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Star Wars: The Force Awakens [ SPOILERS FROM POST 4472 ONWARD ]

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Disney says "Star Wars" episode seven will come out in 2015.

Just breaking atm.

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Disney says the Lucasfilm deal would be "dilutive" (cut) its per-share profit in 2013, 2014, and "accretive" (add) to profit in 2015.

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david75

Rian Johnson is also writing 8 and 9 as well as directing 8. I have a whole lot more faith in him that I do Trevrow or whatever his name is. Jurassic world didn't cut it at all.

johnny_ultimate

'Other guy' aka Rian Johnson has established himself, over three films (and a TV series) of increasingly larger scale as somebody capable of telling genre stories with genuine flair and unique twists. He's properly scaled up in his career, as opposed to the unfortunate recent trend of granting young, inexperienced directors the keys to AAA franchises which has yet to pay any real dividends (Treverrow, Gareth Edwards, Josh Trank). I would hope the more gradual progression of Johnson's career to date will manifest itself in a more confident Episode VIII than it would have been with a different director.

I rewatched Looper again recently, and it filled me with quite a bit of confidence about Johnson's suitability for Star Wars (having previously thought he would have been better off sticking with original features). Looper's a great example of taking a grand, potentially dense sci-Fi concept but not getting weighed down by it. Instead it's honed down to a surprisingly intimate, character driven story that works in harmony with the more epic tale playing out in both the foreground and background. That's precisely what's needed in Episode VIII IMO. The Star Wars universe is vast, but it's always been at its best when focusing on a handful of characters and their place in it. If the sort of storytelling philosophy seen in Looper (and of course Brick and Brothers Bloom too) can be carried over without getting jumbled up in the demands of a franchise blockbuster, Johnson certainly has the capability of turning in something special. He's the boldest, most intriguing choice of director for any Star Wars film yet, a welcome change of pace from the safe hands of Abrams.

Episode IX, of course, I'm far less optimistic about :pac:

Chain Smoker

NIMAN wrote: »

Can I ask all you SW experts a question re: VIII?

I was looking at the images of the 'stars' coming into Belfast for the filming down my neck of the woods this weekend just passed, and I seen Luke, Rey and Kylo and this other guy. I had never seen him before and later found out he was the director!

I had to look him up in IMDB and his record to date isn't exactly filled with big films or anything, so my big question is what has he done to be granted the prestige of directing SW 8 & 9?

He's only directing 8, and considering Colin Trevorrow (Jurassic World) is directing 9, I dunno if he's the one you should be asking questions about.

He's technically very solid (check out his Breaking Bad episodes, even) and definitely has it in him to make something really good, more so than Abrams. So far his only done original projects, and imo, despite them all being fairly solid works, he's the kind of guy who could benefit hugely from having some restraints.
I'm a big supporter of hiring Johnson, haven't been a big fan of his previous films but he's the kind of guy who could make something genuinely special here.

Trevorrow, on the other hand, done a very nice semi-indie flick but has failed to prove himself in any way at all yet.

NIMAN

Can I ask all you SW experts a question re: VIII?

I was looking at the images of the 'stars' coming into Belfast for the filming down my neck of the woods this weekend just passed, and I seen Luke, Rey and Kylo and this other guy. I had never seen him before and later found out he was the director!

I had to look him up in IMDB and his record to date isn't exactly filled with big films or anything, so my big question is what has he done to be granted the prestige of directing SW 8 & 9?

Tony EH

That was me and it still isn't convincing I'm afraid.

His whole character is silly though. He's supposed to be kidnapped by the First Order as a child, which means that the First Order has been around over 20 years?

He then spends his entire life serving as a Stormtrooper in a highly regimented and extremely rigid military system, knowing nothing else but that system.

But, his "first" mission was on Jakku? A mission where he sees civvies getting killed by his mates and it makes him chuck a wobbler and freak out?

What the hell did he think the First Order was about for the previous 20 years? What was HE doing for the last 20 years. He can't have been on toilet detail for 2 decades.

The whole thing is ridiculous and very ill thought out. He's easily the weakest character in film.

I know it's a bit silly dissecting films such as Star Wars, but it's the little details that count toward maintaining a believable character in a believable world and the Finn character fails.

