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Clare GAA discussion thread

eroo

Thought I'd start this thread as haven't found one of the same.

So, 2010.. new decade... new beginnings? With the aim of the League being to get back into Division 1, could Clare also achieve success in Munster this year?

The fixtures for 2010:

31.01.2010 Waterford v Clare(Waterford Crystal Cup SF)

21.02.2010 Clare v Down (NHL)
28.02.2010 Laois v Clare (NHL)
14.03.2010 Clare v Wexford (NHL)
21.03.2010 Antrim v Clare (NHL)
28.03.2010 Carlow v Clare (NHL)
04.04.2010 Clare v Westmeath (NHL)
18.04.2010 Kildare v Clare (NHL)

07.06.2010 Waterford v Clare (MHC)

As well as a proposed friendly versus Cork, Ger O'Loughlin has a good load of matches to blood players from U-21's into the senior game. With the opponents in the League not posing a major threat some would argue Clare wont get as much preparation as Div 1 teams, but maybe it will give them an opportunity to focus on their strength and conditioning?

So, Clare face Waterford on Sunday at 2pm in Ballyduff Upper.. I think they should win against this weakened Waterford side, but I think it will be close tbh. But could Waterford topple us in the pre season tournament?

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niallo27

****en refs again. ****en disgrace. Double the frees given to Waterford.

Dyr

niallo27 wrote: »

****en refs again. ****en disgrace. Double the frees given to Waterford.

That's because Clare were fouling more, it's not like you have a set allocation of frees to share out.

niallo27

Bambi wrote: »

That's because Clare were fouling more, it's not like you have a set allocation of frees to share out.

What was the free at the end for. Where did he get a minute of injury time from.

Kristopherus

Bambi wrote: »

That's because Clare were fouling more, it's not like you have a set allocation of frees to share out.

No free at the end.:mad:.

Chrissybhoy

niallo27 wrote: »

What was the free at the end for. Where did he get a minute of injury time from.

Where did he get the 3 added in normal time ? Clare equalised from a free on the 73rd

Kristopherus

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Where did he get the 3 added in normal time ? Clare equalised from a free on the 73rd

Which was a free.

niallo27

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Where did he get the 3 added in normal time ? Clare equalised from a free on the 73rd

There was a few stoppages in fairness.

citykat

Didn't think the ref favoured Waterford. Clare were very lucky Waterford didn't have a free taker. At least 6 scoreable frees were hit wide.

mountgomery burns

The issue is Clare's tackling. Horgan left an awful lot go the last day. Gavin is renowned for not being whistle happy.

If it happens once it might be the ref, but if you're continuously giving away that many frees than the issue has a deeper root. But I think most Clare people are aware of that.

Keano

Bambi wrote: »

That's because Clare were fouling more, it's not like you have a set allocation of frees to share out.

No, Clare players like to tackle with their arms which is allowed. Gavin doesn't like that form of tackling!

Davys Fits

No point blaming the refs. Clare defenders have one instinct when beaten to a ball and that is to foul the player with the spare hand. It has cost us several games over the past few years and nearly another today. When are they going to learn?

Kavrocks

Keano wrote: »

No, Clare players like to take with their arms which is allowed.

Excuse my ignorance but what do you mean by take with their arms?

Keano

I should have said arms. Man is running at them and they wrap their arms around him to try get the ball. Some refs have no problem with that, others do!

Chrissybhoy

Kristopherus wrote: »

Which was a free.

Correct it was a def free

Chrissybhoy

niallo27 wrote: »

There was a few stoppages in fairness.

There was but I think there's more of am arguement than your arguement for the 1 min in extra time

Kavrocks

Keano wrote: »

I should have said arms. Man is running at them and they wrap their arms around him to try get the ball. Some refs have no problem with that, others do!

I don't see how you are trying to get the ball if you wrap your arms around somebody or how it isn't a foul. It's holding or obstructing the player which is a foul.

Keano

Got this from Sportsfile.

Dublin player is standing his ground...is that a free?
Clare tackle like that a lot.

Davys Fits

Yes this is a free. Where in the rule book does it say this is a tackle? The beauty of hurling over football is it has a defined tackle ie hooking and blocking. If you keep 2 hands on the hurl then yo wont give away a free.

keeponhurling

While I would have preferred a win, a replay isn't a bad outcome for Clare.

