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Tom Clancy's The Division

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Seriously, how good does this game look!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiaRSuyQ7zA

Story trailer. Looks like it's based on the real 'Directive 51' law in the US about what the government will do in case of a major catastrophe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tat6BZqlyDo

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mossym

logged on last night to do the dailies. had never done either of the hard missions on hard, nor the power plant on challenging, so figured this was a good chance. thought i'd get through them and do a couple of runs on lexington . two hards were fine. matchmaked for the challenging. get on a team where i have the highest gearscore, which is not a good sign

what ensued was one of the best hours i've played in the game. power station on challenging is brutal, even more so on your first run through. but we slogged, and i mean slogged our way through it. all of us down multiple times. loads of revives. we released the main pressure valve with 5 seconds left on the timer after a last minute charge to clear the opposition as we realised how bad the time was getting. the boss with the two big guys ended up with two of the team dead and the other two of us taking the three on on our own as couldn't get to them. struggling to think of time put into the xbox i've enjoyed more in a long long time

took me 3 hours to sleep after it, was on the edge of my seat the whole time. was such a slog i was up much later than i planned without even once getting to run lexington.

the only crazy bit was one of the dead guys left the group when the other two of us only had the boss left to kill and he was down to half health. after spending an hour or more slogging through with us, he left 30 seconds before we got the phoenix credits.

OptimusTractor

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting http://www.inquisitr.com/3019172/ubisoft-wants-to-know-if-the-division-fans-would-be-interested-in-visiting-new-cities-time-periods-with-expansion-updates/

Ubi putting the feelers out for expansion locations and even time periods.

That reads like they want the game to take place as a sort of alternate Assassins Creed universe. Aaron Keener & co are the Templars. While JTF are the Brotherhood.

You could base future expansions to tie in with major disease outbreaks. Black Death, 1918 Flu Pandemic, Smallpox during the 18th Century, the Measles wipeout of the Inca civilisation etc.

They could even do an ECHO within the current game where the recent swine flu outbreak was a failed attempt.

My name is URL

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting http://www.inquisitr.com/3019172/ubisoft-wants-to-know-if-the-division-fans-would-be-interested-in-visiting-new-cities-time-periods-with-expansion-updates/

Ubi putting the feelers out for expansion locations and even time periods.

Time periods? LMAO, that has to be a piss take.

Although it'd be interesting to see what the US Government's JTF got up to in Renaissance Italy

Rikers vs Vikings?

Colonel Bliss origin story featuring Genghis Khan?

They might be on to something!

[Deleted User]

Interesting http://www.inquisitr.com/3019172/ubisoft-wants-to-know-if-the-division-fans-would-be-interested-in-visiting-new-cities-time-periods-with-expansion-updates/

Ubi putting the feelers out for expansion locations and even time periods.

_CreeD_

I definitely wasn't saying not to use RoF, I do on everything bar my Marksman rifle, just to make sure and pair it with a 2nd buff that helps with the ammo burn (extended being the most obvious). So if you have Crit and RoF on one item it would sound great but I think you'd run into issues.

When talking about crit damage I think of it as averaging out per-bullet, but yes you're right in it only applies to bullets that get the magic crit roll. I don't really think in terms of say +50% damage on a 50% chance, I aggregate mentally so it's likely boosting my damage by about 25% per-bullet - ingame DPS calcs be-damned

. Which also means 20% (25 as a % of 125 aggregate) less ammo spent for the same damage, so if I had to I'd balance that off against lower mag sizes/RoF etc. when working the build.

I still think folks focus too much on the ingame DPS counter. Other buffs such as skill haste are very useful, and include those that directly affect DPS like Pulse+Crit, but I don't think are factored into that calculation. But then seeing how we know they handle the calculations for Elite protection and likely Scavenging it's hard to know how they are doing it. All the more reason to mentally calculate it out yourself, then of course test.

Andrew76

_CreeD_ wrote: »

It depends. RoF is one of the most direct damage factors, it's a simple multiplier of all the other per-bullet damage characteristics so on the surface it's the most real-world dependable DPS boosters, vs. say that Crit Chance which obviously is variable. BUT, and this really effects SMGs imho, it can be counter productive if you have a low magazine size. Yes you will do more damage in a shorter time with High RoF, but you will be reloading more often and burning through ammo faster. Where as with the % crit you will do more damage per bullet, potentially reducing reloads and ammo use. It's a question of balance really. I will take high RoF with a large magazine size only, won't pair it with anything else. I leave Crit for the other components.

