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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

delaval

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

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I was wondering would it be a help if we posted our milk prices. I would hope that if someone is low that help could be given, on the other hand if high perhaps your tips could help us all.

I would suggest posting your processors base inc Vat for comparison
Post your Nett price for others to help or be helped
I think that solids should be included.
I suggest any seasonal/liquid contract price be excluded or seperated.

I feel that we as farmers do a lot of bitching about processor prices and rightly so IMO. I also feel that we should not worry about it as we can do nothing about base price but we certainly do something about it at farm level.

What do you all think?

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whelan2

kevthegaff wrote: »

U wouldn't know jerry could be an exodus from dairying, who's going to pay that money with milk in the early 20s

If milk is still in the early 20's in 2019 I think alot of land will be planted in forestry

Buford T. Justice XIX

Tbh, I'm not making many changes here. All cows go to AI dairy straws, most of the heifers have 1 shot of dairy AI got for the first time and there are 2 stock bulls, AA with the cows and friesian with the heifers and swap around every few weeks.

Late calvers will probably be sold and a few culls will be gone early. Someone made the point on twitter about selling the 4 or 5 worst cows in the herd and I have a few gone already, mostly for behaviour. It has made a huge difference to the ease of milking and general behaviour of the cows.

If I'm down in milk this year and next, it's not the end of the world. Milk price is almost immaterial, if it make sense to do it this year, it makes sense to do it every year.

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

U wouldn't know jerry could be an exodus from dairying, who's going to pay that money with milk in the early 20s

With the amount of lads using minimal dairy straws and more beef Bulls and lines of yourself gone the flying herd route scarcity is inevitable Kev .milk won't stay at low 20s long or medium term and will rebound .my plan is to have up to 20/25 too ebi genomic heifers to sell every year unless an opportunity over the ditch pops up .that along with sale of breeding Bulls and whatever beef I rear to 12:14 months is my buffer .makes no sense to me selling calves at 50/80 euro or less unless at a large scale milking nos wise

whelan2

Is alot of it not just that people have enough replacements now and naturally are using more beef? Agree on getting rid of trouble some cows. Had a bitch here that used to always breakout. She sort of self culled by doing the splits but bringing in the cows is stress free now

Water John

Its horses for courses. Some are on a tight line financially, therefore good beef calves having drank lots of cheap milk would be a good cash boost next spring.
Family have to be taken care of first.
One can always switch back next year. One year of not rearing replacements won't do much damage and would ease work load for some.
For others staying at you are doing and selling culls and some calving down heifers is your cash.

jaymla627

whelan2 wrote: »

If milk is still in the early 20's in 2019 I think alot of land will be planted in forestry

Lads will laugh and say it devalues land etc, but on marginal late wet ground I think it's a no brainer personally clearing 12 acres of natural woodland here at the minute and will be planting this and another 8 acres of wet ground bounding it when I got all the paperwork/grants sorted.....
Another big plus is coming down the line when peak oil is reached and oil gets expensive again having 20 acres like above could be a nice little nest egg

Farmer Ed

whelan2 wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/department-looking-into-provision-of-e15000-liquidity-loans-for-dairy-farmers/

Interesting concept but a sad reflection on the the state of the industry if people have to borrow money just to keep a loss making enterprises a float. If and when it happens you could see it as being of more of a benefit to co ops and merchants than farmers. The merchant will get paid but the farmer now has yet another loan that needs to be repaid. I think farmers who are heavily borrowed are the ones finding it most difficult at the moment

Farmer Ed

jaymla627 wrote: »

Lads will laugh and say it devalues land etc, but on marginal late wet ground I think it's a no brainer personally clearing 12 acres of natural woodland here at the minute and will be planting this and another 8 acres of wet ground bounding it when I got all the paperwork/grants sorted.....
Another big plus is coming down the line when peak oil is reached and oil gets expensive again having 20 acres like above could be a nice little nest egg

No sure demand for oil might be as high in a few years time as more electric cars come on the road. But that said looking at returns on other farming enterprises, nothing can be ruled out anymore

jaymla627

Farmer Ed wrote: »

No sure demand for oil might be as high in a few years time as more electric cars come on the road. But that said looking at returns on other farming enterprises, nothing can be ruled out anymore

With bord na mona stopping turf cutting and shutting down the bogs their should be massive demand for timber to fill the gap for these power stations and even as eco-birquettes their's a 10 acre yard close enough to me stock piled with wood supplying power stations at the minute, combined with the sub of 250 euro a year for 15 year's it's a no brainer

orm0nd

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Interesting concept but a sad reflection on the the state of the industry if people have to borrow money just to keep a loss making enterprises a float. If and when it happens you could see it as being of more of a benefit to co ops and merchants than farmers. The merchant will get paid but the farmer now has yet another loan that needs to be repaid. I think farmers who are heavily borrowed are the ones finding it most difficult at the moment

have to agree

any farmer that has to borrow just to keep afloat this year is up sh1t creek, milk prices won't rise any significant amount in the next 5 years imo

best get the shop in order now, than be a pawn for the banks/co ops/ merchants etc

yosemitesam1

jaymla627 wrote: »

With bord na mona stopping turf cutting and shutting down the bogs their should be massive demand for timber to fill the gap for these power stations and even as eco-birquettes their's a 10 acre yard close enough to me stock piled with wood supplying power stations at the minute, combined with the sub of 250 euro a year for 15 year's it's a no brainer

Id say natural gas and cheap imports will still keep a lid on prices

Dawggone

orm0nd wrote: »

milk prices won't rise any significant amount in the next 5 years imo

Someone from Fonterra agrees with you.,.

