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Ohbethehokey

Tulsa have removed a child from it's grandparents because they are in thier mid 60's and it is preferable for Tulsa that the age gap between child and foster parents should not be more than 40 years.

Total nonsense. If I die, my siblings wouldn't be able to foster my children.

Nanny state gone mad. Ageist. Sure enda is 65 and in charge of the country, but apparently these people can't be left In charge of a child, despite teachers and doctors saying they are doing a good job.

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foggy_lad

Ohbethehokey wrote: »

The child is 9 now according to tomorrow's paper.

Is this the start of finding children for same sex couples?

Well at the moment same sex couples are prohibited from adopting in Ireland(one of the couple can apply as a single person), I am not sure how these caring tusla civil servants deal with same sex foster carers or whether they allow it at all.

foggy_lad

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

To be frank, a GP and a principle have little to no idea of what is going on in the home on a family they deal with.

Social workers would have a far, far clearer picture of the needs of the child in question and the ability of the guardians to meet those needs.

They very, very rarely get it wrong, but when they do it's all over the place.

I'll reserve judgement of the SW's in question until such a time as the details become public knowledge.

The same social workers who turned up hours late for meetings or cancelled them at the very last minute or even asked to hold meetings out in a car park?

They might see the child and it's carers for less than an hour and suddenly they are experts? The only thing they know is their forms and red tape and how to juggle their overtime into the budget.

Story Bud?

That poor child

Can you imagine how scared he must be? Taken from his own home without any kind of explanation that he would understand at that age. Just wondering why he's in a strange house with a family this not his.

It's heartbreaking

claregal1

So if the online editions of this morning's papers are correct- it appears that Tulsa are now conducting their own investigation within the organisation as to the outcome of this case ...

Shocking that a child who came to live with his grandparents at the age of 4 is then removed from the only stable home enviroment he has known for the last five years based on his grandparents age.

gctest50

It's what's best for the child long term that matters

Counting when the child is 18/19 they will be 75 - who will be looking after the farm then ?

Would the grandparents be so keen if the child was female ?

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Realt Dearg Sec

Yeah fostering is a mess. I remember seeing a documentary about fostering in Australia, they had this kid, she grew up in a foster home, bit her foster mother actually was just changed overnight one time, and the new one pretended to have the same name. Must have been pretty traumatic, but she never received an explanation. And one after another her foster fathers died, yet nothing was done to help her. And all the other foster kids who came through were constantly fighting and moving on, must have been a very unstable situation. I think eventually she moved to Yabbie Creek but to be honest the damage was done by then to poor Sally.

FTA69

Jesus Christ, reading this article I assumed this sort of stupid carry on was taking place in America or the UK. It appears common sense is going out the window in Ireland as well. There have been countless children raised by their grandparents at various times in Ireland (I was one of them) and they were lucky to have them. To be snatched away from your family by some f*cking anorak and placed in a group home or a house full of strangers is beyond stupid and cruel. I hope it gets resolved.

[Deleted User]

I wonder was there are other evidence? As the thing about age is only a factor.

It sounds awful...but we are getting one side only, and presume Tusla are kinda prevented from saying "but there was also this reason, and that".

I'd be surprised if age was the only factor - if it was that would of course seem wrong.

Ohbethehokey

claregal1 wrote: »

So if the online editions of this morning's papers are correct- it appears that Tulsa are now conducting their own investigation within the organisation as to the outcome of this case ...

Shocking that a child who came to live with his grandparents at the age of 4 is then removed from the only stable home enviroment he has known for the last five years based on his grandparents age.

investigating themselves, i'm sure they'll get to the bottom of it.

600euro/week/child would be worth throwing a bribe to the social worker and securing a few children.

BattleCorp

gctest50 wrote: »

It's what's best for the child long term that matters

Counting when the child is 18/19 they will be 85 - who will be looking after the farm then ?

Would the grandparents be so keen if the child was female ?

What exactly are you suggesting here?

Are you suggesting that they only want the child because he is male and could look after the farm? Really?

[Deleted User]

Ohbethehokey wrote: »

investigating themselves, i'm sure they'll get to the bottom of it.

600euro/week/child would be worth throwing a bribe to the social worker and securing a few children.

Seriously?

€600 per child? Bribes? Conspiracies?

claregal1

Ohbethehokey wrote: »

investigating themselves, i'm sure they'll get to the bottom of it.

600euro/week/child would be worth throwing a bribe to the social worker and securing a few children.

Are you seriously implying that foster carers get €600 pw per child and that social workers are accepting bribes ???

[Deleted User]

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

To be frank, a GP and a principle have little to no idea of what is going on in the home on a family they deal with...

Absolutely.

In family law cases, people often come bounding in with the old "letter from the GP". Not worth the paper they're written on, as the GP can only repeat what the person who brings a child in says. A psychologist who observes the child, speaks with all relevant parties etc. is far more relevant.

Ohbethehokey

Deleted User wrote: »

Seriously?

€600 per child? Bribes? Conspiracies?

A booming trade in children for the right people

[Deleted User]

Ohbethehokey wrote: »

A booming trade in children for the right people

Ah lads, let's not try and turn the case into some utterly nonsense conspiracy theory. And make it laughable.

Afaik it's half the figure you mention.

It's a serious issue. Take it seriously.

Speedwell

I'm 49 and not yet menopausal. My husband is of a similar age. Would Tusla agree to me getting an abortion if I became pregnant with a child who would be 50 years younger than me, or would they prefer to send it to an orphanage?

