nav[aria-label="Primary Navigation"] { padding: 0; & ul { list-style: none; width: 100%; display: flex; flex-direction: row; justify-content: start; align-items: start; gap: 30px; padding: 0; & li { margin: 0; } & ul li { list-style: none; } } }

Child Item

Eircode - its implemetation (merged)

beveragelady

I called An Post today to try to sort out a problem with deliveries. The customer service chap was very helpful and I think it all got sorted.
The thing is, I tried to give him my Eircode because I live at a vague rural address but he said that they're not using them because the system isn't set up.
Amazed!
It's bad enough that they're no good to users of satnavs or google maps, but this is just astonishing. Can anybody explain how this could have been launched to such fanfare when it's all but meaningless?

Find more posts tagged with

Quick Links

Comments

gizmo555

ukoda wrote: »

You're missing the point. The code HASNT changed. This was all available to them at launch.

Ok. Whatever. But if it was "available to them at launch", why is Autoaddress meeting with them now to discuss the development of something which is already available?

"Autoaddress, a member of the Capita Consortium chosen by the Department of Communications to design, develop and introduce Eircode, has recently met with companies in the transport industry to discuss the development of a Small Area Code (SAC) to facilitate deliveries."

ukoda

gizmo555 wrote: »

No, you have completely missed the point. Why don't you read the quote from the FTAI represntative again?

"Despite the fact that operators were impressed by SACs, they were frustrated that the company which rubbished the industry requirement for a structured/hierarchical code for over a year was now proposing a structured/hierarchical code."

You're missing the point. The code HASNT changed. This was all available to them at launch. SAC's were a feature of eircode from day 1. But you can believe the spin FTAI are putting on it to make themselves feel better if you want.

gizmo555

ukoda wrote: »

So basically they threw their toys out of the pram and refused to engage and find out about the code. Now that they have, it's exactly what they want. So they wasted nearly a year in ignorance

No, you have completely missed the point. Why don't you read the quote from the FTAI represntative again?

"Despite the fact that operators were impressed by SACs, they were frustrated that the company which rubbished the industry requirement for a structured/hierarchical code for over a year was now proposing a structured/hierarchical code."

ukoda

So basically they threw their toys out of the pram and refused to engage and find out about the code. Now that they have, it's exactly what they want. So they wasted nearly a year in ignorance

gizmo555

Autoaddress, a member of the Capita Consortium chosen by the Department of Communications to design, develop and introduce Eircode, has recently met with companies in the transport industry to discuss the development of a Small Area Code (SAC) to facilitate deliveries.

Eircode’s controversial design, which sees random codes assigned to individual houses, was criticised by courier companies and digital rights advocates prior to its introduction last year.

The Freight Transport Association of Ireland (FTAI) said Eircode adds time and cost to courier companies’ deliveries instead of providing the savings promised.

Companies such as FedEx, UPS and DHL had previously told the Oireachtas Committee on Communications that they would not use Eircode because of its design.

The FTAI, which represents many of these companies, told the committee that Eircode was ‘useless’ to its members. It urged the adoption of a structured postcode that would establish areas whose codes run sequentially, such as the postcode being used in the UK.

However despite this, the Department of Communications went ahead with the randomised design. Last year the Comptroller and Auditor General said the cost of implementing Eircode came in at €38m and that “it is not clear that benefits to the value projected will be achieved as a result of the implementation of Eircode”.

Autoaddress has since met with companies to discuss the new SAC, which bears similarities to the type of postcode used in the UK, and FTAI general manager Neil McDonnell said his members were “very impressed” with the proposal.

“Indeed one of the attendees at the briefing was consulted as an operator by the National Postcodes Project Board (NPPB) in 2006, and the SAC proposal was in line with what operators thought they were going to get 10 years ago.

“Despite the fact that operators were impressed by SACs, they were frustrated that the company which rubbished the industry requirement for a structured/hierarchical code for over a year was now proposing a structured/hierarchical code,” Mr McDonnell said.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/eircode-alternative-is-not-on-offer-to-courier-industry-401009.html

MBSnr

BailMeOut wrote: »

So this morning Fastway arrived out of the blue at my door with an Amazon package and no phone call. I am deadly serious when I say that this have never happened before and am hoping it was the eircode.

