keep going wrote: » Ah we moved on from protests, its sit ins now
Water John wrote: » Look Ed, to offer these elite anything less than a half a million is an insult.https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ornua-remuneration-sensationalised/ You'd milk a lot of cows to make that.
blackdog1 wrote: » Did you fix any milk to the 30c scheme Brown?.
keep going wrote: » Yet again im being under paid .......or maybe not .
Water John wrote: » 1% hardly turn up at Coop AGM's, where their voice has to be heard, whether top table likes it or not.
keep going wrote: » This is one my little pet hates.moan all year long but dont even turn up at agm, trust me boards do react to critism especially if it is concerted.the other one is unwillingness to go for posts or take any responsiblity
Water John wrote: » Ed, you haven't taken on board the good advice to a dairy farmer from his better a DG board member when he asked about the further drops in milk price each month. He was told 'Be Positive, Be Positive'!!!! Positivity will be very welcome by the bank manager. It will reduce your loan.
visatorro wrote: » Aib using 24 Base price against loans for the year, memo sent around to go easy on farmers! Aren't they very good!
Dawggone wrote: » Text from my Brother yesterday... 'Its unheard of that anyone on their deathbed said "I wish I had worked harder in my job/business". So tru
mf240 wrote: Some lads don't be well enough to give a speech while on their deathbed.
mf240 wrote: » Some lads don't be well enough to give a speech while on their deathbed.
Water John wrote: » Keep Going, there may be some thing to be gained from going to the AGM. But going for for posts would be about the same a p***ing against the wind. Coop spend a lot of time and they have the full time staff making sure the right people get elected. You can well say its farmers own fault then, but they are not organised and are far less cohesive than before. This has especially happened since they no longer meet every day at the creamery as in the 60's & 70's.
RightTurnClyde wrote: » Do you allocate most of your wages to the tillage enterprise. would costing 1 wage/100 cows change the figures much And do you cost what comes across from the tillage ( maize, tractor hire, etc) at your cost price or at market price, Iykwim Curious
Dawggone wrote: » Used €40k/100 cows wages. Land charge of €145/ha set by Gov inc. Dairy pays the tillage op for forage and feed. This is charged at slightly less than market value for tax reasons. Therefore dairy pays for tractors/work etc as if bought in. Dairy has 3 tractors, diet feeder and 2 loaders charged to it. Dairy pays for rearing replacements. When you factor out the cost of replacements it makes a big difference to the bottom line. At this stage, as I said today, I'm looking forward to replacements getting expensive as it will be indicative of good milk price.
keep going wrote: » have you ever put yourself forward for a position.did people ever come to you and ask you to do a job.if you were selected are you saying you wouldnt have the ability or skills to be effective or are you saying that you wouldnt be able to handle the management.just trying to figure out why some one shouldnt go for positions and i think saying that you wouldnt be able to change anything is just saying that you are useless,a bit like saying we wont play the match because we ll lose anyway.i spend alot of time on coop business and act in the best interests at all times of the shareholders,milk suppliers and the coop and at every oppurtunity i encourage everyone to get involved in it because the more people that see how things work the better and i find people who have previously been on the board are the best at asking the questions that need to be asked.not getting involved is a total cop out no matter what the circumstances be cause my attitude is if you want something done you must do it yourself
Milked out wrote: » That land charge is less than half what it would be over here. Labour costs higher in France I assume?
Farmer Ed wrote: » In my experience of dealing with farmer board members. Most of them don't rate rhemselves highly enough to challenge as the main voice in stearimg their boards. Instead most of them are just quite happy to provide backing vocals to managment. The IFA pay scandal or the disaster that was reox being great examples of this mindset. God help anyone who would dare to chalenge. Or managers usually employ the best democracy money can buy.
Dawggone wrote: » Yes. 9 or 18 year land leases (revolving) are set by the Government. It's €145/ha not acre! Labour is a Basta*d. Changed things around here about 6mts ago and it's making a serious difference to bottom line. For fairness I upped the labour to €40k/100 but it's now costing a lot less. Consolidating labour and halting replacements were two of my main responses to falling milk price...both of which are not sustainable imo, but will do until price rises.
Milked out wrote: » You still ignored keep going's questions
Milked out wrote: » Did those two moves go hand In hand? Or would lads on.tillage.side work.dairy as well outside of harvest and sowing? Were your labour costs much lower than the lads.on your farm.walk? Sorry for all the questions, when someone is actually doing changes and seeing results nice.to get the pluses and minuses
Dawggone wrote: » Lads on tillage work dairy also, but never milk. Hired in contract milkers and fired full-time dairy workers. Milkers now €30/milking (:))... The flying herd was more of a reaction to fertility issues due to schmallenberg, but it facilitated the firing of dairy workers and simplified the system, which coincided with price drop. Iykwim. However I think it's not sustainable but will roll with it until price rises again. Lads on dairy walk were more crippled with robots than labour. One guy losing €18k/month.
keep going wrote: » so according to that we all might as well give up.with that attitude managers are bound to have field day because if you are not able to get yourself into a position of power then of course they can go to town on you.smart and capable people dont just sit by a computer moaning,they devise a strategy to put them selves into a position where they want to be. how would you go about bringing change to the set up.
