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Multinationals only hire you for a year

George Michael

Hi

i was just wondering why places like vistakon in limerick only hire minimum wage workers for a year and then let you go? is it for financial reasons.

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punisher5112

George Michael wrote: »

Hi

i was just wondering why places like vistakon in limerick only hire minimum wage workers for a year and then let you go? is it for financial reasons.

So they dont have rights and ususlly let go before 1 full year.

Saves a company a fortune

George Michael

punisher5112 wrote: »

So they dont have rights and ususlly let go before 1 full year.

Saves a company a fortune

oh right, so if you stay on longer than a year you have more rights and are entitled to more money?(higher than minimum wage)

punisher5112

George Michael wrote: »

oh right, so if you stay on longer than a year you have more rights and are entitled to more money?(higher than minimum wage)

1 year probation so can be let go it is after a year the worker could bring a case of unfair dismissal and other problems so car mpany sees the benefit.

Tom Dunne

George Michael wrote: »

oh right, so if you stay on longer than a year you have more rights and are entitled to more money?(higher than minimum wage)

Not necessarily more money, but certainly more rights.

George Michael

punisher5112 wrote: »

1 year probation so can be let go it is after a year the worker could bring a case of unfair dismissal and other problems so car mpany sees the benefit.

ah yea i get you. you dont really have any rights until you are their over a year

Manach

Indeed the important rights of redundancy kick in after a year, but other rights such as payroll and hours are in play before then.

wil

Manach wrote: »

Indeed the important rights of redundancy kick in after a year, but other rights such as payroll and hours are in play before then.

Isn't that TWO years?

redundancy

And only one weeks notice required until 2 years.

So 2 years is really when you start having normal workers rights.

Nody

wil wrote: »

Isn't that TWO years?

redundancy

And only one weeks notice required until 2 years.

So 2 years is really when you start having normal workers rights.

No, all rights kick in after one year such as unfair dismissal etc. inc redundancy (which currently is only paid after two years but could change down the line).

Manach

wil wrote: »

Isn't that TWO years?

redundancy

And only one weeks notice required until 2 years.

So 2 years is really when you start having normal workers rights.

Sorry meant to use the term for being dismissed by one of the breaches under the grounds for discrimination which apply from day one .

cocaliquid

George Michael wrote: »

Hi

i was just wondering why places like vistakon in limerick only hire minimum wage workers for a year and then let you go? is it for financial reasons.

You mean the Johnson & Johnson Corporation

George Michael

cocaliquid wrote: »

You mean the Johnson & Johnson Corporation

they are a subsidiary of johnson and johnson. theres another place around the corner thats part of them too

L.Jenkins

punisher5112 wrote: »

So they dont have rights and ususlly let go before 1 full year.

Saves a company a fortune

Maybe I'm wrong, but would the process of Recruitment, Hiring and Training, not cost a Company more than keeping an Employee on for a few years?

George Michael

Itzy wrote: »

Maybe I'm wrong, but would the process of Recruitment, Hiring and Training, not cost a Company more than keeping an Employee on for a few years?

i think a lot of them use external recruitment companies to hire the people.

the other thing as well is that when i worked in a huge factory years ago it took a minute to train me up. "Move x from A to B," and that was it.

from what i understand from what posters have said its the redundancy they are trying to avoid and that kicks in after one year

corcaigh1

Nody wrote: »

No, all rights kick in after one year such as unfair dismissal etc. inc redundancy (which currently is only paid after two years but could change down the line).

Manufacturing and pharma companies have employed people on temporary contract up to 23 months and you have no redundancy rights when layed off..

Speedwell

This needs to be made common knowledge so that the people such companies hire know they need not break their necks hoping the company will show them any loyalty. As for contracting, I refuse flatly to incur extra paperwork, costs, and liability on behalf of some corporation that doesn't even commit to keep me on longer than a year no matter how well I do there.

George Michael

Speedwell wrote: »

This needs to be made common knowledge so that the people such companies hire know they need not break their necks hoping the company will show them any loyalty. As for contracting, I refuse flatly to incur extra paperwork, costs, and liability on behalf of some corporation that doesn't even commit to keep me on longer than a year no matter how well I do there.

on the plus, they have a high turn over of staff so you have a good chance of getting a job there. I suppose it helps to know someone in there who can put in a good word for you.

the downside you only get hired for a year or two depending on which poster you listen to, which means you cant plan for a mortgage and other things.

to be honest, id rather a job that didnt pay as much in the short term but was longer in duration. you know like working in a coffee shop or something

Mrs OBumble

George Michael wrote: »

Hi

i was just wondering why places like vistakon in limerick only hire minimum wage workers for a year and then let you go? is it for financial reasons.

