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Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

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http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/shots-fired-at-boxing-weighin-in-dublin-hotel-34427111.html

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Shurimgreat

I'm sure many of those hand-wringing in the media and elsewhere about the gangland feud, consume large amounts of drugs supplied by the same gangs. Its all part of the hypocrisy.

Uncle Ben

Benevolent Misanthrope wrote: »

I get the sense that you don't think women should be involved in this stuff.

Coincidental that they're both women. What is at fault is that both are overseeing a force which have protests at Dail Eireann, have credibility, morale and trust issues within their own ranks, have representative associations looking for more supplies, personnel, resources and legislation and when both of the above are questioned regarding all of the above issues the reply to media commentators and other reps is that everything is hunky dory.

Thats what's wrong.

bajer101

seerscryer wrote: »

Independent have named the deceased as Gareth Hutch, Dutch crimesite named him yesterday in an online article!
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/face-of-latest-member-of-hutch-gang-shot-dead-in-dublin-inner-city-attack-34742325.html

Yeah, and I see that Nicola has written an article about it. I'd say you can say goodbye to your new twitter account.

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/gareth-hutch-named-and-pictured-as-garda-informant-on-dutch-site#.V0RS33g8lr0.twitter

Shurimgreat

chillin117 wrote: »

The Kinahan mob seem to know everyone involved in the Regency. Some mole somewhere is singing like a bird

Could it be the same mole singing to the gardai and the Kinahans?

How many interviewed by the gardai were shot soon after?

And how do the gardai know who to warn about an imminent threat?

The flying mouse

tomofson wrote: »

Seems like they planned a spectacular that failed miserably, they may have another one of them up their sleeve but i seriously doubt that I would say the regency was either make or break

Yep, As far as I know the plan was for the monks to take over the Costas drugs supply and imports, thus control 80% of this country's drug trade, and then the dissos would start taxing the dealers as in like Alan Ryan did.

This did not start with the killing of Gary hutch it started with the shooting outside a villa in estapona in which a boxer was shot in mistake, there has been some planning put into all this by some very intelligent people, but its all gone pear-shaped and they underestimated the response intelligence and pure finically clout the kinahans have.

tomofson

coniosumadre wrote: »

I'd seriously doubt it. The 3 that are in custody will have to be released or charged by tomorrow. Could be a tough week for the Hutches.

Was thinking that to, the only thing Gerry and friends can do now is sit back and be picked off one by one, while hoping the next one isn't them.

The flying mouse

tomofson wrote: »

Was thinking that to, the only thing Gerry and friends can do now is sit back and be picked off one by one, while hoping the next one isn't them.

Or make some sort of approach to the costas to see can they come to some sort of truce/peace ,The costas did it with Gilligan, while (hope these are the right words) there are ahead they can dictate what the terms should/can be.

As its all bad for business and it has to be costing thousands of euros a week to finance .They will eventually sit down and talk.

bajer101

The flying mouse wrote: »

Or make some sort of approach to the costas to see can they come to some sort of truce/peace ,The costas did it with Gilligan, while (hope these are the right words) there are ahead they can dictate what the terms should/can be.

As its all bad for business and it has to be costing thousands of euros a week to finance .They will eventually sit down and talk.

Back before the Regency it was reported that Gerry would only talk to Christy Snr. or John Cunningham. That obviously didn't happen. That is probably the only meeting that could put an end to this.

tomofson

The flying mouse wrote: »

Or make some sort of approach to the costas to see can they come to some sort of truce/peace ,The costas did it with Gilligan, while (hope these are the right words) there are ahead they can dictate what the terms should/can be.

As its all bad for business and it has to be costing thousands of euros a week to finance .They will eventually sit down and talk.

I think a certain individual who is a close associate of a previous murder victim is far to hell bent on revenge to agree to any terms or regulations that a truce would include, We all know who that individual is who is paying for the murders I think for a real truce the K camp might have to think about knocking off this particular individual

tomofson

According to the sunday world a second Hutch family member "Dodged death" in the shooting today, I wonder could be the same young man who "dodged death" in the sunset last month.

The flying mouse

tomofson wrote: »

I think a certain individual who is a close associate of a previous murder victim is far to hell bent on revenge to agree to any terms or regulations that a truce would include, We all know who that individual is who is paying for the murders I think for a real truce the K camp might have to think about knocking off this particular individual

Yea know who you mean, Were talking millions upon millions of profits here lads/ladies, and at the end of the day business is business and maybe what your saying could/might happen.

