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Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

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http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/shots-fired-at-boxing-weighin-in-dublin-hotel-34427111.html

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coniosumadre

Close one for draglady.

Rakish Paddy

coniosumadre wrote: »

Close one for draglady.

I wondered if it was himself that got hit...

Augme

JustTheOne wrote: »

No problem clamping down on protestor and republicans!

There is no will to stop this. Have to start wondering why. Is there darker forces at work here.

Ridiculous. Gangland crime is almost impossible to stop.

cson

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm a little confused here - I thought the Sheriff Street area had lost its gangland connections in the mid-90s when it was gentrified and they demolished all the heroin infested estates there to make room for the IFSC?

Is the area just a coincidence in this case, or has Sheriff St actually retained some of its former associated anti social behaviour despite the redevelopment, a bit like the area around Herberton in Rialto? I've never heard of Noctors as a dodgy spot until now, but a lot of people this morning are reacting to this by saying things like "Ah well sure Noctors, what would ye expect" as if it has a bad name for this kind of carry on O_o

Regardless, is this shooting thought to be related to the Hutch feud or is it a separate thing?

Noctors is fairly well known for being one of the dodgiest, if not the dodgiest pubs in Dublin.

The street its on would remind you of the road into CJs gaff in GTA San Andreas

hatrickpatrick

Augme wrote: »

Ridiculous. Gangland crime is almost impossible to stop.

It's not in cases of family feuds like these. Every one of these scumbags has previous convictions in the double digits, they should be serving life sentences already for general scumbaggery. Our judiciary has no will to lock these f*ckers up, they get suspended sentence after suspended sentence and it's an absolute joke.

Coat22

cson wrote: »

Noctors is fairly well known for being one of the dodgiest, if not the dodgiest pubs in Dublin.

The street its on would remind you of the road into CJs gaff in GTA San Andreas

Cue the vox pop on tonight's news of residents "shocked" and "nothing like this ever happens around here"

Little CuChulainn

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It's not in cases of family feuds like these. Every one of these scumbags has previous convictions in the double digits, they should be serving life sentences already for general scumbaggery. Our judiciary has no will to lock these f*ckers up, they get suspended sentence after suspended sentence and it's an absolute joke.

My understanding is the actual target of the shooting got a ten year sentence in 2010. Pretty poor if that's correct. Only half his time done and already in the pub at lunch time.

hatrickpatrick

cson wrote: »

Noctors is fairly well known for being one of the dodgiest, if not the dodgiest pubs in Dublin.

The street its on would remind you of the road into CJs gaff in GTA San Andreas

Wow. I thought that entire area had only had a bad reputation because of an isolated council estate in the 80s which wasn't properly policed and got overrun by drugs, a la Fatima - and that it quietened down after they were cleared to make room for the IFSC. And in my own general neck of the woods in the South Inner City where my college is, the Barn House pub at the Dolphin's Barn bridge is widely regarded as the dodgiest pub in Dublin, with the comparatively tame Bridge House across the road being notorious for people getting confused and wandering into the Barn House across the road instead

DamienDarts

coniosumadre wrote: »

Close one for draglady.

So am I right in saying that today the Kinihan gang went to try kill draglady from the regency but shot an innocent bystander instead?

Coat22

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

My understanding is the actual target of the shooting got a ten year sentence in 2010. Pretty poor if that's correct. Only half his time done and already in the pub at lunch time.

Well when you work at night his lunch time is your 6pm.....:)

hatrickpatrick

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

My understanding is the actual target of the shooting got a ten year sentence in 2010. Pretty poor if that's correct. Only half his time done and already in the pub at lunch time.

Sure look at that mother who got four years for the most horrific abuse of her kids a few days ago. Our judicial system is bollocksed at the moment.

Rakish Paddy

DamienDarts wrote: »

So am I right in saying that today the Kinihan gang went to try kill draglady from the regency but shot an innocent bystander instead?

Curious about that myself - everyone and their mother knows who the draglady is, so I would be shocked if he was hanging out in broad daylight in Dublin.

DamienDarts

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

My understanding is the actual target of the shooting got a ten year sentence in 2010. Pretty poor if that's correct. Only half his time done and already in the pub at lunch time.

