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Children and Boxing/MMA

FTA69

As some of you may know, a Portuguese fighter called Joao Carvalho recently died as a result of trauma he received in a Dublin MMA event and I'm led to believe there was much pontificating on Joe Duffy about how the sport was awful and how it should be banned and how children participating in it was awful and sure weren't they spurred on by that McGregor fella etc etc etc. It's generally a line I've heard many times when the subject of boxing or combat sports comes up and I was wondering would people here consider it barbaric and what their perspectives on children participating in these sports would be?

I'm a fighter and coach myself and work with children in a deprived part of London and to be honest, I see it as a vital and valuable outlet for the kids I work with and something which benefits them enormously. It aids in their fitness, confidence and discipline and also has a positive effect on other aspects of their life such as their education. It also provides them with a semblance of structure some don't get at home and an introduction to other cultures and people of different backgrounds.

However I've also had people say to me that it's a form of child abuse and the usual sh*te. Would parents here have a problem with their kids boxing?

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FTA69

tigger123 wrote: »

There's a difference though in being hard in the tackle, and beating someone in the face with your fists until they pass out.

Aggression is aggression at the end of the day, whether that involves going in to f*ck someone out of it in a tackle or whether you're partaking in a boxing bout. The mentality is the same and I reject the notion that boxing makes someone anymore violent, aggressive or volatile than any other sports. In fact I've found the respect factor to be a lot higher in boxing both in and out of competition. Some of the sh*t that gets said and done on pitches in GAA and rugby wouldn't be tolerated for a second in amateur boxing.

Regards the concept of punching each other, you're statistically more likely to be injured in a variety of other sports. An injury is an injury at the end of the day, the worst mishap I ever had was breaking my leg playing soccer, never had something as bad happen in boxing.

smash

FTA69 wrote: »

Aggression is aggression at the end of the day, whether that involves going in to f*ck someone out of it in a tackle or whether you're partaking in a boxing bout. The mentality is the same and I reject the notion that boxing makes someone anymore violent, aggressive or volatile than any other sports. In fact I've found the respect factor to be a lot higher in boxing both in and out of competition. Some of the sh*t that gets said and done on pitches in GAA and rugby wouldn't be tolerated for a second in amateur boxing.

Regards the concept of punching each other, you're statistically more likely to be injured in a variety of other sports. An injury is an injury at the end of the day, the worst mishap I ever had was breaking my leg playing soccer, never had something as bad happen in boxing.

It's not so simplistic. A broken leg is a broken leg but constant blows to the head and concussion will degrade your brain slowly and detrimentally.

[Deleted User]

I'm a big mma fan but when I think about it I don't think I'd allow my kids get hit in the head, I'd let them train no problem and they can wrestle, grapple and learn to box, maybe light sparring, but no serious head contact.

FTA69

smash wrote: »

It's not so simplistic. A broken leg is a broken leg but constant blows to the head and concussion will degrade your brain slowly and detrimentally.

To be honest I think the type of head trauma etc you're describing predominantly effects the professional boxers who slog it out over 8-12 rounds and they're far removed from the average participant in boxing. The head trauma issue is a lot less prevalent in MMA.

smash

FTA69 wrote: »

To be honest I think the type of head trauma etc you're describing predominantly effects the professional boxers who slog it out over 8-12 rounds and they're far removed from the average participant in boxing. The head trauma issue is a lot less prevalent in MMA.

Don't be so sure. Any and all blows to the head add up.

TheFatHombre

FTA69 wrote: »

To be honest I think the type of head trauma etc you're describing predominantly effects the professional boxers who slog it out over 8-12 rounds and they're far removed from the average participant in boxing. The head trauma issue is a lot less prevalent in MMA.

But in MMA Aren't the gloves 4oz and more likely to cause more damage then a 16oz boxing glove?.. ATLEAST that's what Mr ward told RTE news today, MMA fighters kick, knee, box and elbow there opponent, and even when there opponent is knocked unconscious to the ground they still continue to rain blows to a defenseless person

darced

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Boom_Bap

My kids have trained in an MMA/BJJ/Wrestling gym. I can only speak of this experience and I believe it was brilliant for my kids, they can go back whenever they want.
There was absolutely no striking involved. Games and techniques were thought, games to get the body moving differently and to add fitness and flexibility.
Different throws and takedowns were though, none which led to any sort of submission.
As the kids progress they move on to submissions in BJJ, my kids decided to try another sport instead of progressing.
I still know other kids in the gym now and their parents who are also train as adults in the gym. One of the regularly tries arm bars on me and rear nakeds.......as soon as he feels me tap he has the discipline to release.
There should be absolutely no striking for kids in this training. If they are hitting anything it should be bags or pads, never another person. They should be thought not to hit each other. This is why I am 100% comforatble with my kids returning to that gym.

In relation to Joao Carvalho, it's an absolute tragedy. RIP.

TheFatHombre

darced wrote: »

If you do some research you will find that's not true.

Sorry but what exact part of my post isn't true?

Gatling

TheFatHombre wrote: »

when there opponent is knocked unconscious to the ground they still continue to rain blows to a defenseless person

Not usually no mma refs are pretty quick to throw themself's into the firing line to stop a fight when an opponent goes limp after a heavy strike

hatrickpatrick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JLglSByGGo

Stacker Pentecost

I've seen MMA fights whereby one of them is on the ground and other is down punching him in the head over and over. That's not fighting.

Boxing > MMA.