That character is a wasted opportunity too. He should have been far more serious and very conflicted, given what we know of his past. His realisation of what the First Order were about and his turning to the resistance should have had more of an oomph. But what happens is that he sees Stormtrooper Steve die and a few civilians get killed, he flips out, takes off his helmet and starts cracking jokes.

This isn't a go at John Boyega. He does ok with what he's got. It's more to do with the writing and direction. He's simply there for unneeded comic relief, because these days it has to be jammed into everything. And frankly, that kind of stuff is best left to Han and Chewie.

david75

Just thinking about what someone said earlier about Finn and buffoonery. If you think about it, he's lived in a military situation his whole life and isn't a clone. So he finally gets to relax and be unregimented and be himself for the first time.

Just a thought.

david75

It wasn't the industry screwed him up. It was years of abuse from Star Wars fans, both on the street and online and just in his everyday life..

Theboinkmaster

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

That's really sad, this industry can really **** up child actors

George Lucas should give the family some cash to get him treated right.

cowboyBuilder

Falthyron wrote: »

An institution for people with mental health problems, actually. He suffered some sort of a mental break down recently.

That's really sad, this industry can really **** up child actors

homerun_homer

david75 wrote: »

Lucasfilm just launched the star wars show channel on youtube..first episode has that deleted scene of Mazs place...its gonna be a weekly thing.
http://makingstarwars.net/2016/05/the-star-wars-show-1-debuts-deleted-the-force-awakens-footage-and-more/

That's not a deleted scene, that's just footage from in her boozer. When I read this I thought I missed something from watching it. When I hear of deleted scene from Maz's place I think of the Stormtroopers breaking in and her using force powers to lift debris and take them on.

david75

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

My kids have seen Star Wars IV to VII but I will not let them watch the 3 prequels because they are utter rubbish and will ruin their Star Wars buzz

If they love start wars, both animated series the clone wars and star wars rebels are both excellent.

Tony EH

This years 'Father of the Year' award goes to...

Baggy Trousers

My kids have seen Star Wars IV to VII but I will not let them watch the 3 prequels because they are utter rubbish and will ruin their Star Wars buzz

Falthyron

Tony EH wrote: »

Speaking of the boy, I heard the other day that the actor who played him is in jail?

An institution for people with mental health problems, actually. He suffered some sort of a mental break down recently.

Tony EH

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I wouldn't say that poster is a hole in fairness. It's exactly what you would say under the circumstances if you were Obi Wan

No really. He could simply have said that it was his fathers lightsaber and that Luke might as well own it now. No need to mention anything about him wanting his son, who he didn't even know existed, to have it.

It's just exemplary of the problems with retconning a series that's already established itself.

Tony EH

J Mysterio wrote: »

Whadya mean we didnt need Qui Gon?

Completely surplus to requirements. He's a decent character and Neeson is probably the best thing in the film. But, he's just not needed.

The trilogy should simply focus on Skywalker and Kenobi, ending with Anakin with fully comitted to the Sith by his late 30's and the beginning of the Empire.

Showing him as a boy, who is essentially Space Jesus was fukin stupid to say the least. Not to mention the sheer idiocy of what the boy actually did in 'The Phantom Menace'.

Mind numbing stuff.

Speaking of the boy, I heard the other day that the actor who played him is in jail?

The Golden Miller

Tony EH wrote: »

Gas.

There's just so many things wrong with the timeline caused by those prequels. Serously, I just cannot include them in any Star Wars canon. For me Star Wars has to begin with Star Wars, or else it doesn't make any bloody sense.

I wouldn't say that poster is a hole in fairness. It's exactly what you would say under the circumstances if you were Obi Wan

J Mysterio

Tony EH wrote: »

Some moments and they actually do have a few ideas in there.

But they are terrible, terrible films. The first two are just unwatchable, they're so stupid and the third only finds it balls in the last reel.

That trilogy should have been a dark as fook and merely concentrated on Kenobi and Anakin. We didn't need Qui gon Jin, the kid, miracle births, midichlorians, Jar Jar, dying of a broken heart, boba fett or any other of the thousand miss steps that George took.

The prequels could have worked, all the ingrdients were there.

