Mrs OBumble wrote: » Sounds like the descriptions applied to (settled) Irish immigrants in many countries. I know that many of you cannot even spell "ethnicity", far less have any meaningful appreciation of the concepts of cultural difference, but really the level of sheer ignorance displayed in this thread is pretty mind boggling.
Gremlinertia wrote: » A lot of dog walkers this time of year because they are allowed on the beach during the day. I walk one for a friend couple of times a week..
Discodog wrote: » I would never walk my dogs near travellers. I was on Inch Beach in Kerry & a large group of travellers came over looking at my Greyhound. One of them said "I'll give you 30 for the dog" . I said that she wasn't for sale. He then offered 50 & several of them started trying to pull the lead from hand. They were roaring that it was a good price. I had to point out that I would seriously injure someone if they didn't get lost. That night they were trying to break into my camper van at 3am.
bobbyss wrote: » Those Travellers have a tough life make no mistake about it. It must be very very difficult for them to have to keep moving around especially with kids involved and my heart goes out to them. My understanding is that in general the city council has a (legal?) obligation to house them where they want to be housed ie together in sites with serviceable bays etc. The council has not done that ie the council has failed in its legal duty. Is this true? If it is true, why has the council failed in this regard? I can never understand why some Travellers want to live together in sites? I also do not understand how anybody would refuse social housing and choose to live on the side of the road especially when young children are involved. Why would a parent choose that for their children? And I can never understand how Travellers can afford to keep horses given the fact that many Travellers are unemployed. I would have thought horses were for the gentry set. Feeding, Vet expenses, Licencing or whatever must cost a fair bit. And if Travellers by and large do not own property, where are these horses kept?
Pugzilla wrote: » Travelers are like the Sand People from Star Wars
bobbyss wrote: » Did you report the harassment and attempted break in to the Gardai?
Nomis21 wrote: » A traveler asked me if he could tether his horse in my field. I said 'Yes' as I wasn't using it for anything else and agreed if he could find me a couch for my living room, which he duly did and he left the horse in my field. Next morning the horse was gone. I thought the traveler had taken him but it turns out that it wasn't tied up properly and the horse had escaped into the town where he was causing havoc with the traffic. Local people came round to my cottage complaining that I should look after my horse better. Then the traveler came round and accused me of stealing his horse! We live and learn, don't we...
BunkMoreland wrote: » What's the point in asking that?
bobbyss wrote: » If someone harassed you and attempted a break in to your property, what is the most appropriate thing to do? Report it of course. That's what I would do. Why? Well, if the police are not called you are simply encouraging this type of behaviour. Maybe they would not harass again or attempt a break in again.
fergiesfolly wrote: » Being a scumbag is what encourages that kind of behaviour. Gave up reporting anti-social behaviour for the most part. Between slow response times and difficulty in identifying suspects, little ever comes of it. Know how that comes across, but that's 90% of my experiences.
voz es wrote: » I have no appreciation for your bracketed word. I believe it to be an unnatural barrier of separation between people leading to distrust, labeling and in some cases isolation. The choice to be different is just that, if there is laws and legislation in place for the population as a whole all should have to adhere to it. .... Sadly the community that considers them selves travelers have a lower life expediency, higher health issues, higher crime rate, less employment, higher suicide rate, experience a high massive amount of prejudice and still this is a choice they make.
Mrs OBumble wrote: » Thank you for illustrating my point so well. People do not choose to be Traveller, any more than they choose to be Black, or female or gay. It is something you are born to - and science has proven that there is a genetic distinction: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/health/dna-study-travellers-a-distinct-ethnicity-156324.html Agreed, some Travellers choose to behave in uncivilised ways - and sometimes this is out of pure bad-ass-ness. Some non-Traveller-Irish do the same. Generally a lower proportion, because non-Traveller are better educated (though if you count in deceitful bankers and other such white-collar-criminals, I suspect the proportions might even up.) Some Travellers break private property laws. But so do some non-Travellers: adverse possession laws were not passed for the benefit of teh Travelling community!
voz es wrote: » I'm not going to engage you anymore.
bobbyss wrote: » I see your point but the poster referred to an attempted break in to his/her property. Not just some chaps shouting and being drunk around the place.
fergiesfolly wrote: » Sorry, I meant to respond to this earlier.... If you think "chaps shouting and being drunk" is the extent of what I meant by anti-social behaviour, God bless your innocence. I actually laughed out loud when I read that. Chaps!!! CHAPS!!!:pac:
Mrs OBumble wrote: » Evicted because there's not planning permission for the way it was being used. Or because it's shortly before an election. One or the other, or maybe both. .
bobbyss wrote: » Attempted break in to your property is, in my opinion, more serious than people upturning dustbins, shouting around the place which are examples I would offer as anti-social behaviour. Would you agree with the above?
fergiesfolly wrote: » I would. But your previous post intimated that anti-social behaviour is no more than drunken hi-jinks, when it's usually way more serious.
bobbyss wrote: » I see. No I was giving specific example of an anti social behaviour that would be seen as less serious than attempted break in to your house. Examples were chaps shouting drunk around the place and up turning bins. If I saw these behaviours I wouldn't report it to the Gardaí for various reasons whilst if someone attempted to break-in to my house I would 100% do so. If that made you laugh out loud, well I don't really understand why. Anti social behaviour such as I have described is not directed at a particular person and is therefore less serious than a break in, especially if you are at home at the time.
fergiesfolly wrote: » We're just getting off the point of this thread now. Your posts seemed to imply your someone with little or no experience of the sort of serious anti-social behaviour myself and others have witnessed(apologies if untrue) I'm talking mass brawls( including use of weapons) drug dealing, spousal assault, animal cruelty, illegal dumping, destruction of private and public property, incompetent or disinterested parents complete lack of interest in controlling their children. I've witnessed all that and more. I've rung the Gardai countless times and seen nothing come of it and have been threatened for 'sticking your nose in" The terminology you used, "drunken chaps" seemed so innocuous to me, as to be laughable.Apologies for the assumptions made, but that's how that post came across.
Davd wrote: » And...... They're back. Same place in knocknacarra as last time...
gilberto_eire wrote: » This travelling lifestyle needs to be eradicated from the modern world.
Mrs OBumble wrote: » There was a lad in Germany a few years back who tried something similar, I think ....
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