Why not just name the scum bags if they have been convicted of the crimes already? That's not illegal and there not gonna come looking for Little CuChulainn

Augme

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It's not in cases of family feuds like these. Every one of these scumbags has previous convictions in the double digits, they should be serving life sentences already for general scumbaggery. Our judiciary has no will to lock these f*ckers up, they get suspended sentence after suspended sentence and it's an absolute joke.

They'll always have people to step in and take their place. These aren't family feuds, these are large gangs fighting for turf/money. If it wasn't a nephew in a prominent position it would just be someone else.

arayess

Rakish Paddy wrote: »

Curious about that myself - everyone and their mother knows who the draglady is, so I would be shocked if he was hanging out in broad daylight in Dublin.

that part of town is very insular esp around noctors not much passing traffic , a non local is noted immediately.

maybe he felt safe...

it's easier said than done to hide away all the time, maybe he needed a stretch of his legs.

but overall I do agree with you

hatrickpatrick

Augme wrote: »

They'll always have people to step in and take their place. These aren't family feuds, these are large gangs fighting for turf/money. If it wasn't a nephew in a prominent position it would just be someone else.

My understanding is that the Kinahan / Hutch thing is more personal at this stage than business, no?

Simply Red

coniosumadre wrote: »

Close one for draglady.

First person that came to mind too

murpho999

Reports now say that the victim was a case of mistaken identity as he is unknown to Gardai.

This should put an end to people saying just leave them at it as they wipe each other out.

murpho999

Victim is also now confirmed to have died.

TheFatHombre

I wonder if it will ever get to a stage were the Gardai will have to carry assault rifles to tackle the drug gangs in this country, we all seen how bad it got in Mexico and how bad it still is, ATLEAST with an armed police force we can tackle the gangs on an equal level, instead of using Battons and mace

DamienDarts

TheFatHombre wrote: »

I wonder if it will ever get to a stage were the Gardai will have to carry assault rifles to tackle the drug gangs in this country, we all seen how bad it got in Mexico and how bad it still is, ATLEAST with an armed police force we can tackle the gangs on an equal level, instead of using Battons and mace

If I was a guard I would be demanding personal protection to match these scum bags.

Flatzie_poo

TheFatHombre wrote: »

I wonder if it will ever get to a stage were the Gardai will have to carry assault rifles to tackle the drug gangs in this country, we all seen how bad it got in Mexico and how bad it still is, ATLEAST with an armed police force we can tackle the gangs on an equal level, instead of using Battons and mace

The mexicans would eat this lot for breakfast. With salsa.

We're nowhere near that level.

Gamebred

What could a Garda with a gun done to stop any murders in this fued? wouldnt of made 1 iota of difference.

Captain Chaos

TheFatHombre wrote: »

I wonder if it will ever get to a stage were the Gardai will have to carry assault rifles to tackle the drug gangs in this country, we all seen how bad it got in Mexico and how bad it still is, ATLEAST with an armed police force we can tackle the gangs on an equal level, instead of using Battons and mace

The ERU already have assault rifles and had them on patrols after the last shootings. The ues HK416 A5s along with the MP7 and Uzi SMGs.

RobertKK

So the person murdered was 'mistaken identity', some innocent person murdered on the streets of Dublin.

DamienDarts

Gamebred wrote: »

What could a Garda with a gun done to stop any murders in this fued? wouldnt of made 1 iota of difference.

If you are referring to me...
I said if I was a guard I would demand personal protection to match the scum bags, I never said they could have stopped anything else.
I'm talking about a time when they come close to the scum and they need protection.

DamienDarts

FFS.
The independent now confirming it was a mistaken identity.
RIP

bigpink

coniosumadre wrote: »

Close one for draglady.

Who?

DamienDarts

bigpink wrote: »

Who?

The draglady from the regency shooting he is referring to I presume.

TheFatHombre

Yea but the ERU are a unit of a few hundred maybe a thousand strong, who don't patrol the inner city like all crimes they respond after the crime is committed, they are no were as tough or as aggressive as the police force in Mexico who kidnap gang members and blind fold them bring them to unknown locations and interrogate them aggressively.. And as for the criminals, the Kinahan cartel is widely regarded as been on par if not as massing more money through its criminal enterprises then the cartels, so there is a real issue at hand, and the Gardai are under resourced and don't have the training to deal with this threat