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Red light cameras should be deployed at major junctions in city

Laviski

as per title this should be brought to this city,
government tight of funds? they would clean up if this was brought to Galway.

Journey to work and back during the week i see at least 30+ cars a day breaking red lights at major junctions, some of which think its acceptable to park in the middle of the junction which cause a chain reaction on the other routes and make the traffic situation worse.

as its being deployed in Dublin this should get rolled out.

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gctest50

youngrun wrote: »

Interesting paper here on costs/benefits speed and trafficlight cameras .hxxp://www.tcd.ie/Economics/msceps/courses/Economic%20Evaluation/8.%20CBA%20of%20speed%20cameras%20in%20UK.pdf

That's from 1996, it's children could be driving by now and get caught breaking a red light

bonzodog2

youngrun wrote: »

Interesting paper here on costs/benefits speed and trafficlight cameras .http://www.tcd.ie/Economics/msceps/courses/Economic%20Evaluation/8.%20CBA%20of%20speed%20cameras%20in%20UK.pdf

excerpt:

Traffic light cameras
– The average fixed cost per traffic light site was just over £9,200 and average recurrent costs were over
£5,600 per annum for each site
– 86% of the fixed costs for traffic light cameras were met by local authorities and the police service met
67% of recurrent costs. (Magistrates’ courts accounted for 25% of these recurrent costs.)
– The average number of traffic light prosecutions per site was 123 with an average cost per prosecution of
£46. (80% of these offences were dealt with by way of fixed penalty.)

newacc2015 wrote: »

They are about €35k a year to run alone. They arent cheap at all. €35k could hire a Gardai who could enforce traffic rules. People are doing dangerous things on the road, as they think they can get away with it. If there was actually Gardai enforcing the rules of the road, people obey them. Since they started to enforce the red light rule for cyclists in Dublin. I see less of them breaking red lights

Where's your 35K coming from?

newacc2015

biko wrote: »

There is definitely need for a camera at Liosban estate entrance.
I see people breaking red lights there just about every day.
The same for lights at Glenanail Drive, those people don't give a **** and will just enter traffic at will it seems.

They are about €35k a year to run alone. They arent cheap at all. €35k could hire a Gardai who could enforce traffic rules. People are doing dangerous things on the road, as they think they can get away with it. If there was actually Gardai enforcing the rules of the road, people obey them. Since they started to enforce the red light rule for cyclists in Dublin. I see less of them breaking red lights

youngrun

beardybrewer wrote: »

Sadly the council often creates the conditions which result in driver anger which leads to bad behaviour.

Not an excuse, but remember part blame is down to the lack of action resulting in our roads being clogged in the first place.

Not just that though people break red lights at all times of day they largely are just rushing
De clog the roads by
Using park and ride to factories on East and big employers eg uni on west . Airport and areas like church or g a a car parks to be used . More school buses ! Most people don't need their cars during day at work better off dropping it on route
Bike schemes in uni GMIT hospitals and big park more factories
These should be done right away

beardybrewer

Sadly the council often creates the conditions which result in driver anger which leads to bad behaviour.

Not an excuse, but remember part blame is down to the lack of action resulting in our roads being clogged in the first place.

youngrun

Interesting paper here on costs/benefits speed and trafficlight cameras .http://www.tcd.ie/Economics/msceps/courses/Economic%20Evaluation/8.%20CBA%20of%20speed%20cameras%20in%20UK.pdf

Mrs OBumble

youngrun wrote: »

Who has the power to decide if these should go in? Councillors based on a vote on a motion brought by one or more of them? or does the council executive determine . Well worth them looking at

What do we know about who pays for the cameras vs who gets the revenue from fines? I suspect that this is a key driver ... (pun intended!)

biko

Yes, someone should do something*

*not me though

youngrun

Who has the power to decide if these should go in? Councillors based on a vote on a motion brought by one or more of them? or does the council executive determine . Well worth them looking at

biko

There is definitely need for a camera at Liosban estate entrance.
I see people breaking red lights there just about every day.
The same for lights at Glenanail Drive, those people don't give a **** and will just enter traffic at will it seems.

youngrun

eezipc wrote: »

I've noticed that it's quite common for people to ignore the lights when coming out of Dunnes Westside.
Also, speed cameras on Quincentenary Bridge would be a lottery win for revenue.

Dunnes westside different rules apply ! Not just red light breaking but Loads park up blocking one lane thru car park and the amount of times cars cut out without bothering to look in car park and at exit is incredible and dangerous but they don't give a damn .
Red light cameras and points are essential in my view its so common now all over town and is dangerous driving behaviour people need to be forced to cop on

eezipc

I've noticed that it's quite common for people to ignore the lights when coming out of Dunnes Westside.
Also, speed cameras on Quincentenary Bridge would be a lottery win for revenue.

the_sonandmoon

gordongekko wrote: »

I've been caught there myself normally becausea bus has difficulty making the corner but once you have passed the stop line you are supposed to keep going.