But I still think its to early for that to happen, there are two lads there left in the monks camp that in costas world would have to go, Also they be keeping an eye on the dissos in case they get some notions of retaliation so they would have to be involved in any truce.

On second thoughts I think its to early. very unfortunally.

Allyall

tomofson wrote: »

I think a certain individual who is a close associate of a previous murder victim is far to hell bent on revenge to agree to any terms or regulations that a truce would include, We all know who that individual is who is paying for the murders I think for a real truce the K camp might have to think about knocking off this particular individual

They're probably going to have to knock them all off.
I can't imagine the Hutch's agreeing to a truce at this stage, and even if they did, who would trust them?
Vice versa.

tomofson

Allyall wrote: »

They're probably going to have to knock them all off.
I can't imagine the Hutch's agreeing to a truce at this stage, and even if they did, who would trust them?
Vice versa.

The Hutches would have no other option but to agree to a truce what can they do at this stage? They a losing and losing badly.

humberklog

The flying mouse wrote: »

This did not start with the killing of Gary hutch it started with the shooting outside a villa in estapona in which a boxer was shot in mistake, there has been some planning put into all this by some very intelligent people, but its all gone pear-shaped and they underestimated the response intelligence and pure finically clout the kinahans have.

I think the story needs to go a little further back than that: Gary Hutch was suspected by the cartel for being responsible for a number of drugs busts both here and in England. The English bust was a big deal in that it brought down a large crime gang in the north east with a lot of lengthy prison sentences for the main players.

All this was happening while Garreth Hutch was being sought for extradition from Holland. I don't know what happened to the case when Garreth was returned by the Dutch authorities last year but he wasn't in custody (obviously).

Allyall

tomofson wrote: »

The Hutches would have no other option but to agree to a truce what can they do at this stage? They a losing and losing badly.

Yeah, but I mean, if they agreed to a truce, could they trust the Kinahans?
If the Kinahans agreed to a truce, could they trust the Hutchs?

Would they be able to go about their business without thinking it, or without thinking the others are thinking it.

I couldn't live like that, I'd crack up..

bajer101

humberklog wrote: »

I think the story needs to go a little further back than that: Gary Hutch was suspected by the cartel for being responsible for a number of drugs busts both here and in England. The English bust was a big deal in that it brought down a large crime gang in the north east with a lot of lengthy prison sentences for the main players.

All this was happening while Garreth Hutch was being sought for extradition from Holland. I don't know what happened to the case when Garreth was returned by the Dutch authorities last year but he wasn't in custody (obviously).

You'd have to wonder how he got acquitted of that robbery charge when everyone else involved got done. He skipped bail and got extradited and then walked. And that Dutch site reporting that he was a rat. If that's true, it opens up a lot of possibilities.

There's also reports of an ERU checkpoint 200 metres away, yet witnesses said that the gunmen's first getaway car stalled and the gunmen were at the scene for 3 or 4 minutes waiting for the second car. And Nicola reporting that Gareth had an appointment with the Social this morning and that is when he was killed. There are some serious leaks out there and obviously not all from within the Hutch camp. There are enough questions at this stage about all of the murders to warrant a full on independent inquiry from the likes of GSOC.

Allyall

Wonder was it a mix up with the names.
When they thought Gary Hutch was the informant, paper today confirming Gareth was one.

hsbc

Allyall wrote: »

Wonder was it a mix up with the names.
When they thought Gary Hutch was the informant, paper today confirming Gareth was one.

Not at all likely with the intel that the Costas have.

tomofson

Allyall wrote: »

Wonder was it a mix up with the names.
When they thought Gary Hutch was the informant, paper today confirming Gareth was one.

I dont think any of them rags ever "confirm" anything, But I know a lot of people have distrust towards certain Hutches and for good reason.

tomofson

Allyall wrote: »

Yeah, but I mean, if they agreed to a truce, could they trust the Kinahans?
If the Kinahans agreed to a truce, could they trust the Hutchs?

Would they be able to go about their business without thinking it, or without thinking the others are thinking it.

I couldn't live like that, I'd crack up..

