop on to work it all out.

Perhaps? I believe you make a good point! But in this instance I would guess that the Gardai have profiled those on each side most likely to perpetrate attacks or those who would be most likely to give logistic support for such attacks, given that the Gardai had predicted an imminent attack!

Therefore, I believe that the Gardai made a good move (in this case) by disrupting the planning of such attacks, as the potential perpetrators would be wondering where would be next and this allied with armed checkpoints on the street, should and probably did thwart some attacks!

However, the attack on Barr and Gareth Hutch have shown us that this tactics can be overcome by a determined and motivated perpetrator(s)!

...And Justice

Have you not seen best Gore?

JustTheOne

Titzon Toast wrote: »

They didn't lick it off the stones did they?
There has been violence since the dawn of time.

Yes but why does Ireland have the highest gun related murders in Europe?

Why doesn't the other European countries have it as high as us?

Collie D

Strumms wrote: »

It's what is happening on our streets. It is reality. Don't look by all means.

Reality or not it just seems voyeuristic to me although I do now stand corrected by the post above yours pointing out they don't show the actual moment.

Benevolent Misanthrope

Peter Anthony wrote: »

650 extra Guards posted to Donegal to protect Prince Charles today. Says it all really where the priorities are

Yeah, you can blame that on the Republicans who would kill him.

Collie D

JustTheOne wrote: »

Yes but why does Ireland have the highest gun related murders in Europe?

Why doesn't the other European countries have it as high as us?

I was sceptical about this but quick search shows you aren't far off if you meant EU. Second to Belgium as far as I can see. Still just over half the Swiss rate (highest legal gun ownership in world I think) and miles behind the obvious Latin American candidates.

Interesting

P.Walnuts

JustTheOne wrote: »

Yes but why does Ireland have the highest gun related murders in Europe?

Why doesn't the other European countries have it as high as us?

Where you getting these stats?

vlad2009

What a read!

Allyall

We don't even make this list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

You can sort it by clicking on the headers.

Mech1

Same video but better edited, still no gore so safe to look at if your inclined to do so.
http://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/watch-horror-moment-gareth-hutch-11381479

harry Bailey esq

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Don't suppose the Hutch's will be paying water charges.:rolleyes:

Nor have I :rolleyes:

UsedToWait

^ Am I missing something or does that not look like footage shot from a window on a phone, rather than CCTV footage?

Strumms

Collie D wrote: »

Reality or not it just seems voyeuristic to me although I do now stand corrected by the post above yours pointing out they don't show the actual moment.

I think voyeuristic maybe only if you get a kick out of watching it. In which case you would be a bit ****ed up lets be honest. It's reality and as there isnt any gore as such i dont think its a bad thing for people to see what is going on... on OUR streets.. lets not forget that.

Benevolent Misanthrope

UsedToWait wrote: »

^ Am I missing something or does that not look like footage shot from a window on a phone, rather than CCTV footage?

It's a Garda filming a computer screen with his phone. You can see windows alright, courtesy of Microsoft.