Interesting stuff. Yeah I always knew there was a trade off with RoF that I'd be burning through a mag quicker but the difference in DPS without it was too big not to use it imo. I must equip that mag onto my AK and see what effect it has.

On the highlighted part above - do you mean % crit dmg applies to every bullet? I thought it only applied to a critical hit?

So having a decent overall crit chance + crit dmg works well together but crit dmg on it's own doesn't have as big an influence?

Game does a piss poor attempt at explaining these things imo.

Jayop

Lincoln is now the easiest mission on challenge for most groups.

mossym

for sure. lincoln and lexington are pretty straight forward with a team that knows the drill. lexington probably easier if anything

will add you now. cheers

joe123

mossym wrote: »

how is it an exploit? don't the guys just follow you down and end up in the main area outside the tunnel anway? it's just reaching cover

Feel free to give me an add Mossy. GT: Kirk the dog.

The Lincoln Tunnel is definitely the easiest of CM's to run. Run down the side, shoot everyone from cover while running a healing mod station, smart cover/Pulse and you will eventually clear that longest section in the car park.

Run to the orange barrier and defend from that point and keep the last guy alive. Then defend from the roof the first two/three waves and finish the boss off.

Can be done relatively quickly if you are with a decent group.= Easy credits.

Another good tip in general for The Division is to get your Armor mitigation to 65%. I was running with 82k Health and 150k DPS. Read a bit on reddit about Armor and dropped my health to 66k but capped my Armor defense. Big difference in my survivability with this.

The incursion on Hard is tough but again, with a decent group, if you defend from the pit and run survival link for the bomb drop its not too bad. Also treat planting the bomb as a suicide mission for one member of the team. You automatically respawn each time the APC tank receives damage.

mossym

good point. might try a high ROF for my ak47, think it's 68 in the mag so less of a worry than my vector

_CreeD_

Andrew76 wrote: »

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Check this out, with my extended mag unequiped my dps drops from 217k to 140k! Other gear stats having an impact too I guess. If I was to swap it with the one below, crit dmg instead of rate of fire it drops to 199k. So that rate of fire for smg's at least seems very important.

It depends. RoF is one of the most direct damage factors, it's a simple multiplier of all the other per-bullet damage characteristics so on the surface it's the most real-world dependable DPS boosters, vs. say that Crit Chance which obviously is variable. BUT, and this really effects SMGs imho, it can be counter productive if you have a low magazine size. Yes you will do more damage in a shorter time with High RoF, but you will be reloading more often and burning through ammo faster. Where as with the % crit you will do more damage per bullet, potentially reducing reloads and ammo use. It's a question of balance really. I will take high RoF with a large magazine size only, won't pair it with anything else. I leave Crit for the other components.

mossym

Spear wrote: »

They said it would be fixed very soon, but nothing solid details wise.

it is absolutely crazy that something like that isn't a simple fix that can be patched almost immediately

deafroadrunner

If theres an issue with the protection from elites stat. Would there also be an issue with the damage to elites state?

Rob2D

As a guy who's had high scavenging since very early on, it does indeed make a difference to drop quantity.

But at this late stage in the game the only stuff even remotely worth looking at are boss drops, which are a certainty. So scavenging is worthless IMO.

Spear

Andrew76 wrote: »

Hadn't heard that. Hopefully it's on their fix list.

They said it would be fixed very soon, but nothing solid details wise.

mossym

Andrew76 wrote: »

I had heard on a YT video (can't remember who's now) that Scavenging stat doesn't make any difference but not sure how you can tell tbh. Not heard about the above - if I have 92% scavenging then that means I only have 2%? That can't be true surely. I've had 2 green drops from Lincoln challenging, one drop from the DZ and the other two bought from BoO.

Think I'm in the same boat as yourself with the number of greens I have - 3 strikers and 1 Nomad chest. Need to mess about with them to see if they are properly worthwhile wearing, maybe I can re-calibrate some stats.