Maybe... Maybe not! We tend to get the same Fastway driver deliver around our area... He phoned once and hasn't had to since as he knows the name and house.

ukoda

BailMeOut wrote: »

progress (I think!)

Other than from An Post I have NEVER had a package delivered to my house without the courier having to call for turn by turn directions first. I purposely avoid ordering anything that does not deliver using normal post as it can take 20-30 mins of me on a phone with a driver directing them to my house. I use my eircode on everything and under delivery instructions always type - "please do not call me - the eircode will direct you right to my front door".

So this morning Fastway arrived out of the blue at my door with an Amazon package and no phone call. I am deadly serious when I say that this have never happened before and am hoping it was the eircode.

They are one of the couriers who said they'd use it. Looks like they have done it now

https://twitter.com/autoaddress/status/691576390970376192

BailMeOut

progress (I think!)

Other than from An Post I have NEVER had a package delivered to my house without the courier having to call for turn by turn directions first. I purposely avoid ordering anything that does not deliver using normal post as it can take 20-30 mins of me on a phone with a driver directing them to my house. I use my eircode on everything and under delivery instructions always type - "please do not call me - the eircode will direct you right to my front door".

So this morning Fastway arrived out of the blue at my door with an Amazon package and no phone call. I am deadly serious when I say that this have never happened before and am hoping it was the eircode.

Niemoj

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The eircode is based on the post town, it does not change your address, I live in Co. Roscommon, but the post town is Athlone in Westmeath.

So I use my Roscommon address with the eircode, no problems.
Using the eircode ensures the mail goes to the correct post town for sorting, before eircodes the mail sometimes went wesht before returning to Athlone to be sorted.

Carlow handles the post for a lot of what is technically a different county but I write my address as Carlow, if i go to the eircode site it ends in Carlow, it was only on the SUSI site that it suddenly said Laois so I just entered my address manually instead.

[Deleted User]

Niemoj wrote: »

I do use it but I didn't when applying to SUSI as it changed the county to Laois when I added it even though I live in Carlow!

The eircode is based on the post town, it does not change your address, I live in Co. Roscommon, but the post town is Athlone in Westmeath.

So I use my Roscommon address with the eircode, no problems.
Using the eircode ensures the mail goes to the correct post town for sorting, before eircodes the mail sometimes went wesht before returning to Athlone to be sorted.

Niemoj

Every bit of post I'm getting from An Post seem to all have a stamp on it saying "Remember to use your EIRCODE"

I do use it but I didn't when applying to SUSI as it changed the county to Laois when I added it even though I live in Carlow!

larchill

Autoaddress came up on my Android tablet the other day via my Facebook account! Have it installed now

MBSnr

Heard one instance of the Gardaí asking for the rural property owners eircode after being called out for a (false) panic alarm. The owner didn't know it offhand so they didn't record it. Guess perhaps they are starting to use it for this sort of thing.

PeterHughes

They finally got the autoaddress app on iOS

Great use of Eircodes, used the get directions and displayed route options on Apple maps, perfect for navigating. How long before joe public starts realising that Eircodes can do this sort of thing, especially this part of Wicklow where everyone has the same address and ever second family is called Byrne!

https://app.autoaddress.ie/

Still can't find a desktop version, though.

And found this about the delivery codes, explains it better than the app - https://www.autoaddress.ie/blog/autoaddressblog/2016/03/01/delivery-zones---small-area-labelling-principles

Bray Head

larchill wrote: »

It has to do with the Postal Town which An Posts mail sorting equipment uses for sorting mail. In Dublin, the Postal District (Dublin 1, 2, 3, ... etc) performs the same purpose. You still need to keep the Dublin 1, 2, 3, ...

I've omitted the Dublin X part and have had no problem with deliveries.

L1011

Driving licence replacement form had a non compulsory box for an eircode - wonder will it actually be used on the delivered licence

12Phase

In other words, it's a complete kludge of a system that's requiring customers to do something unintuitive and will result in errors.

