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Jose Mourinho, the new manager of Manchester United

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Flint Fredstone

Agent Coulson wrote: »

3 maybe 4 clubs in Spain, 2 clubs in Germany, Juventus in Italy and PSG in France and as we saw in the January transfer window now China.

Not having that. United, Arsenal and City would have as much, if not more pulling power than Dortmund and Juventus. Atletico lost Costa, De Gea, Luis to PL teams in recent years. They got a cast off in Torres and Luis back when it didn't work out in return. China? Don't make me laugh. You seriously saying the big players want to go to China instead of the PL?

dfx-

It would be a terrible appointment, but very much in keeping with the scattergun approach of United in the transfer market in the past few years. Big names at any price, regardless of whether they fit. Mata, LVG, Schweinsteiger, Mourinho, Ibrahimovic. It would confirm that they've either abandoned any plan they had or that they had none.

Agent Coulson

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Not having that. United, Arsenal and City would have as much, if not more pulling power than Dortmund and Juventus. Atletico lost Costa, De Gea, Luis to PL teams in recent years. They got a cast off in Torres and Luis back when it didn't work out in return. China? Don't make me laugh. You seriously saying the big players want to go to China instead of the PL?

There is only one world class player in the PL and that's Aguero and he'd head back to Spain in the morning if someone came in for him.

English teams get the leftovers and unwanted players and the young players to give then experience before they head back off again.

Flint Fredstone

Agent Coulson wrote: »

There is only one world class player in the PL and that's Aguero and he'd head back to Spain in the morning if someone came in for him.

English teams get the leftovers and unwanted players and the young players to give then experience before they head back off again.

You think Agüero would head off to Villarreal in the morning? As I said, 2 big teams in Spain and 1 in Germany have their pick.

yabadabado

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

And he leaves every club in a shambles.

You are talking bollix there.

callaway92

Agent Coulson wrote: »

There is only one world class player in the PL and that's Aguero

Clueless

Andersonisgod

dfx- wrote: »

It would be a terrible appointment, but very much in keeping with the scattergun approach of United in the transfer market in the past few years. Big names at any price, regardless of whether they fit. Mata, LVG, Schweinsteiger, Mourinho, Ibrahimovic. It would confirm that they've either abandoned any plan they had or that they had none.

Most logical comment on this thread. To go from Van Gaal with his possession heavy style built around structure in possession of the ball and reasonably high line defending and pure faith in youth, it's tough to think of a manager, in terms of tactical approach at least, that is much further away on the spectrum than Mourinho. The appointment really does show, exactly as you say, how scattergun the club's approach has been post-Ferguson, it's as though they had no contingency plans in place at all. To me, it's a club that doesn't know what direction it wants to go in so it just tries to buy anything and everything rated even remotely highly.

duffman13

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

How this appointment sits easy with United fans is beyond me

I really didn't want Mourinho 6 or 7 months ago but the continously crap we've been served up along with Kloppo, Gaurdiola and Ancellotti no longer being available mean ill take him now.

He's an unlikeable character but he will bring success. The alternative of watching United play under Van Gaal is actually bordering on depressive for a lot of United fans even though Van Gaal is appears to be actually a nice guy. You cant manage United and say fans expectations are too high because we expect a top 4 finish and a good tilt at the title.

Mourinho was the best option available in terms of calibre and people might say it's fickle but fans will now get behind him if he is confirmed as manager. I don't know how it's going to go but for the first time in a long time there is genuine excitement among the fan base and I'm already looking forward to the summer to see what Jose has planned

Alfred Borden

dfx- wrote: »

It would be a terrible appointment, but very much in keeping with the scattergun approach of United in the transfer market in the past few years. Big names at any price, regardless of whether they fit. Mata, LVG, Schweinsteiger, Mourinho, Ibrahimovic. It would confirm that they've either abandoned any plan they had or that they had none.

Ed Woodward :pac:

ionadnapóca

dfx- wrote: »

It would be a terrible appointment, but very much in keeping with the scattergun approach of United in the transfer market in the past few years. Big names at any price, regardless of whether they fit. Mata, LVG, Schweinsteiger, Mourinho, Ibrahimovic. It would confirm that they've either abandoned any plan they had or that they had none.

Yea I'd say whatever plan was in place with Moyes.....its long gone. & if JM is confirmed.....also its soul. I can't think of a more selfish egomaniac manager in the sport.

History repeating itself.
Same thing happened when Busby left.
When Clough left Forrest.
Gut Roux left Auxerre.
When successful managers leave a club that they have effectively run for 15-20 years +
There is no time allowed for adjustment and club goes to pot for a long time.

Korat

I hated Mourinho as Chelsea manager. It was pure jealousy. This bunch of relegation regulars had a Russian billionaire chucking money at them, while we were being bled dry by the Glazer parasites, and now they had a manager capable of turning that money into success.

