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Why we worry more about water charges than USC?

powerstar

Hi,

I am just wondering why we in this country worry more about water charges than USC.

We are paying more for USC than water charges. Water charges are only 160 or 260 per but most people pay over 1000 on USC per year.

And no one talks about USC , it's same with political parties during elections.

Yet there is massive protests about water charges.

Why is peoples attitude is different with USC.

Any thoughts.

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Anita Blow

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Looks like we are stuck with the USC now seeing as idiots were saying during the election that it shouldn't be reduced at all.

I'd argue they were realists, not idiots. It's absolutely clear by the state of our health service, school class sizes, cuts to the Gardai over the past couple of years that we can barely fund our public expenditure as it stands, let alone after we slash revenue by 4 billion

Permabear

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darkpagandeath

1 out of 10...

Geuze

smash wrote: »

I've met Americans who'll state that their affective tax rate is around 9 or 10%. But they pay state and federal tax on purchases then. I've met people from Nordic countries who'll include all the taxes and vat etc on purchases on top of their income taxes and state an 85%+ affective tax rate. It all depends on how you look at tax.

Yes, no doubt, Nordic taxes are way higher than here.

US taxes are lower than here.

No VAT in USA, low-ish sales taxes, high local property taxes, low income taxes.

Jack Killian

Geuze wrote: »

Taxes in general in Irl are average, compared to other countries.

The top MTR at 50% approx kicks in awful early at 34k approx, that is true.

My parents pay 10% direct tax on 50k - very low.

Stealth taxes are the killer in Ireland.

A TV licence alone is a 1% tax for someone on min wage.

Add car/fuel/home heating etc, LPT, plus VAT @ 23.5% (up from 21%) and take into account that anyone on that needs to spend it to get by and you have almost no adults paying less than 25 to 28% tax in some form or another.

Bar maybe adult kids living at home without chipping in.

smash

Geuze wrote: »

Taxes in general in Irl are average, compared to other countries.

The top MTR at 50% approx kicks in awful early at 34k approx, that is true.

My parents pay 10% direct tax on 50k - very low.

I've met Americans who'll state that their affective tax rate is around 9 or 10%. But they pay state and federal tax on purchases then. I've met people from Nordic countries who'll include all the taxes and vat etc on purchases on top of their income taxes and state an 85%+ affective tax rate. It all depends on how you look at tax.

Geuze

smash wrote: »

We're taxed to hell and it pushed many people over the edge. .

Taxes in general in Irl are average, compared to other countries.

The top MTR at 50% approx kicks in awful early at 34k approx, that is true.

My parents pay 10% direct tax on 50k - very low.

Geuze

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

Wasn't the USC just another 2 taxes put together and renamed?

Yes, the health levy and the income levy.

The 2% health levy had been around for a long time.

The income levy was introduced during the crisis, as other tax revenues plummeted.

Jack Killian

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Use it, pay for it.

Tell Dara Murphy that (re Garda cars & drivers) or yer wan who rang her boyfriend in Kenya.

Jack Killian

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

Wasn't the USC just another 2 taxes put together and renamed?

Two supposed temporary emergency taxes.

All the other taxes are still there too.

smash

The water charges just became the straw that broke the camels back. We're taxed to hell and it pushed many people over the edge. The support to scrap the charges and dismantle Irish water grew when the public were made aware of the extent to which the company is a complete shambles. Add to that the dodgy DOB stuff and then the usage of our property and motor taxes that have gone to support it.

Speedwell

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Use it, pay for it.

Well, that's a tremendously nuanced, helpful, and compassionate social policy you got there, pardner.

TheDoctor

How do people not know what USC is??

Pay more USC in a month than a years water charges.

Galwayguy35

biko wrote: »

That you should probably have explained what USC is, not everyone might know what you're on about

Anyone that works will know.

Galwayguy35

Speedwell wrote: »

I am happy to pay my share to make sure everyone gets essential human necessities like water, ffs. But charging people for water if it means they have to cut other necessities out of their lives to pay for it, that's just wrong.

Use it, pay for it.

Muahahaha

joe swanson wrote: »

The idiots protesting come from the part of society that like to get everything for nothing. They dont have to worry about usc as they receive a generous weekly pay cheque from the govt for doing absolutely nothing.

theres a lot of us protesting by not paying. The message from the streets has already been sent loud and clear.

biko

powerstar wrote: »

Any thoughts.

That you should probably have explained what USC is, not everyone might know what you're on about

Speedwell

I am happy to pay my share to make sure everyone gets essential human necessities like water, ffs. But charging people for water if it means they have to cut other necessities out of their lives to pay for it, that's just wrong.

The Randy Riverbeast

Wasn't the USC just another 2 taxes put together and renamed?

Galwayguy35

Looks like we are stuck with the USC now seeing as idiots were saying during the election that it shouldn't be reduced at all.

c montgomery

People are idiots! Simples

Birneybau

Stolen from Broadsheet.ie

OfflerCrocGod

Personally I'm looking forward to going back to subsidizing people with swimming pools, jacuzzis or massive leaks on their property. It's their fundamental human right to have me pay for it.

mickdw

I think you will find that the majority of protestor are people who live free within the state. This water charge was one of the few charges applied to welfare households. These people wouldnt know what USC was.

powerstar

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Thats because the water charges affect everyone and the USC affects people who earn over €13k so....

Yes you are correct that every one doesn't pay USC.

But I think people pay USC they are paying much more than water charges.

USC supposed to be temporary measure and now it's become a part of regular tax.

DavyD_83

No choice in USC, deducted at source.

If Water had been implemented in this way as a tax rather than an unenforceable utility charge it would not have been possible to refuse payment.

the_syco

Those that work pay the USC charges.
Those that work cannot really take days off during the week to protest.
No political party cares about the workers.
No political party wants workers to not pay tax.

Not everyone who protested the water charges was unemployed, but I'd say most of the people who got bussed around to the various places where IW were doing work were out of work!

No-one cares if the workers pay more tax, but ask those who get welfare and stuff for free to pay anything? Mass protests everywhere.

Galwayguy35

Skangers don't have to pay the USC.

joe swanson

The idiots protesting come from the part of society that like to get everything for nothing. They dont have to worry about usc as they receive a generous weekly pay cheque from the govt for doing absolutely nothing.

9de5q7tsr8u2im

powerstar wrote: »

Hi,

I am just wondering why we in this country worry more about water charges than USC.

We are paying more for USC than water charges. Water charges are only 160 or 260 per but most people pay over 1000 on USC per year.

And no one talks about USC , it's same with political parties during elections.

Yet there is massive protests about water charges.

Why is peoples attitude is different with USC.

Any thoughts.

Thats because the water charges affect everyone and the USC affects people who earn over €13k so....