Milked out

Dairygold Base 22.
Received 23.8 incl vat. Including fixed price and 0.4c quality bonus and 0.1c farm assurance bonus. @3.28p and 3.86bf.
Society average was 22.931c/l
Society avg % solids were just higher than mine so I don't know if the fixed price scheme included in the average or a lot of people didn't go for it. Doesn't specify

keep going

Ah beef cattle the 3 card trick boys of agriculture, now you see your money now you dont , I cant ever figure how 100 euro per head profit per year is a big help in a bad year, you mightnt have the cash flow problems if you didnt have them

Milked out

keep going wrote: »

Ah beef cattle the 3 card trick boys of agriculture, now you see your money now you dont , I cant ever figure how 100 euro per head profit per year is a big help in a bad year, you mightnt have the cash flow problems if you didnt have them

Only reason I can see is outside blocks, wouldn't go for it here. If it costs 1500 to get a heifer to the parlour at two, the only cost the beef animal wouldn't have would be the ai/ breeding and maybe the second wintering depending on age at sale.

mahoney_j

keep going wrote: »

Ah beef cattle the 3 card trick boys of agriculture, now you see your money now you dont , I cant ever figure how 100 euro per head profit per year is a big help in a bad year, you mightnt have the cash flow problems if you didnt have them

Have had beef here as long as I've been interested in farming and unless something drastically changes I will continue to .they are a ready to sell luquid asset and an alternative source of income especially in a bad year .ive out side blocks of land so it suits and not milking cows to a huge scale 110/120 max.rear them good for first 10/12 weeks and then let grass and some meal till June and meal again from late September put condition them .

Jaysus Christ.

whinging dairy farmers. They were overpaid since quotas got introduced. Gravy train is running out of track.

pedigree 6

keep going wrote: »

Ah beef cattle the 3 card trick boys of agriculture, now you see your money now you dont , I cant ever figure how 100 euro per head profit per year is a big help in a bad year, you mightnt have the cash flow problems if you didnt have them

Have to remember too that not all dairy cows can breed a good beef animal.
Big variation in cows.

djmc

Dairying was always slavery never big money to be made since the 80s

Buford T. Justice XIX

Jaysus Christ. wrote: »

whinging dairy farmers. They were overpaid since quotas got introduced. Gravy train is running out of track.

Bet you're glad to get that off your back, it must have been an awful burden on you, you poor lad:rolleyes:

whelan2

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Have to remember too that not all dairy cows can breed a good beef animal.
Big variation in cows.

Changed to British friesian a few years ago. Great improvement in calf health and cow health. Good calves too

Timmaay

whelan2 wrote: »

Changed to British friesian a few years ago. Great improvement in calf health and cow health. Good calves too

Milk delivered per cow probably went up let me guess also? The AI men introducing milky HOs here just because we were in liquid milk probably was the single biggest cockup that happened here over the last 20years, we would never have had the attention to detail for them and very basic winter diet etc.

degetme

Kerry supplier April milk
all spring calving
Proitein 3.14
Fat 4.20
Scc 132
Milk price recived 26.378cl

Fixed price included in this.

without fixed price would have only recived 24.881cl

Protein killing price . Too much silage in diet in early April.

April 2015 milk price recived 31.960cl

whelan2

Timmaay wrote: »

Milk delivered per cow probably went up let me guess also? The AI men introducing milky HOs here just because we were in liquid milk probably was the single biggest cockup that happened here over the last 20years, we would never have had the attention to detail for them and very basic winter diet etc.

Yeah solids everything alot better. They can look after them selves. Using top ebi bulls on them now

Dawggone

Jaysus Christ. wrote: »

whinging dairy farmers. They were overpaid since quotas got introduced. Gravy train is running out of track.

ROFLMAO!!

kevthegaff

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/uk-milk-production-continues-its-upward-trend-for-april/ foot not off the gas yet

whelan2

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/new-report-shows-cost-of-liquid-milk-production-is-40cl/

Sam Kade

Jaysus Christ. wrote: »

whinging dairy farmers. They were overpaid since quotas got introduced. Gravy train is running out of track.

Greedy b@stards them dairy farmers :rolleyes:

Buford T. Justice XIX

whelan2 wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/new-report-shows-cost-of-liquid-milk-production-is-40cl/

That's a silly figure....sure they're probably paying a farmer for his labour from that:pac:

whelan2

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

That's a silly figure....sure they're probably paying a farmer for his labour from that:pac:

Yeah ridiculous. Who pays themselves for working