This is a really tricky junction. Often cars turning (left from Francis Street, or right from Waterside) onto the road towards the Salmon Weir/Newtownsmith (not sure what this road is called, is it still the Headford Rd?), they meet the lights along this road, which will be red (for the Headford Rd traffic), and they interpret that they have to stop, thus backing up traffic behind them. It is a regular x-junction, but to facilitate a pedestrian crossing further back towards the bridge, isn't treated as such.

So often the problem here is not so much people breaking a red light, but obeying a red light which doesn't apply to them.

Also, coming from the Salmon Weir, going straight to the headford road, you can clear the lights, pass the stop line, and travel 30-odd meters, before you reach the box junction, so drivers can find themselves in limbo, not knowing if they should keep going through the box junction (my pet peeve as it blocks the traffic from Waterside from moving at all), and hope they will clear it onto the Headford Road, or wait for the next round of lights, having already cleared their lights.

ben.schlomo

The power of Google!

https://www.google.ie/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=red%20light%20camera

bobbyss

What exactly are red light cameras? What do they do? How do they work?

gordongekko

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

Put them at the lights by the courthouse and they will be able to bring in basic income in the city. People are always coming around the corner as you cross.

I've been caught there myself normally becausea bus has difficulty making the corner but once you have passed the stop line you are supposed to keep going.

The Randy Riverbeast

Put them at the lights by the courthouse and they will be able to bring in basic income in the city. People are always coming around the corner as you cross.

fergiesfolly

what_traffic wrote: »

Why just €20 ? It would be min €80 and 2 penalty points if a Garda pulled one over on it.
http://garda.ie/Documents/User/Full%20List%20of%20Penalty%20Point%20Offences..pdf

Sure its €40 for a FPN if one breaks a red light on a bicycle.
http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=15488&Lang=1

Absolutely. The point I was making was more to do with the regularity at which it happens at that junction. The high volume of offenders alone would make it a goldmine.

gctest50

They need to install these yokes at some traffic lights

what_traffic

biko wrote: »

www.google.ie/search?q=red+light+camera+site:.ie

ah Ok thought you might have real knowledge on it. Policy doc's etc etc

what_traffic

fergiesfolly wrote: »

If they had it at the junction at the bottom of the Ballybane Rd, and charged €20 a pop, they'd make €100-€200 every sequence during morning traffic alone.

Why just €20 ? It would be min €80 and 2 penalty points if a Garda pulled one over on it.
http://garda.ie/Documents/User/Full%20List%20of%20Penalty%20Point%20Offences..pdf

Sure its €40 for a FPN if one breaks a red light on a bicycle.
http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=15488&Lang=1

fergiesfolly

If they had it at the junction at the bottom of the Ballybane Rd, and charged €20 a pop, they'd make €100-€200 every sequence during morning traffic alone.

biko

www.google.ie/search?q=red+light+camera+site:.ie

what_traffic

biko wrote: »

So far it seems to be in Dublin only

A red light camera was installed at Blackhall Place along the Luas Red Line in June and to Oct 2015 it had detected 155 breaking a red light.

Is this the only one in the whole country? or the only one you have heard about ?

fago

They could start at roscam lights. It's an open fast junction and I've seen at least one accident where a guy taking the red at speed couldn't take the right up to douighiska and ended up in the wall.

galah

This, and permanent speed cameras at crucial (not "fish in a barrell") points such as outside schools.

Would also welcome a proper review of speed limits adapted to the actual condition of the road rather than the classification (why is bothar na dreabh a 50 zone, for example? Or the tuam road outside the builders suppliers?); although i see that they replaced some of the more stupid speed limits on country roads with those white/black signs; it's a start.

Things civilised countries have implemented for a long long time...why is it so hard for this country to catch up with the rest of the world on the simplest things?

Your Face

Its a good idea. I see it a lot in the mornings.

biko

So far it seems to be in Dublin only

A red light camera was installed at Blackhall Place along the Luas Red Line in June and to Oct 2015 it had detected 155 breaking a red light.

what_traffic

Laviski wrote: »

as its being deployed in Dublin this should get rolled out.

Do you know if only in Dublin or have they been installed in other Regional Cities/Towns to date?

Diabhal Beag

You'd make minimum of a billion euro a year if you could fine people who break right lights coming off Lough Atalia/College Road heading for Dublin Road. So many times I see somebody blocking the Wellpack traffic in the yellow box. This absolutely has to come to Galway.