A lot of the anti-Mourinho propaganda about negative football and not giving young players a chance that gets chucked around now originated mostly from Utd fans during his first spell at Chelsea. Hands up we did it!

The truth is he's the 2nd best manager English football has ever seen and we really should have appointed him after the best retired.

rob316

United are in danger of falling further into decline. They won an FA cup but for a club that is one of the biggest in the world, 2 out of 3 seasons out of the champions league cant be left continue. They need a high profile top manager desperately and are praying it will work to arrest the slide.

Hard to believe how badly run the club has become, their isn't any vision or long term strategy there. In contrast to man city they have been building the club around the arrival of GAURDIOLA for some time now and were absolutely determined to get him.

DARK-KNIGHT

Love the lemons :pac:

Jose will come, jose will conquer.....

Icaras

For the Utd fans will you be happy with his 1-0 win and park the bus style?

Also I think the squad is poor - Carrick and Fellaini aren't good enough to be partnering Mata, Rooney seems to be doing better in his midfield role but its only a few games, Rashford is young and the key is to keep him injury free. De Gea is really the only world class player in a team who fans are expecting a top 4 in PL, out of group stages of CL and a good run in one of the cups - there will need to be some big and intelligent spending this summer.

PhlegmyMoses

United (a corporate club before corporate clubs were a thing) are losing their soul with this deal.

We are doing a "deal with the devil".

The "United Way" is gone.

Catch a hold of yourselves lads ffs.

gucci

Korat wrote: »

The truth is he's the 2nd best manager English football has ever seen and we really should have appointed him after the best retired.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvU4d4zCEAEf0VA.jpg

Second best.......?

DARK-KNIGHT

Icaras wrote: »

For the Utd fans will you be happy with his 1-0 win and park the bus style?

Also I think the squad is poor - Carrick and Fellaini aren't good enough to be partnering Mata, Rooney seems to be doing better in his midfield role but its only a few games, Rashford is young and the key is to keep him injury free. De Gea is really the only world class player in a team who fans are expecting a top 4 in PL, out of group stages of CL and a good run in one of the cups - there will need to be some big and intelligent spending this summer.

I would rather 1-0 wins and be in contention.

The united squad has great potential...

PhlegmyMoses

Icaras wrote: »

For the Utd fans will you be happy with his 1-0 win and park the bus style?

Also I think the squad is poor - Carrick and Fellaini aren't good enough to be partnering Mata, Rooney seems to be doing better in his midfield role but its only a few games, Rashford is young and the key is to keep him injury free. De Gea is really the only world class player in a team who fans are expecting a top 4 in PL, out of group stages of CL and a good run in one of the cups - there will need to be some big and intelligent spending this summer.

Mourinho teams are always in the top one and two goalscorers in the league. So this 1-0 win, park the bus style as a rule just isn't real. He'll do it in big games when needed but Ferguson did it, flavour of the month Simeone does it and half of the most revered Italian managers in history have been happy enough with doing that too.

bad2dabone

I think he'll bring United back to the top level.
I Utterly hate him though and his antics.

adox

Mourhino as manager and Fellaini in midfield.

Too much for some of "the concerned" :pac:

Icaras

The squad has potential but if Rashford gets injured where will the goals come from? Rooney has 8 goals from 28 games (some of which he played in midfield).

It might not be 1-0 but it wasnt exciting to watch, the priority was to win not to entertain - Im not saying this is a bad thing but Utd fan expect to be entertained - you seen it this season with the chants and comments after a game that it could have been won 3-0 instead of 1-0, it was (almost) treated like a failure.

ricero

Interested to how he deals with the media after the end of his last reign with chelsea it seemed to turn nasty.

I will miss lvg

klose

Detestable guy but he gets results in a results based business. Interesting to see if United have a long term plan or are they just looking for a quick fix after two fairly disastrous appointments. Which of mendes clients will he be made bring in I wonder.....

PhlegmyMoses

klose wrote: »

Detestable guy but he gets results in a results based business. Interesting to see if United have a long term plan or are they just looking for a quick fix after two fairly disastrous appointments. Which of mendes clients will he be made bring in I wonder.....

My two cents on long term plans etc. We do not have the luxury of long term plans. We don't even have the luxury of trying a semi-proven PL manager like Pochettino (not that Spurs would have let us have him)

Right now we need somebody to get us back in the hunt and back on players minds as a desirable destination. A post Fergie league title is an absolute must.

Liam McPoyle

While its touching to see the concern our rivals have for the club losing their way, appointing Jose wouldn't be "the United way", etc I've quoted a post below from LTSC that pretty much nails it.

The romantic view of "the United way" began when Fergie left.