Check this out, with my extended mag unequiped my dps drops from 217k to 140k! Other gear stats having an impact too I guess. If I was to swap it with the one below, crit dmg instead of rate of fire it drops to 199k. So that rate of fire for smg's at least seems very important.

sorry, on the scavenging, what has been posted on redit is that once you go over 100 the first digit doesn't count, so basically 92, 192, and 292 are all the same .there has been no proof of that though. but most people are saying there is no descernible difference on scavenging .and upposedly leaked code shows that scavenging only increased the chances of turning low greens into blues/purples. it won't do anything for golds into gear set items. it's all rumour though, nothing fact, but i'm rolling my scavenger stats tonight to get something useful

that is crazy on the mag. luckily i bought the mag blueprint so looks like i'll be crafting some new mags tonight till i get increased rate of fire.

Andrew76

mossym wrote: »

cheers for the detailed reply yesterday. ran the missions last night, the two hards then did 3 run throughs on lexington. got my third striker piece, so now have 3 of those and a nomad piece. the nomad piece is chest armor, i have a warlord gold that gives me a huge bump in dps(20k+) but savages my health so leave the nomad on and health at 68k with decent armor.

had a look at my stats and noticed i had decent bonus on AR hits, which explains why my level 163 AK47 tends to mow down opponents, but nothing for SMG which explains why my 192 vector didn't seem as strong, so rolled the attributes on my new striker bit, got rid of pistol bonus and got a nice bonus on smg. never got a chance to try it out, but the nights messing around got my dps up over 30k, now at almost 150k, and i know a few things to change to improve that a bit more .

won't be collecting as many phoenix tonight though, watergate is both a hard and the challenging today so that will prevent multiple runs at challenging.

annoying thing though. my nomad piece has +85% scavenging, couple other pieces add scavenging as well. i know the opinion on reddit that the first digit means nothing so 123% is only 23%. but saying all that, i've run lincoln and lexington roughly 10 or so times in the last 2 days. both bosses supposedly can drop a green, but I've not gotten one in any of the 10 missions. none of the randoms i was playing with, many of whom i was chatting with, got a green either. that's some awfully low odds.

really need to give the incursion a go.

I had heard on a YT video (can't remember who's now) that Scavenging stat doesn't make any difference but not sure how you can tell tbh. Not heard about the above - if I have 92% scavenging then that means I only have 2%? That can't be true surely. I've had 2 green drops from Lincoln challenging, one drop from the DZ and the other two bought from BoO.

Think I'm in the same boat as yourself with the number of greens I have - 3 strikers and 1 Nomad chest. Need to mess about with them to see if they are properly worthwhile wearing, maybe I can re-calibrate some stats.

Check this out, with my extended mag unequiped my dps drops from 217k to 140k! Other gear stats having an impact too I guess. If I was to swap it with the one below, crit dmg instead of rate of fire it drops to 199k. So that rate of fire for smg's at least seems very important.

Spear wrote: »

Since it wasn't mentioned yet, don't use any equipment with a "protection from elites" stat. It doesn't do at all. Instead it does the reverse and boosts elite damage against you. Massive have acknowledged this, but only on a Twitch stream.

Hadn't heard that. Hopefully it's on their fix list.

muppetkiller

My name is URL wrote: »

Not really tbh. It's pretty linear like that

The main story missions are decent but even they are very samey

It's much better craic if you play with others

Cool thanks for the reply. Think i'll trade in CEX while the money is good (they are offering 43 euro for it)

My name is URL

muppetkiller wrote: »

thanks I see these missions but they all seem very samey samey, go to A shoot people and collect this/ turn that on / rescue someone. But it just seems very boring. Are there significant story branches or something that will draw me in ?

Not really tbh. It's pretty linear like that

The main story missions are decent but even they are very samey

It's much better craic if you play with others

muppetkiller

mossym wrote: »

first stop is to go to the base of operations, that should open up a bunch of missions for you. teh city is split into a bunch of zones. each zone has a safe house, you need to visit it, talk to the office there and look at the situation board, that will then give you the missions and activities for that zone.

and apologies if you've already found it, but clicking on the view button brings up the map. once you have visited the boo/safehouse go to the map, click on a mission and it will guide you to it.

thanks I see these missions but they all seem very samey samey, go to A shoot people and collect this/ turn that on / rescue someone. But it just seems very boring. Are there significant story branches or something that will draw me in ?

mossym

first stop is to go to the base of operations, that should open up a bunch of missions for you. teh city is split into a bunch of zones. each zone has a safe house, you need to visit it, talk to the office there and look at the situation board, that will then give you the missions and activities for that zone.

and apologies if you've already found it, but clicking on the view button brings up the map. once you have visited the boo/safehouse go to the map, click on a mission and it will guide you to it.

