FTA69 wrote: » My missus is black Caribbean and unfortunately the only real prejudice we encounter as a mixed race couple comes from old African women; some of whom can be beyond rude to the point it's almost comical.
schaffer wrote: » Should I have defended him more publicly and risked the wrath of the other handful of scumbags sitting nearby.
Walter H Price wrote: » I got clap from a few people in the carriage
FTA69 wrote: » Dr Crayfish wrote: » I don't think so, in Ireland anyway. It's more the "underclass" who have a problem because they think they're taking all the stuff they should be entitled to. Immigrants taking low skilled jobs or even benefits wont really have any impact on a well off person, but someone less well off could lay the blame for their problems on outsiders. Nonsense. I worked as a bouncer in Ireland for years and the despicable sh*te I've seen of people of all classes come out with would make anyone cringe. I've seen private-school educated rugger buggers stand outside Fast Als in Cork and pull shanty eyed faces at the Chinese lad behind the counter; not to mention some of the absolute putrid rubbish some door and bar staff were subjected to by well-heeled people in professional jobs who were more than capable of pouring out streams of invective about "stupid f*cking Poles" or "black bastards" while wound up about something and full of drink. A lot of the more thicker stuff I've heard in Ireland came from strong farmer types as well who would lose their f*cking life if their child or brother or whatever married someone of a different race. Racism in Ireland isn't just about Anto from the flats and you're engaging in a different sort of prejudice yourself if you think it is.
Dr Crayfish wrote: » I don't think so, in Ireland anyway. It's more the "underclass" who have a problem because they think they're taking all the stuff they should be entitled to. Immigrants taking low skilled jobs or even benefits wont really have any impact on a well off person, but someone less well off could lay the blame for their problems on outsiders.
RDM_83 again wrote: » The fact your mention "stupid poles" who are culturally and physically pretty similar to us in your post indicates your conflating anti-migrant/xenophobic and class based predjucice as racism. Those anti-islam protests in Dublin had a Eastern-Europeans in them, the violent counter protesters were mainly white irish, does that mean the counter protesters are the racists? People label anything as racist because it carries more weight, if a black lad for from the flats in Peckham and a white English guy from the same area get sneered at by some city boy is either one worse, impact is the same and the reasoning behind it is the same?
cowboyBuilder wrote: » Actually here in Spain it's perfectly "acceptable" to act this way - I remember a few years ago at the Barcelona F1 some Alonso fans had blacked up and were acting like monkeys slagging Hamilton. Totally unacceptable and should have been banned for life from any F1 events. The media here could not understand the outrage this caused, I was in work and managers were asking me as an "English" guy to explain what was wrong with it - they genuinely thought it was just a bit of banter.
Tombo2001 wrote: » RDM_83 again wrote: » The fact your mention "stupid poles" who are culturally and physically pretty similar to us in your post indicates your conflating anti-migrant/xenophobic and class based predjucice as racism. Those anti-islam protests in Dublin had a Eastern-Europeans in them, the violent counter protesters were mainly white irish, does that mean the counter protesters are the racists? People label anything as racist because it carries more weight, if a black lad for from the flats in Peckham and a white English guy from the same area get sneered at by some city boy is either one worse, impact is the same and the reasoning behind it is the same? The guy didn't say : here is a list of racist behaviour I have seen. He said here is a list of the 'despicable sh*te' he'd seen.
wakka12 wrote: » The point is theyre just horrible people who will pick out any unique-ish trait about somebody and use it to insult them. Yes it was racist but what he's saying is that they would have said horrible things to the inspector regardless of whether he was non white, he just happened to be black and they picked on that. As for my story, I was on the luas the other day and this group of spanish students (well mediterrean looking so I assume..) about 11 or 12 year olds sitting at one of the stations all started pointing at a black guy sitting in front of me on the train and laughing and pulling faces which I thought were supposed to look like monkey faces and a few of them put up their middle finger at him. He was just reading his book and they started doing it when he looked at them. I assume it was racism as I and about 4 other white people were standing around him and it was directed solly at him. He didnt react, just looked back down at his book
Dr Crayfish wrote: » I know immigration is relatively new to Ireland but I've never seen racist abuse hurled at asians and black people anywhere else in the world I've been to. In saying that it has always been uneducated scumbag types doing this. Some acquaintances of mine would be dropping N bombs when talking about black people and I always see people avoiding black taxi drivers in the city centre. It will probably fade out over time as people get more used to non white Irish in the country. I wouldn't like to be black in this country right now though.
BunkMoreland wrote: » "Racist twats" "racist bastards" I don't know why people get so angry about racisim that's not happening to them. Why do you care?
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » A Co worker now friend ( dark skin ) and myself were walking down Street in Belgrade back around 2006 Anyway couple of lads hurl abuse ( the N word came, rest was in non English)at my Co Worker and flung Banana at us which hit me. He gets banana tells them he delighted they hit me and thanks for banana as he was Hungry. He still gets kick out of it. In fairness Belgrade ain't place be if your anything but Pale but best thing you can do is take the hit like I did.
Notavirus.exe wrote: » Telling someone to go back to their own country isn't racist?
schaffer wrote: » you're taking Irish jobs
Oink wrote: » As a cantankerous old baxtard, I have a zero-tolerance policy on this kind of sh!t. In the case of an assault for example I will block off O'Connell street with my car, I will block 3 feckin lanes of the M50 if I can, but people will NOT pass by and pretend nothing happened. If you don't do anything else about it you will wait and watch. There was a drunk on the bus a few weeks ago scaring the women. I was just WAITING for him to say the N word to the African lady, that he only mumbled. If he had, I can guarantee that the bus was stopping right there and then. F@cker.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Ya Right....
schaffer wrote: » Luas red line
schaffer wrote: » What is the best thing to do in future?
KingBrian2 wrote: » Can someone explain what they hell happened with the Manchester Utd coach and associated riot with West Ham? Was it racism or rivalry or what?
LDN_Irish wrote: » What makes you think racism was involved? I didn't see anything that implied that was a factor*. West Ham have always had one of the most active and notorious "firms" (dickheads) attached to them. You get a lot of far right attached to football hooliganism as well so there's no doubt a lot of racist West Ham hooligans. They did have a black leader for a while, Cass Penant, who's gone on to write a book about his experiences. *I haven't read much about it so it's possible I missed something so I am curious as to what made you consider racism as a factor, rather than run of the mill hooliganism.
FTA69 wrote: » RDM_83 again wrote: » The fact your mention "stupid poles" who are culturally and physically pretty similar to us in your post indicates your conflating anti-migrant/xenophobic and class based predjucice as racism. Those anti-islam protests in Dublin had a Eastern-Europeans in them, the violent counter protesters were mainly white irish, does that mean the counter protesters are the racists? People label anything as racist because it carries more weight, if a black lad for from the flats in Peckham and a white English guy from the same area get sneered at by some city boy is either one worse, impact is the same and the reasoning behind it is the same? First of all racism includes discrimination based on ethnicity and nationality. According to the UN: "Article 1 of the Convention defines "racial discrimination" as: ...any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.[23]" So yes, an Irish person calling someone a stupid Pole or telling someone f*ck off back to Lithuania etc etc is racism. By your logic calling someone a Paki etc isn't racism as Indians etc are Caucasians like us. You can engage in semantical cant around the word racism, but at the end of the day the examples I gave above are driven by the same emotion i.e. prejudice and often hate. Likewise, forms of prejudice along class, national and ethnic lines are often linked and related. For instance much of the anti-Irish sentiment in Britain was linked with the fact that Irish people tended to occupy a lower class economically and were limited to certain jobs which traditionally had less status.