Fergie was a "win at all costs" manager. He would play "attractive" football when he could, but was more than capable of playing boring when he had to. He gave kids chances but only once the older players were solid as a foundation, and often chose senior players out of position over kids (Rafael over Pogba springs to mind).

The primary goal under Fergie was to win, no matter what. "The United Way" is something that has been created and romanticized by those looking to excuse the mistakes made since he left, and by people wanting to shift priorities because some are harder to achieve than others.

Jose Mourinho is probably the closest you will ever get to Fergie in the modern game. He might not tick the "Long term" box on the sheet, but he ticks nearly every other box in the comparison.

People are commenting that Jose would ruin the club, leave it in 3 years in tatters, so lets break down Jose's managerial record to date.

In two and a half years at Porto the club won the CL, the EL, Portuguese Cup and two league titles. Not a bad record and he left on good terms, not a tatter in sight.

He joined Chelsea and in his first spell they won two leagues, the FA cup and two league cups. In 3 and a bit years. Not a bad record.

He left because he fell out with Roman and the constant meddling in on pitch matters and transfers, the signing of Shevchenko being a prime example. Again, no tatters in sight.

Inter. In two years he won two league titles, the CL and the Italian cup. Not a bad record, left on good terms take the helm at Madrid. Still no tatters.

Madrid. The biggest circus in world football. A club that had 8 different managers in the 6 years before he took over. To even last 3 years in that job is an achievement in itself. Less success there but they still managed a league title and a Spanish cup. Not a bad record. Yet where are these tatters?

Chelsea again, a league title and a league cup in two years. Pretty decent. So now there are a few tatters alright. He behaved deplorably with the doctor and if you believe what you read, that caused players to down tools due to it. I don't know if its true or not, nor do I care.

So what do we have.

An out and out winner, proven time and time again.

Yes, some of his carry on has been terrible, the incident above, the eye gouging while in Madrid, his obsession with driving Wenger round the twist is weird but his abilities cannot be understated.

People fawn over the likes of Pep. He's had two jobs, one for 4 years and one for 3. Not exactly long term Vs Jose.

Carlo Ancellotti last 3 jobs have lasted only 2 years, less than or equal to any of Jose's appointments.

Would anyone use the "he will leave the club in less than 3 years" as a stick to beat either of the above?

No, I don't believe they would.

But Jose gets guff about the lengths of tenure he has had.

Mourinho would bring the fear factor back to United because since Fergies departure every team that comes to OT fancies getting something from the game.

And going by many non United fans reactions and comments, there is a fear factor there before he has even gotten the job.

I used to absolutely hate Wenger and Arsenal, when they were a threat, nowadays they are not so I pay no heed to them.

I hated Jose during his first spell at Chelsea, because they were winners because of him.

When you are successful you will be hated by some sections, that is true in every walk of life.

The board have bottled things since Fergie left, Jose should have gotten the job then. Hopefully they have finally seen sense. Whether he stays for 3 years or more is moot, though I have a suspicion that he would want to build a legacy at United, he idolises Fergie so its not that big a leap to think he would want to emulate his idols achievements.

Hopefully it does happen and even if it is only for 3 years, there will be success in those three years. Soccer is a results game, and Jose gets results, that's more than enough for most fans.

Harry Palmr

Wonder how many Utd supporters are now 100% paid up backers of Mourinho but hated him and his ways of doing things a year ago.

duffman13

Icaras wrote: »

For the Utd fans will you be happy with his 1-0 win and park the bus style?

In 170 games in Jose's last spell with Chelsea he won 12 games by a scoreline of 1-0. That's opposed to LVG who this season alone has won 11 games by a 1-0 scoreline. So Utd fans are used to poxy 1-0 results however in a lot of these games we should have lost (Liverpool, Watford and the CSKA game spring to mind) Jose has a negative perception which is justified but this has come about from his big game strategies.

United fans will be well able to tolerate Jose in games where he needs to be pragmatic.

duffman13

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Wonder how many Utd supporters are now 100% paid up backers of Mourinho but hated him and his ways of doing things a year ago.

Ah lot of us, me included, I gave my reasoning a page back as to why I'm on board now to him coming in.

PhlegmyMoses

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Wonder how many Utd supporters are now 100% paid up backers of Mourinho but hated him and his ways of doing things a year ago.

Funnily enough, I'd be surprised if many United fans truly hated him. Sure, I think he has done some horrendous stuff over the years (the doctor incident being one of them which I'm pretty sure will be plastered all over the papers this summer) but he has always been somebody who has been highly respectful of the club and was good friends with Fergie. United just didn't have the same relationship with him as Arsenal fans definitely and Liverpool fans to a lesser extent.

Rayne Wooney

Football is classless. Sacking a manager that brought you closest to a league title in 25 years is classless. Poor Brendan

The United way is winning, Jose wins everything, but it's nice to see fans of other clubs so worried about it.