Obviously people will drop the Dublin X numbers thinking they're now part of the Eircode.

larchill

It has to do with the Postal Town which An Posts mail sorting equipment uses for sorting mail. In Dublin, the Postal District (Dublin 1, 2, 3, ... etc) performs the same purpose. You still need to keep the Dublin 1, 2, 3, ...

TheChizler

It might have been said already but I think you're meant to keep the "Dublin 7" bit, as the Eircode is meant to be used in addition to the existing address. Not sure why that would make a difference but I think I saw that one here somewhere before.

12Phase

Dave_Dublin wrote: »

I'm having a problem with deliveries since the Eircodes were introduced.

I added the Eircode to my address instead of "Dublin 7" since the code starts "D07" and I've been waited nearly 4 weeks for something that should've been here in 4 days!

The order was in 4 identical boxes with the same exact address on each in the same position on each box.

Box #1 arrived in 4 days; box #2 arrived the following day but box #3 took THREE WEEKS to arrive and when it did, it had
"IMPORTANT : Delay caused by incorrect postal address" labels all over it -- one would've sufficed.

The final box has still not arrived.

I contacted An Post via their website on Wednesday last but I have not yet received a response.

My address is in the format :

XXX Road Name
Dublin
D07 XXXX

--- Previously it would've been always :

XXX Road Name
Dublin 7

You'd really want to go out of your way to not realise that :

XXX Road
Dublin
D07 X1Y2

Is the same as:

XXX Road
Dublin 7

gctest50

BailMeOut wrote: »

..........
One very simple rural scenario where Eircode could be so useful is home heating oil deliveries.

An Oil Watchman Anywhere + Eircodes would make it easier to plan deliveries

https://www.tanks.ie/oil-tanks/oil-tank-security/watchman-anywhere.html

BailMeOut

ongarboy wrote: »

Does anyone expect usage of the Eircode to climb by any significant degree in the near future?

for rural no question that Eircode will be adapted slowly but surely. If you do not live in a housing estate with easy to find address it is a complete nightmare getting anything delivered in the country. The key to its usage and adoption however is with the businesses who deliver things as there are so many great uses of it that depend on IT upgrades.

One very simple rural scenario where Eircode could be so useful is home heating oil deliveries.

ongarboy

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/outgoing-an-post-chief-predicts-ongoing-fall-in-post-volumes-1.2631588

Noted in this article that Eircode usage across Ireland remains at less than 10% of postal users. Was such low take up at this point post implementation envisaged? Being honest, I've never used it myself yet and certainly wouldn't be able to recite my code from memory. Does anyone expect usage of the Eircode to climb by any significant degree in the near future?

plodder

ukoda wrote: »

I'm struggling to know how it's free, they must be absorbing the cost of greater than 15 look ups themselves.

It does look quite useful, but if you look at the T&Cs they can change them at any time and start charging or whatever. But, it's hard to see how this usage of the ECAD fits with the licensing terms that were published last year. It isn't really a "provider" who is supposed to keep track of its end users, nor is it an end user, who is only allowed to use it internally and not provide any kind of value added service. This is the trouble with complicated licenses that don't envisage all the possible uses that can be made of something.

BailMeOut

that Autoaddress app is really good.

how handy is that going to be.

Do they have a desktop (browser) version?

moyners

ukoda wrote: »

I'm struggling to know how it's free, they must be absorbing the cost of greater than 15 look ups themselves.

Perhaps they're taking the position that their reputation lives or dies by how well Eircode is utilised and this is one way to prove it works?

I see they replied to one reviewer that they will block suspected bots.

ukoda

moyners wrote: »

The Autoaddress app is now available for android. Just been playing around with it and I'm quite impressed. It lets you save eircodes/addresses which you can pass to a satnav app when out of mobile coverage. There's no restrictions on look ups either.

I'm struggling to know how it's free, they must be absorbing the cost of greater than 15 look ups themselves.

moyners

The Autoaddress app is now available for android. Just been playing around with it and I'm quite impressed. It lets you save eircodes/addresses which you can pass to a satnav app when out of mobile coverage. There's no restrictions on look ups either.

[Deleted User]

I suspect that many businesses are only adding eircodes to their addressing systems when they routinely update them, rather than as a special one-off task.

12Phase

The Apple online store recently coughed up my eircode when setting up a delivery.