Well atleast if they agreed to a truce they would have some sort of chance, right now without a truce its not looking great for them either.

humberklog

The Dutch article didn't say anything new though. The writing was on the wall (or at least in red spray paint across the Russian orthodox church) back in May '14 at the time of the kinahans' mother's funeral.

Dyr

bajer101 wrote: »

You'd have to wonder how he got acquitted of that robbery charge when everyone else involved got done. He skipped bail and got extradited and then walked. And that Dutch site reporting that he was a rat. If that's true, it opens up a lot of possibilities.

There's also reports of an ERU checkpoint 200 metres away, yet witnesses said that the gunmen's first getaway car stalled and the gunmen were at the scene for 3 or 4 minutes waiting for the second car. And Nicola reporting that Gareth had an appointment with the Social this morning and that is when he was killed. There are some serious leaks out there and obviously not all from within the Hutch camp. There are enough questions at this stage about all of the murders to warrant a full on independent inquiry from the likes of GSOC.

Find it hard to believe that gunman are going to stand around a scene waiting for a lift rather than having it away on their toes

bajer101

Bambi wrote: »

Find it hard to believe that gunman are going to stand around a scene waiting for a lift rather than having it away on their toes

Witnesses reported that their first getaway car stalled and that they were at the scene for 3 or 4 minutes until a second car arrived to drive them away.

bajer101

Gardai now raiding a house near the scene.

honreal

Just reading the following article - http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nephew-of-the-monk-shot-dead-in-latest-dublin-attack-feared-his-young-son-would-witness-his-killing-34742466.html and noticed this - “The guards told him he had a direct line into the ERU ‘press the button and we’ll be there’ they told him”

Do all scumbags get a direct line to the ERU for protection??

tomofson

honreal wrote: »

Just reading the following article - http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nephew-of-the-monk-shot-dead-in-latest-dublin-attack-feared-his-young-son-would-witness-his-killing-34742466.html and noticed this - “The guards told him he had a direct line into the ERU ‘press the button and we’ll be there’ they told him”

Do all scumbags get a direct line to the ERU for protection??

Only ones that have helped gardai with inquiries

Coat22

bajer101 wrote: »

There are enough questions at this stage about all of the murders to warrant a full on independent inquiry from the likes of GSOC.

Would ya go away - throw more money after it to find out how scumbag 1 knew scumbag 2 would be sitting in a car outside his flat this morning in the middle of a city? Any chance someone just saw him there? How do you not know that scumbag 2 has been dropping by there everyday for the last month and this morning GH just happened to be there?

GSOC:angel:

Coat22

honreal wrote: »

Just reading the following article - http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nephew-of-the-monk-shot-dead-in-latest-dublin-attack-feared-his-young-son-would-witness-his-killing-34742466.html and noticed this - The guards told him he had a direct line into the ERU press the button and we ll be there they told him

Do all scumbags get a direct line to the ERU for protection??

They would have if most people on here had their way

bajer101

Coat22 wrote: »

Would ya go away - throw more money after it to find out how scumbag 1 knew scumbag 2 would be sitting in a car outside his flat this morning in the middle of a city? Any chance someone just saw him there? How do you not know that scumbag 2 has been dropping by there everyday for the last month and this morning GH just happened to be there?

GSOC:angel:

I am only going on media reports, but from what has been reported:

This morning meeting with the Welfare was only set up yesterday.
There was an ERU checkpoint 200 metres away and the gunmen were on the scene for 3 or 4 minutes.
There were 3 undercover Gardai at the regency.
Despite all the patrols and checkpoints in the area this is the fourth murder in the area and the gunmen have managed to get in and out without being stopped.
They only arrests seem to be on the Hutch/Dissie side.

I am not saying that there is collusion going on, but when you have the Garda fanboy Paul Williams hinting at leaks within the Gardai, then it certainly does seem very suspicious and should be investigated.

bajer101

honreal wrote: »

Just reading the following article - http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/nephew-of-the-monk-shot-dead-in-latest-dublin-attack-feared-his-young-son-would-witness-his-killing-34742466.html and noticed this - “The guards told him he had a direct line into the ERU ‘press the button and we’ll be there’ they told him”

Do all scumbags get a direct line to the ERU for protection??

Coat22 wrote: »

They would have if most people on here had their way

So if somebody thinks that they are about to be murdered, (regardless of who they are), you don't think they should be able to alert the police in order to prevent that murder and to allow the police to apprehend the killers?