Ohbethehokey

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah lads, let's not try and turn the case into some utterly nonsense conspiracy theory. And make it laughable.

Afaik it's half the figure you mention.

It's a serious issue. Take it seriously.

It is serious. Children being abused in foster homes won't be removed. This was stated a couple of weeks ago. They would be removed from thier natural parents for the same.

It is a booming trade in children for the right people.

Children for cash

Sapphire

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder was there are other evidence? As the thing about age is only a factor.

It sounds awful...but we are getting one side only, and presume Tusla are kinda prevented from saying "but there was also this reason, and that".

I'd be surprised if age was the only factor - if it was that would of course seem wrong.

I'm hoping that there was much more to it.

I wondered if they were in declining or recent poor health and that's why the child was fostered rather than just their age - after all, its only the Grandparents who are free to discuss their side of things, Tusla cant publicly rebut their accusations.

And we don't know the full story - for those two school/ doctors letters, there could be a stack of other reports that clearly show that the grandparents are not able to cope in lots of ways and increasingly depending on a child to help them around the farm and the house.

I'm finding it hard to believe that an already overworked social worker would go to the bother of paperwork and work involved sourcing alternative foster care if there wasn't a valid reason and the child was in an otherwise stable placement.

Age couldn't be the singe factor for fostering the child.

gctest50

Tusla seem to have had more concerns

Tusla also cited issues with :

home hygiene,
farm safety,
the grandmother's own health needs
the couple’s ability to communicate with its social work department

http://bit.ly/1VgwmV6

They just didn't meet six of the criteria :

The Irish Examiner understands that Tusla outlined six criteria that the couple did not meet as foster carers, which led to the child being removed from their care.

http://bit.ly/1VgwlAp

joey100

I worked with a social worker on a case that was very very similar to this (I'm not a social worker but do work in the area). In the case I worked in they let the child stay with the grand parent. But there were a huge number of concerns, especially around the size of the house that the grand parent owned, at the time they shared a bedroom and concerns were raised about what would happen when the child reached puberty. Their was also concerns around where the rest of the child's siblings where living and the effect of separating them. Basically a lot more goes into the decision than just the age of the grand parents, but maybe this information was all that was released because there is ongoing investigations? Maybe they don't want the real reason released to the media to try and protect both the child and the grandparents? We are getting one side of the story here and should try and remember that.

@ohbethehokey if you think parent's that abuse their children have them taken off them your completely mistaken. The level of abuse a child must suffer to be taken off the parent's is disturbing. Until very very recently the right's of the family where put before the right's of a child.

sbsquarepants

whatdoicare wrote: »

There's 40 years between my husband and our daughter, does that mean he's unfit to parent??

Who makes up this rediculous criteria?!

It's nonsense. I'm 41 I've 3 kids from 3 and half down to 1 month (I'm also exhausted most of the time btw:D but it's worth it and I can manage with no real problem)
This tusla crowd seem very much up their own arses and seem to lack anything resembling common sense. We all know of cases of kids been dragged up by junkies and alcos, basically just being kept alive and the committee seems to think that's fine apparently

captbarnacles

Rubbish. I bet very few farms would meet Tusla criteria for items 1 and 2 and yet have reared perfectly healthy children.

Sapphire

Two specific guidelines that Tusla said were not met were: “Evidence that applicants can seek and accept support when necessary,” and “Ability to work as part of a team with the Child and Family Agency with a commitment to operating within relevant standards, policies and guidelines of the agency whilst providing foster care”.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/grandparents-too-old-to-care-for-grandchild-401171.html

So there is more to it.

[Deleted User]

Ohbethehokey wrote: »

It is serious. Children being abused in foster homes won't be removed. This was stated a couple of weeks ago. They would be removed from thier natural parents for the same.

It is a booming trade in children for the right people.

Children for cash

Can you link any source that shows people get €600 per week per child.

It sounds made up. If I'm being honest, like the rest of your conspiracy nonsense...but this bit should be easily verified.

Thanks.

[Deleted User]

gctest50 wrote: »

Tusla seem to have had more concerns

They just didn't meet six of the criteria :

6 factors is a lot more than the 1 mentioned in so much of the thread so far.

I kinda guessed that age alone could not be the reason.

suicide_circus

Ohbethehokey wrote: »

The child is 9 now according to tomorrow's paper.

Is this the start of finding children for same sex couples?

I KNEW IT!

wokingvoter

Sapphire wrote: »

So there is more to it.

Of course there's more to it. Many grandparents are "fostering" grandchildren in Ireland today with no issues from SS. Media just seized on the 40+ years element to create a story on a slow news day.
The outrage on this thread about something about which we know absolutely nothing is amusing.

[Deleted User]

Who would be a social worker dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.

Cee-Jay-Cee

I sincerely hope that these people get their grandchild back. It's absolutely ridiculous that they have looked after the child for 4 years and tusla think its acceptable to forcibly remove the child from the only people ever to look after him and place him/her with complete strangers and expect the child not to be emotionally damaged by that!

Ohbethehokey

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you link any source that shows people get €600 per week per child.

It sounds made up. If I'm being honest, like the rest of your conspiracy nonsense...but this bit should be easily verified.

Thanks.

325-352 foster payment
Stil can claim the dole foster payment is not counted in means test and increase for having a dependent child
Child benefit

There's other ancillary payments available too