We have quite a few who haven't much hurling done due to injuries, who could do with another game, the likes of Tony Kelly, Podge, Shane O'D, Colin Ryan (did it look today like he was carrying a bit of weight?), Morey and so on.
Also not sure if any of Conor Ryan, David Mc, Conlon etc. can make an appearance.

Of course in the other side, Waterford probably welcome another game for Maurice or P. Mahony.

But nonetheless, another game for Clare might be beneficial.

Keano

Davys Fits wrote: »

Yes this is a free. Where in the rule book does it say this is a tackle? The beauty of hurling over football is it has a defined tackle ie hooking and blocking. If you keep 2 hands on the hurl then yo wont give away a free.

His arms are out. What can he do? Let him just pass?

Davys Fits

Keano wrote: »

His arms are out. What can he do? Let him just pass?

Are you saying you can stop a player passing by just putting your hands out? I think there is so much of this going on that it looks acceptable now.

keeponhurling

Keano wrote: »

No, Clare players like to tackle with their arms which is allowed. Gavin doesn't like that form of tackling!

Didn't Gavin ref the drawn All-Ireland in 2013 ? When he gave Cork some very dubious frees to keep them in the game.

The last free at the very end today certainly looked soft. He wouldn't exactly be Clare's favourite referee.

Keano

No I'm saying you can make yourself big but by the attacker dropping his shoulder it results in a free which isn't right.

Davys Fits

Yes the attacker dropping his shoulder is a clever way of making the defender look like hes challenging high. And in fairness we could never rid the game of the spare hand tackle but high tackles are definitely unacceptable and clares big defenders are being caught too bloody often.

mountgomery burns

keeponhurling wrote: »

Didn't Gavin ref the drawn All-Ireland in 2013 ? When he gave Cork some very dubious frees to keep them in the game.

The last free at the very end today certainly looked soft. He wouldn't exactly be Clare's favourite referee.

If we're going down that road another ref might have sent off Kelly. And then you would have lost today and be facing into the championship match without your best player. But it was a borderline one.

Either way, if either team is coming out of there thinking the ref had anything to do with them not winning the match then they are going nowhere this year.

Figerty

Davys Fits wrote: »

Are you saying you can stop a player passing by just putting your hands out? I think there is so much of this going on that it looks acceptable now.

The reality is that if the player going forward doesn't make some effort to evade the tackle then it's charging.
A defender standing his ground is different to wrapping the arms around the player. If the player defending gets sucked in to wraping their hand around the attacked then is a free.
A few years ago players would have had both hands on the hurleys to prevent the player coming at them, Referees then started giving frees against this, now it's wiser to open the arms and draw the attacker on to you.

carter10

Fellas giving out about a free and ignoring the fact Tony Kelly should have been sent off.....fairly selective there lads

Figerty

carter10 wrote: »

Fellas giving out about a free and ignoring the fact Tony Kelly should have been sent off.....fairly selective there lads

Kelly shouldn't have been sent off. There wasn't a deliberate striking action. It was silly, he got booked end of story. Referee saw it the same way.
When Kelly got levelled fairly, two minutes later he took it and got on with it.

Limestone Cowboy

carter10 wrote: »

Fellas giving out about a free and ignoring the fact Tony Kelly should have been sent off.....fairly selective there lads

Would have been a harsh enough red in fairness and I don't think it was fully intentional. When you compare it to the like of Johnny coen's tackle in the all Ireland last year and he only got a yellow even though he should have walked.

windy shepard henderson

gavin is a trigger happy ref , he probably was one of the reasons the game was so stop start , he offerred very little advantages but when he meets his peers at the weekly assment in croke park he will get plenty of pats in the back as he got most of his calls right

which is a terrible indictment on our fouling and most of it needless , were well on top on a number of occisions , at two or 3 times were 2 and 3 points up and allowed waterford back into the game via stupid frees , galvin buglerand dillion seemed to be the bigest culprits

there is no doubt connor mcgrath took us out of the fire as none of the starting half forward line had great days , the likes of podge , tony , and galvin all had below par days , changes between cunningham or duck for duggen should have happened but didnt as all 3 didnt enjoy there afternoon

at the back bugs and cleary were exposed at times , the sweeper system saved there bacon at times , it was'nt until the introduction of morey and browne that the half back line looked assured

felt after totts and colin ryans introduction we still hit long high balls down on small men (smaller then there markers anyway) david reidy and david fitz along with patch and oisin obrien were also oure best but we were along long way off our best yeaterday and maybe a change of tactic needed the next day