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new ICBF Proofs

bogman_bass

proofs are out but not available on bull search
Beef
http://www.icbf.com/?page_id=200

Dairy
http://www.icbf.com/?page_id=202

scroll down a bit for April 2014 proofs

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tanko

He's a new bull, that 4.5% figure means very little. I'd say it'll go a fair bit higher in a year or two. It's too risky on heifers I think, ZAG is probably the easiest calving limo NCBC have now and some of his calves can be big enough.

As Blue says, the condition of the heifers at calving is very important, if they're too fat they could have trouble with any bull.

blue5000

No experience of using him, but if they're fed properly before calving I think you'd be safe enough. What weight are they?

sako 85

I was thinking of using LM2214 on 3 Whitehead Heifers, they'll be 3 year old when calving. would lads think the 4.5% calving difficulty with only 40% Trait reliability is too risky?

Farrell

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I was looking at this earlier. Video of him also.
http://www.genesdiffusion.com/Charolais/Charolais-detail.aspx?n=FR7613879841

Had noticed the gene diffusion site before, see their bulls starting to be supplied in Irish AI

Canaryblue

Top ten replacement index bulls on the new Active Bull list

bogman_bass

whelan2 wrote: »

AI man was under the impression that there was one and it had been 50 cent and had been increased recently. Maybe it's some other levy

If its the guy I'm thinking of that lad would say mass!

patsy_mccabe

Canaryblue wrote: »

Zero calves in Ireland I should say, he's got 362 recorded in the French system.

I was looking at this earlier. Video of him also.
http://www.genesdiffusion.com/Charolais/Charolais-detail.aspx?n=FR7613879841

Canaryblue

Canaryblue wrote: »

Sure of course he's perfect, zero calves born and massive stats! What more would you want:P

Zero calves in Ireland I should say, he's got 362 recorded in the French system.

Canaryblue

tanko wrote: »

They've given him a calving difficulty of 3.3% and a carcase weight of 53kgs, he must be the perfect bull so :rolleyes:

Sure of course he's perfect, zero calves born and massive stats! What more would you want:P

patsy_mccabe

I went with OKH recently on a pedigree cow. A bit worried about ZCH calving figures at the time. Over 10% for a limousin is bad news.

tanko

Canaryblue wrote: »

The Charolais bull First (CH2216) has a terminal index of 202! We've two purebred cows in calf to him, hopefully he stays that high:D

They've given him a calving difficulty of 3.3% and a carcase weight of 53kgs, he must be the perfect bull so :rolleyes:

Calving difficulty for ZCH over 10% now:eek: and OKH over 7

Canaryblue

The Charolais bull First (CH2216) has a terminal index of 202! We've two purebred cows in calf to him, hopefully he stays that high:D

patsy_mccabe

Whoa, there's Proofs up now for May 2016.:rolleyes:

blue5000

greenpetrol wrote: »

norbrok laboratories need to come up with a drug to kill off all these parasites that are leaching off us farmers ! Something recommended for ! Ifa,icbf, teagasc advisers, glas advisers, something broadspec

you forgot bordbia, I'm sure there are more.
Eley laboratories already have::D

http://activehuntingireland.ie/eley-super-game-cartridges-no-6

greenpetrol

whelan2 wrote: »

AI man was under the impression that there was one and it had been 50 cent and had been increased recently. Maybe it's some other levy

norbrok laboratories need to come up with a drug to kill off all these parasites that are leaching off us farmers ! Something to eliminate Ifa,icbf, teagasc advisers, glas advisers, something broadspec

Bellview

ironically this proof is one of the key ones for the scheme - as the AI now .. these will be cows in 2019. this starts the question if you could challenge ICBF of a one year extension to meet the 50% criteria due to no information for this AI season

Sheep breeder

lads this scheme is like bog snorkling, they cant see a thing and are changing every couple of months on the stars in the sky results, all the guys in icbf must have sore necks looking upwards at the stars and trying to come up with a figure for a bull.
in fairness the looser in this is us guys the suckler man, we are the one to take the penalty in the pocket and the Ai and icbf are taking the money into their pocket.
it seems to me that icbf want us to use the dairy mans off spring and breed small handy cattle for uncle larry and the boys and no more export of cattle,
the kids reared some dairy cross bbx heifer calves and and turn out five star and high euro index, this is what we should be using according to the paperwork.

whelan2

bogman_bass wrote: »

No.

AI man was under the impression that there was one and it had been 50 cent and had been increased recently. Maybe it's some other levy

whelan2

Bellview wrote: »

Only the tags which last week I found out we can refuse to pay. My next order will be reduced by 18 cent a tag..

38 cent a set

Bellview

whelan2 wrote:

Do icbf get a levy off each insemination?

Only the tags which last week I found out we can refuse to pay. My next order will be reduced by 18 cent a tag..

bogman_bass

whelan2 wrote: »

Do icbf get a levy off each insemination?

No.

patsy_mccabe

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Thinking of bulling an ADX heifer here are they really that bad for milk?

Have 4 ADX heifers here. All of milky cows. All short of milk. In fact had 2 calve this year (one a cow) and not let down any milk at all after calving. Took a day for the milk to come. Both didn't drop the pins either before calving. Strange!

Bigbird1

Thinking of bulling an ADX heifer here are they really that bad for milk?

Genghis Cant

Farrell wrote: »

He only came available like allot of their new Bulls in the Autumn.
Say people are only starting to use them now.

I didn't notice that, but now you mention it you're right. I was always threatening to use his sire Creaga Dice. Anyway I chanced him on a Pb Charolais cow yesterday. We'll see what happens.

TITANIUM.

whelan2 wrote: »

Do icbf get a levy off each insemination?

That's a very good question!

whelan2

Do icbf get a levy off each insemination?

Farrell

Genghis Cant wrote: »

Anyone use the Shorthorn bull Lismacool Jerome S2169. Eurogene have him.

He only came available like allot of their new Bulls in the Autumn.
Say people are only starting to use them now.

oneten

tanko wrote: »

Is the famous APZ back up to five stars yet?

no move

Limestone Cowboy

tanko wrote: »

OEI ???

Had a few calves by him, mental!

tanko

Is the famous APZ back up to five stars yet?