Pac1Man

I find it strange that people go ape over MMA whereas boxing gets an easier ride from the media. There are some controversial rules in boxing which contribute to the health of the fighter which people don't consider: No clinching after taking a big blow and the standing 8 count, both of which promote the fighter taking the hits to receive even more hits. In MMA the fight would be over long before.

However, what I hate to see in MMA is the ground and pound. Mixed Martial Arts? What martial art is that!? Also, continuing to punch someone when they are clearly knocked out is horrible. There is simply no need.

TheFatHombre

Gatling wrote: »

Not usually no mma refs are pretty quick to throw themself's into the firing line to stop a fight when an opponent goes limp after a heavy strike

But it's still common to see a fighter knock someone out then watch him race to land another 2 or 3 more shots to an unconscious man despite the actions of the ref, fighters in MMA have that mentality which can only be compared to that of a animal

Gatling

Stacker Pentecost wrote: »

I've seen MMA fights whereby

I once played street fighter and pwned

smash

I've just heard that in Ireland st least MMA is not recognised as a sport and is self funding. As such it does not have a regulatory system and neither the minister for health and safety or minister for sport can get involved in the incident. What I'd like to know now are the legalities involved and who is official responsible for the death?

Gatling

TheFatHombre wrote: »

But it's still common to see a fighter knock someone out then watch him race to land another 2 or 3 more shots to an unconscious man despite the actions of the ref, fighters in MMA have that mentality which can only be compared to that of a animal

What happened to rained down on an opponent.

......

Not really no

TheFatHombre

Gatling wrote: »

What happened to rained down on an opponent.

......

Not really no

Thank you for conceding,

Pac1Man

TheFatHombre wrote: »

Thank you for conceding,

Tapping. You should have said 'tapping'!

TheFatHombre

Pac1Man wrote: »

Tapping. You should have said 'tapping'!

Haha

JustTheOne

Wasn't there 3 cyclists killed in some competition, one being Irish?

We should ban cycling.

Halloween Jack

Boxing fan, but probably wouldn't allow any of my kids to get involved, with all the concussion stuff coming down the line I don't think it's giving them the best start I can give them. I feel the same about rugby now too. I did a spot of reading about an American who hadn't even suffered many concussive blows in his football career, but his brain being rattled in his skull so often from collisions caused early onset dementia type stuff. As for mma, I wouldn't let my kids watch it, never mind participate. I can remember emulating wwf as a kid, and we all knew it was fake, I wouldn't want my kids hammering each other with knees and elbows etc...

Gatling

This article was shared by mma coach John Kavanagh not so long ago worth a read in light of the recent tragedy

http://m.independent.ie/sport/mma/time-to-end-hypocrisy-over-mma-fighter-safety-34575032.html

Gatling

Pac1Man wrote: »

Tapping. You should have said 'tapping'!

Nah he was too slow lack of oxygen due to a choke hold

The Randy Riverbeast

I do some martial arts. Boxing and MMA can be over the top but it would depend on the club. Would probably prefer to send any kids I might have to other martial arts.

Cathy.C

Couple of crowdfunding pages have been set up for Joao's family.

One here and another by the IAPA.

https://twitter.com/John_Kavanagh/status/719937756718329856

meeeeh

Oriental martial sports without any hesitation. I would want to know who is doing boxing, how is it run and so on. Basically only with supervision. Mma no chance in hell. I wouldn't trust any sport without proper governing organization.

[Deleted User]

FTA69 wrote: »

what their perspectives on children participating in these sports would be?

I train BJJ and Capoeira quite a lot and I have been teaching the basics of it to my children. They are only 5 and 2 so when I say basics I mean basics - but it is amazing how well they take to it. I have taught them both basic emergency self defense too. A few basic back hand eye gouging techniques and the like. Real basic stuff - but to a level that it will at least be almost instinct if they ever need it.

I honestly need to think out what I feel about my children engaging in contact sport - like active training against others or even competition level - and when where and how they will do it. But I am not against the idea per se. I am more than aware of how well they take to it and how quickly they learn - but it has to be their choice and it has to not get away from them too quickly.

I will probably - if they take to it themselves without pushing from me - enroll them in a less contact orientated training. Tae Kwan do or something of that sort. But I would love to see them gravitate more towards more hands on contact training eventually. Jujitsu differs from a lot of other forms in that you really do actively train against others, rather than practice forms and movements.

I am quite into the philosophy side of Jujitsu as well as the actual combat so I will do my best to keep them on that track. As long as they enjoy sharing that with me - I will enjoy teaching them.

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The awkward moment when Taxs 5 year old could prob beat me to a pulp

I dunno, mma - very aggressive. Wouldn't be into letting kids take part

smash

Halloween Jack wrote: »

Boxing fan, but probably wouldn't allow any of my kids to get involved, with all the concussion stuff coming down the line I don't think it's giving them the best start I can give them. I feel the same about rugby now too. I did a spot of reading about an American who hadn't even suffered many concussive blows in his football career, but his brain being rattled in his skull so often from collisions caused early onset dementia type stuff. As for mma, I wouldn't let my kids watch it, never mind participate. I can remember emulating wwf as a kid, and we all knew it was fake, I wouldn't want my kids hammering each other with knees and elbows etc...

American football is completely different than rugby especially in the fact that American football players are taught to use their head as a bartering ram. It's what the movie concussion is based on. I'be heard the doctor the movie is based on talking and he says the same is happening with boxers. MMA won't be far behind.