Andrew76

muppetkiller wrote: »

Forgive me if this has been asked before but I picked this up over the weekend and have just arrived in Manhattan. But there seems to be nothing interesting happening in the game ?Am I missing something ? It just seems to me like it's a modern version of the classic "Freedom Fighters" but without the story to back it up ?
I'll admit the city is beautiful (Reminds me of Neither actually) and effects very cool but it just seems soulless to me ? Should I give it another chance of if I don't like it now am I likely to like it more later ?

Don't you get a mission to go to the Base of Operations and speak to Fae or some folk there? You should get more missions from there iirc.

muppetkiller

Forgive me if this has been asked before but I picked this up over the weekend and have just arrived in Manhattan. But there seems to be nothing interesting happening in the game ?Am I missing something ? It just seems to me like it's a modern version of the classic "Freedom Fighters" but without the story to back it up ?
I'll admit the city is beautiful (Reminds me of Neither actually) and effects very cool but it just seems soulless to me ? Should I give it another chance of if I don't like it now am I likely to like it more later ?

Spear

Since it wasn't mentioned yet, don't use any equipment with a "protection from elites" stat. It doesn't do at all. Instead it does the reverse and boosts elite damage against you. Massive have acknowledged this, but only on a Twitch stream.

mossym

Andrew76 wrote: »

Also wear gear that has has SMG dmg, crit chance and crit dmg, re-calibrate to get them if need be. If your health is really high then re-calibrate a piece to swap stamina for firearms. It also depends on the weapons base dmg too of course.

Overall I have 3 Strikers pieces which bumps my GS to 189 I think but my health plummets to 45k and dps drops so only wearing one piece for now.
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cheers for the detailed reply yesterday. ran the missions last night, the two hards then did 3 run throughs on lexington. got my third striker piece, so now have 3 of those and a nomad piece. the nomad piece is chest armor, i have a warlord gold that gives me a huge bump in dps(20k+) but savages my health so leave the nomad on and health at 68k with decent armor.

had a look at my stats and noticed i had decent bonus on AR hits, which explains why my level 163 AK47 tends to mow down opponents, but nothing for SMG which explains why my 192 vector didn't seem as strong, so rolled the attributes on my new striker bit, got rid of pistol bonus and got a nice bonus on smg. never got a chance to try it out, but the nights messing around got my dps up over 30k, now at almost 150k, and i know a few things to change to improve that a bit more .

won't be collecting as many phoenix tonight though, watergate is both a hard and the challenging today so that will prevent multiple runs at challenging.

annoying thing though. my nomad piece has +85% scavenging, couple other pieces add scavenging as well. i know the opinion on reddit that the first digit means nothing so 123% is only 23%. but saying all that, i've run lincoln and lexington roughly 10 or so times in the last 2 days. both bosses supposedly can drop a green, but I've not gotten one in any of the 10 missions. none of the randoms i was playing with, many of whom i was chatting with, got a green either. that's some awfully low odds.

really need to give the incursion a go.

mossym

Xbox I'm afraid

Andrew76

mossym wrote: »

cheers. will be farming lincoln on challenging again later tonight so

If you're on PC add me and I'll join in the fun farming too.

dreamers75

http://divisiontracker.com/leaderboards/pc/Playtime?page=1

some of those are just taking the piss.

Dcully

IvoryTower wrote: »

how do you know players are falling off? I've just got to level 30 so hititng dz now. My friends love it, like obsessively!

Being involved in the community, active on forums,numbers of live streamers and viewers down massively, finding it a lot slower to find groups all point to numbers falling off.

mossym

Rob2D wrote: »

I don't understand this one. If you leave him alive you just have to sit in an awkward silence for 2mins. At least if you kill him you have something to do to pass the time.

yeah can see that arguement alright. risk removal i guess. happened over the weekend, playing with randoms, we cruised through everything up to there,wiped out the first wave, guy kills the last one, second wave spawns, 3 bat wielders get over the wall, and wiped out the two guys crouched behind it . other two of us then were left with a solid wave coming at us, and not much we could do

it was a freak event, usually its no problem beating off the waves there. but why take the risk.

hardest part of that mission is clearing the yard the first time. no reason to risk having to do it again