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Garda Seizing a car!

KwackerJack

So my car was seized about 2 weeks back at the Airport due to the tax being out 6 months.

Quick story auto gearbox went, parked it up till I had the money, got it fixed in Audi and 3 days later it was seized on a Saturday.

I explained my story, showed Audi receipts and he didn't care and took the car.

So I got it back and taxed it online on Friday just gone. Last night between coolock and the N32 I was stopped at a garda check point. A member of the ARU came up and before I could show the tax receipt he went on a big rant about the tax.

Now when I tried to tell him it was taxed he told me to have some respect and let him speak. I told him when he zips up his jacket, tucks his shirt in and takes his hands out of his pockets I'll show some respect as he looked a mess!!

Then he said something which is why I'm writing this post, his exact words below

***I cannot seize this car on the side of the road right now, but your car can be seized***

I showed his the tax receipt and he just blubber moaned on about it anyway and let me go.

But I'm wondering what he meant by he can't seize it right now. The guards at the Airport didn't have issue taking it!!

And yes before the PC brigade pop in I know it should not be on the road and I usually have the highest respect for Guards but the last two checkpoint make me question if the law is just made up as they see fit?

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Little CuChulainn

I'd imagine he couldn't seize it because he wasn't able to wait around for the tow truck.

The flying mouse

Now when I tried to tell him it was taxed he told me to have some respect and let him speak. I told him when he zips up his jacket, tucks his shirt in and takes his hands out of his pockets I'll show some respect as he looked a mess!!

Your pissing of the guard with the backchat he returning the favor...

uck51js9zml2yt

Having the car taxed is different to displaying a valid tax disc which is what the law requires.
It appears you didn't have a valid tax disc displayed.

Hande hoche!

Vorsprung durch taxation.

_Kaiser_

The flying mouse wrote: »

Now when I tried to tell him it was taxed he told me to have some respect and let him speak. I told him when he zips up his jacket, tucks his shirt in and takes his hands out of his pockets I'll show some respect as he looked a mess!!

Your pissing of the guard with the backchat he returning the favor...

OP was correct. Respect is earned, not given away and just because someone is a Garda doesn't mean they deserve any special treatment.

If they deal fairly with you, you deal fairly with them.. if they act the dick, feel free to take their details and complain to their Super or above.

I've met both types in my time and have no issue with calling them on Keystone Cop behaviour.

Cathy.C

KwackerJack wrote: »

I told him when he zips up his jacket, tucks his shirt in and takes his hands out of his pockets I'll show some respect ..

You did in your swiss.

LDN_Irish

KwackerJack wrote: »

And yes before the PC brigade pop in I know it should not be on the road and I usually have the highest respect for Guards but the last two checkpoint make me question if the law is just made up as they see fit?

LMFAO. What does political correctness have to do with motor tax? I'm surprised you haven't preemptively slagged off hipsters and SJW's for a full house.

The flying mouse

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

OP was correct. Respect is earned, not given away and just because someone is a Garda doesn't mean they deserve any special treatment.

If they deal fairly with you, you deal fairly with them.. if they act the dick, feel free to take their details and complain to their Super or above.

I've met both types in my time and have no issue with calling them on Keystone Cop behaviour.

I am not saying OP not correct but you pissing of guards expect them to piss of you in any way they can, thats the way it rumbles .

kneemos

I'd be curious why The Armed Response Unit were checking tax discs.

Avada

kneemos wrote: »

I'd be curious why The Armed Response Unit were checking tax discs.

They've been doing checkpoints around Dublin, probably noticed it while doing that.

OP, it sounds like you both acted like childish brats.

_Kaiser_

The flying mouse wrote: »

I am not saying OP not correct but you pissing of guards expect them to piss of you in any way they can, thats the way it rumbles .

[tangent ahead]

My late mother lived in a working-class housing estate in north Dublin and was tortured for years by the sort of "low-level" antisocial behaviour that the Gardai/councils have no interest in dealing with... kids throwing stones, broken windows, damaged cars, verbal abuse, throwing stuff over the back wall to try and poison the dogs etc. All started because when we first moved in, the crowd next-door had wanted the house as it was end-terrace and been denied by the council.

But as several of the older siblings of these kids were also low-level criminals and informants, nothing was done and while some of the local Gardai were decent and clearly had their hands tied, others would turn up without numbers on their shoulders making threats of charging my mother with nuisance complaints and the like - even more idiotic on their part as they were aware that everything was recorded on CCTV.

My mother was a very stubborn woman anyway but to her credit she refused to give in to them and lodged complaints, lobbied TDs and even featured on a Prime Time special on antisocial behaviour in housing estates.. and thankfully in the end things naturally settled down as these kids grew up and moved out/on and the Gardai in question were replaced.

But the one thing it highlighted was how variable the standards are in our police force - it very much DOES depend on "who you get" and indeed who's involved as to what response you'll get at all - and this isn't just a local issue but nationwide.

[Deleted User]

KwackerJack wrote: »

A member of the ARU came up

Now when I tried to tell him it was taxed he told me to have some respect and let him speak. I told him when he zips up his jacket, tucks his shirt in and takes his hands out of his pockets I'll show some respect as he looked a mess!!

ARU?
How did he hold his gun if his hands were in his pockets?

Armchair Andy

bubblypop wrote: »

ARU?
How did he hold his gun if his hands were in his pockets?