Whadya mean we didnt need Qui Gon?

david75

Lucasfilm just launched the star wars show channel on youtube..first episode has that deleted scene of Mazs place...its gonna be a weekly thing.
http://makingstarwars.net/2016/05/the-star-wars-show-1-debuts-deleted-the-force-awakens-footage-and-more/

Conall Cernach

homerun_homer wrote: »

Giving out about the amount of time Rey had with Han is the equivalent of giving out about Luke's amount of time with Obi Wan. And generally plot holes are in all the movies so I don't think episode VII should be seen as being weak because of it.

Not quite. Who knows how long it took for Luke and Ben to get to Mos Eisley? Who knows how long that hyperspace jump took to Alderaan? At least there is the impression that some non screen time has passed.

Whereas with Han, Rey and Finn its: hi there, arrgh! monsters!, into the Falcon! howya Maz, Arrgh! Stormtroopers! they got Rey! it's the Resistance, hi everyone at Resistance base, fly to planet weapon place, hi Rey, oh no I've been killed.

Tony EH

Some moments and they actually do have a few ideas in there.

But they are terrible, terrible films. The first two are just unwatchable, they're so stupid and the third only finds it balls in the last reel.

That trilogy should have been a dark as fook and merely concentrated on Kenobi and Anakin. We didn't need Qui gon Jin, the kid, miracle births, midichlorians, Jar Jar, dying of a broken heart, boba fett or any other of the thousand miss steps that George took.

The prequels could have worked, all the ingrdients were there.

cowboyBuilder

Tony EH wrote: »

Gas.

There's just so many things wrong with the timeline caused by those prequels. Serously, I just cannot include them in any Star Wars canon. For me Star Wars has to begin with Star Wars, or else it doesn't make any bloody sense.

People give out about the prequels, but they have their moments.

Tony EH

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Gas.

There's just so many things wrong with the timeline caused by those prequels. Serously, I just cannot include them in any Star Wars canon. For me Star Wars has to begin with Star Wars, or else it doesn't make any bloody sense.

david75

theres a clip out there called something like 'the lies of obi wan' its a great watch..shows that first convo with Luke and cuts back to what actually happens..

cowboyBuilder

Tony EH wrote: »

.... which is good in a lot of ways as a good portion of that stuff was absolutely dire.

I think there's a story about this lad...

...and he's supposed to be "strong with the force." He blows himself up when he gets picked over R2-D2 on Tatooine, because he knows that R2 is destined for better things.

Jesus christ... :rolleyes:

!!! I found that a lot funnier than I should have !

anyway , I saw this the other day too .. made me chuckle :

Tony EH

I've only read a couple of the expanded universe novels, 'Splinter in the Mind's Eye' and one of the Timothy Zann books (probably a Thrawn one) I can't remember a single thing about either of them. It wasn't ever a thing that got me if you know what I mean.

Disney have thrown all of it out the window now though, which is good in a lot of ways as a good portion of that stuff was absolutely dire.

I think there's a story about this lad...

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...and he's supposed to be "strong with the force." He blows himself up when he gets picked over R2-D2 on Tatooine, because he knows that R2 is destined for better things.

Jesus christ... :rolleyes:

david75

Tony EH wrote: »

Well, I never saw Yoda as the star of the show, tbh, but the film centres on Luke and him for a good 30 minutes or so. So, if he didn't work, that would have meant recasting at the very least.

If the muppet didn't work, they probably would have just got a guy in to do the scenes with Hammil. The nature of Yoda was a mystery until Luke got to Dagobah. He could have been another old lad like Ben.

reading the Thrawn trilogy at the moment and Luke returns to Dagobah hoping to find artefacts Yoda may have left behind..it's a good book.

josh_96

Looking forward to see what happens in episode 8 regards rey training to become a jedi and finding out more about her past.

Tony EH

Well, I never saw Yoda as the star of the show, tbh, but the film centres on Luke and him for a good 30 minutes or so. So, if he didn't work, that would have meant recasting at the very least.

If the muppet didn't work, they probably would have just got a guy in to do the scenes with Hammil. The nature of Yoda was a mystery until Luke got to Dagobah. He could have been another old lad like Ben.

david75

Yoda is the star of that film..so easily could have went wrong but Oz brought magic to it..