Geogregor wrote: » Would you seriously consider commuting around 100km each way every day (I'm assuming you mean from city of Cork to city of Limerick)? That's insane, even with motorway. Not worth the stress, fuel, CO2 emission and time.
Geogregor wrote: » Would you seriously consider commuting around 100km each way every day That's insane, even with motorway.
xabi wrote: » A 1 hour commute, nothing insane about that.
Geogregor wrote: » Sure, in a big city where there is often no choice (due to for example to cost of living centrally). But driving across miles upon miles of empty countryside from one mid sized city to another one is insane in my opinion. Why not move to that other city? Or even to some small town between them, or to the countryside?
Bray Head wrote: » I was looking at a map. There is plenty of spare capacity on the M8 north of Glanmire. It then runs north about 40% of the way to Limerick, albeit well east of the existing M20. If you want to connect Cork and Limerick cities is it not cheapest to simply to build a spur from just west of Mitchelstown north west to around Croom?
hans aus dtschl wrote: » I asked this question myself many many pages back and was told it had been discussed in detail. To recap the main points: - Mountains needing tunnels, making it cost prohibitive - The traffic volumes on the N20 proving M20 necessity are not created by the endpoints, but by the interim users (people coming on at Mallow, Buttevant, Charleville are by far the largest traffic volume using the existing road) There were other reasons too. Your suggestion isn't wrong, and a lot of people go that route right now, through the Galtees on small dangerous roads, because it's faster than the N20.But the long and the short of it is M20 is the correct way to go.
zulutango wrote: » I still don't buy that. The reasons against the alternative route are weak enough when set against the prospect of linking the urban centres of Limerick, Cork, Waterford and the southeast. That would be far more beneficial than just linking Limerick and Cork. We're transfixed on the M20 being the solution simply because most of us are used the the hell that is the N20 and want no more of that, but from a long-term transport planning point of view it's not the right decision, imo.
zulutango wrote: » The reasons against the alternative route are weak enough when set against the prospect of linking the urban centres of Limerick, Cork, Waterford and the southeast.
marno21 wrote: » Here's the Feasability Study which explains with data why we will be building an M20 as opposed to a M513.http://www.corkrdo.ie/files/M20/FTG_Pre-feasability-Study/Pre-Feasibility%20Report%20Update%20FINAL%20%2003122008.pdf
Bray Head wrote: » Thanks. I'm not looking to re-start a debate. But it's interesting that everyone pretends that motorways are there to link cities with other cities. While in reality they are there to link towns with each other and the nearest city.
captainspeed wrote: » Hopefully now that the M20 is part of TEN-T that will speed it up. There's more of a chance of it being done now - in fact it might be the only way it will get done at all is because the EU will (eventually) force them to do it. They might even get some EU funding as they have for the M28 and M21/N69.
AugustusMinimus wrote: Could we set up a separate R513 thread please. It's like groundhog day in here with someone suggesting the alternative motorway every 2 months only to be shown why it's not a good idea.
zulutango wrote: » It keeps coming up because the case for building a motorway along the N20 instead of the R513 is weak enough. The strongest argument is that it's at a more advanced stage of planning, but that in itself isn't a great one when you're planning major infrastructure.
KerranJast wrote: » The strongest argument is cost: M20 costs €€€ M20 alternative + Mallow bypass + Mallow-Cork upgrade + Charleville bypass costs €€€€
marno21 wrote: » MOD: This thread from this moment on is for the advancement of the existing M20 thread along the Patrickswell to Blarney route shadowing the existing N20. All discussion on whether it should be along this corridor, or along the current R513 & M8 corridors is to be kept to this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057600214 This thread is now for discussing of progress on the M20 scheme only, not for discussing the merits of either route.
Deedsie wrote: » It's in the thread title, post 2338
Carnacalla wrote: » And how should a poster manage to find this mod warning, as in the example I used, of post 2338? Are they expected to trawl through pages to try find post 2338.