You'd hope that people wouldn't be planning to stay in minimum wage jobs for more than a year, anyways.

Having short term contracts like that stops the place filling up with deadwood that cannot move on to anything better.

I don't know about Limerick, but in Galway most multinational factory jobs are above minimum wage, and though people do start on short term contracts thru agencies, the ones who are any good are usually hired longer term once they've proved themselves - unless they're particularly unlucky about when they start.

Speedwell

Here in Sligo they hire solicitors on JobBridge, so meh. I work for... that is, I AM... the Irish branch of a UK tech firm. Full-time employee.

George Michael

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

You'd hope that people wouldn't be planning to stay in minimum wage jobs for more than a year, anyways.

Having short term contracts like that stops the place filling up with deadwood that cannot move on to anything better.

I don't know about Limerick, but in Galway most multinational factory jobs are above minimum wage, and though people do start on short term contracts thru agencies, the ones who are any good are usually hired longer term once they've proved themselves - unless they're particularly unlucky about when they start.

i heard from a friend that medtronic are notorious for letting people go once the contract is up or something like that. makes it hard to plan for the future with such a culture

Tom Dunne

George Michael wrote: »

i heard from a friend that medtronic are notorious for letting people go once the contract is up or something like that. makes it hard to plan for the future with such a culture

It's hardly "letting people go" when the contract clearly states the start and end date.

George Michael

Tom Dunne wrote: »

It's hardly "letting people go" when the contract clearly states the start and end date.

my bad. what i meant is that they hire you and then tell you some random day that you are being let go.

i could be wrong, but a lot of multinationals in galway do this.

Tom Dunne

George Michael wrote: »

my bad. what i meant is that they hire you and then tell you some random day that you are being let go.

i could be wrong, but a lot of multinationals in galway do this.

I'd say that is extremely unlikely. Think about it - Ireland is a (reasonably) developed country with very strong employee protection laws.

An employer can't just let people go on a whim, there has to be some legal justification for it, such as people being on temporary or rolling contracts.

wil

Nody wrote: »

No, all rights kick in after one year such as unfair dismissal etc. inc redundancy (which currently is only paid after two years but could change down the line).

??? Not really sure what you're saying here.

Manach wrote: »

Sorry meant to use the term for being dismissed by one of the breaches under the grounds for discrimination which apply from day one .

Discrimination is probably the only right of relevance to most that applies from day one, or even before in some cases. Best of luck proving discrimination if employer gives a different reason, and little proof otherwise.
Other than that, it really is two years before you can really feel they want to keep you.

Irish_Elect_Eng

Most multinationals use agencies for they temporary employees, this is pretty much the default now. In that case the employees contract is with the Agency, it is the agency that terminates folks shy of the 12/24 month points. This is true of both direct operator roles and indirect engineering, professional and support roles.

In some cases where the employees have valuable skills the multi will offer a direct contract to avoid losing the employee when the agency terminates their contract. But in most cases they just leave managing the agency employees up to the agency as they are their legal employer. I am not familiar with how the agencies treat their staff.

Or in the case where there is long term work the multinational will convert the employee to a direct contract as they are cheaper than using the agency and paying the agency fees.

All the Multinationals that I know of in Galway pay well above minimum wage, In particular the ones in the Med. Dev. sector, to students, interns and agency employees. (But I am not familiar will all, so there may be some bad eggs out there)

George Michael

wil wrote: »

??? Not really sure what you're saying here.

Discrimination is probably the only right of relevance to most that applies from day one, or even before in some cases. Best of luck proving discrimination if employer gives a different reason, and little proof otherwise.
Other than that, it really is two years before you can really feel they want to keep you.

i was thinking this alright because people were saying that vistakon will hire you for two 11 month contracts and then you are gone

Mrs OBumble

George Michael wrote: »

my bad. what i meant is that they hire you and then tell you some random day that you are being let go.

i could be wrong, but a lot of multinationals in galway do this.

One of them certainly went thru a spate of this a few years ago. But more recently I've heard that everyone who is there for two years these days becomes a permanent employee of the company instead of the agency.

Mostly they are honest enough about their intentions: if they don't expect to have on-going work, they hire people on temp contracts. At least one Galway MNC has regular seasonal peaks and flows, and uses temps to staff these, with a clear expectation that the work will end. And another has "temps" who have been in place so long that they now have permanent contracts with the agency and must be paid redundancy by the agency if the company has no more work for them.

This is not necessarily a bad thing: there are some people who are happy to get temporary work, and who actually don't want to be tied down to permanent-job expectations. It can be bad for individuals if they keep getting these jobs when they really want permanent jobs - but that comes down to what people are applying for and what is available.