Porn scene material there somewhere.

_Kaiser_

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Porn scene material there somewhere.

VERY unfortunate ending if he "goes off" too soon tho!

Into The Blue

KwackerJack wrote: »

And yes before the PC brigade pop in I know it should not be on the road and I usually have the highest respect for Guards but the last two checkpoint make me question if the law is just made up as they see fit?

It'll take more than that to stop them. They're more of a Letter Of The Law Brigade in these parts.

[Deleted User]

kneemos wrote: »

I'd be curious why The Armed Response Unit were checking tax discs.

I think depending what area you're in, they assist regular gardai, just incase they question the wrong type of people, I've seen them before at it alright.

But if you have no nct, they shoot you in the leg as punishment. It's quicker than going to court and you still live

uck51js9zml2yt

kneemos wrote: »

I'd be curious why The Armed Response Unit were checking tax discs.

They've been doing checkpoints in Cabra the last few weeks supporting the traffic corp.

A good incentive to have your car taxed and insured:)

Fr_Dougal

KwackerJack wrote: »

So my car was seized about 2 weeks back at the Airport due to the tax being out 6 months.

Quick story auto gearbox went, parked it up till I had the money, got it fixed in Audi and 3 days later it was seized on a Saturday.

I explained my story, showed Audi receipts and he didn't care and took the car.

So I got it back and taxed it online on Friday just gone. Last night between coolock and the N32 I was stopped at a garda check point. A member of the ARU came up and before I could show the tax receipt he went on a big rant about the tax.

Now when I tried to tell him it was taxed he told me to have some respect and let him speak. I told him when he zips up his jacket, tucks his shirt in and takes his hands out of his pockets I'll show some respect as he looked a mess!!

Then he said something which is why I'm writing this post, his exact words below

***I cannot seize this car on the side of the road right now, but your car can be seized***

I showed his the tax receipt and he just blubber moaned on about it anyway and let me go.

But I'm wondering what he meant by he can't seize it right now. The guards at the Airport didn't have issue taking it!!

And yes before the PC brigade pop in I know it should not be on the road and I usually have the highest respect for Guards but the last two checkpoint make me question if the law is just made up as they see fit?

You wouldn't download a tax cert!

colm_mcm

did you really say that about his appearance?

Sofa King Great

How did you notice his shirt was untucked with his bullet proof vest over it?

How were his hands in his pockets while holding his gun?

What difference did it make if his jacket was opened?

The offence is failure to display tax so in that you were not displaying it the law allows for them to seize the car

marklazarcovic

didnt think the law could seize a car for no tax if its parked privately

The Backwards Man

The sooner the guards can seize cars as a result of the owners' acting of the big noise on the interweb the happier I'll be.

wigsa100

I fully agree with the concept of giving a Garda what you get off him. If he or she is pleasant, you should be pleasant in return. This happens most of the time. However if he or she acts the complete wanker, which I have seen a number of times, you should return the favour. Having a decent grasp of the law surrounding motoring offences is helpful.

As another poster already said, Gardaí are not automatically entitled to be treated with grace and good will, and are, as public servants, expected to interact with members of the public in a polite and reasonable fashion.

bear1

colm_mcm wrote: »

did you really say that about his appearance?

He did yeah.... Once he was alone.
If he actually did then I bet the guard was speaking and the op interrupted him which is when the guard told him to have respect. Then you go off and complain about his appearance?
I'd have had the tow truck out after that.

The Backwards Man

wigsa100 wrote: »

I fully agree with the concept of giving a Garda what you get off him. If he or she is pleasant, you should be pleasant in return. This happens most of the time. However if he or she acts the complete wanker, which I have seen a number of times, you should return the favour. Having a decent grasp of the law surrounding motoring offences is helpful.

As another poster already said, Gardaí are not automatically entitled to be treated with grace and good will, and are, as public servants, expected to interact with members of the public in a polite and reasonable fashion.

If you can't deal with a wanker and still be mannerly most of the time, you're not much more than a wanker yourself.

Rightwing

The Backwards Man wrote: »

If you can't deal with a wanker and still be mannerly most of the time, you're not much more than a wanker yourself.

This is loser talk.

Cathy.C

colm_mcm wrote: »

did you really say that about his appearance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frT6TKyJ_cw

[Deleted User]

OP is wrong.

A car is supposed to have a valid tax disc displayed when on the road. Even having the tax disc in your pocket isn't enough.

Now most Gardai will accept the "it's in the post" line and say produce it within a few days. But slagging them off about appearance is just the height of stupidity and asking them to forget any leniency.

keith16

tl;dr

wah wah wah

esforum

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

others would turn up without numbers on their shoulders making threats of charging my mother with nuisance complaints and the like - even more idiotic on their part as they were aware that everything was recorded on CCTV.

My mother was a very stubborn woman anyway but to her credit she refused to give in to them and lodged complaints, lobbied TDs and even featured on a Prime Time special on antisocial behaviour in housing estates.. and thankfully in the end things naturally settled down as these kids grew up and moved out/on and the Gardai in question were replaced.

But the one thing it highlighted was how variable the standards are in our police force - it very much DOES depend on "who you get" and indeed who's involved as to what response you'll get at all - and this isn't just a local issue but nationwide.

What was the result of the complaints against the Gardai that threatened your mother?