Iwasfrozen wrote: » I voted yes, globalization is inevitable progress for the human race. In a few hundred years we'll look back on ethno-nationalism as being quaint but backward.
Del.Monte wrote: » What a pile of parrot droppings! Globalization is not inevitable and why would any sane person want it anyway. Free movement of people across the world will lead to us all being dragged down to the subsistence level of the Third World. If you're that enamoured by the prospect why don't you try moving to India, China or Nigeria to soak up the atmosphere before it arrives here. I realise that it's not pc to say it but I liked the country the way it used to be when we had a community rather than an economy.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » The state where Europe maintains a higher standard of living than the rest of the world is unnatural and unsustainable in the very long term. Capitalism is already rapidly increasing standards of living in China, India, Bangladesh and Indonesia.
Eugene Norman wrote: » At the expense of the west as we have seen in Britain recently.
Del.Monte wrote: » What has this to do with what I stated? If, indeed, it were true the populations of those countries would stay at home and not try to migrate to Europe.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » I'm talking very long term. Obviously in the short time migrants want to migrate here to improve their standard of living. Which is not a bad thing for the econony as it forces down wages in low skilled industry.
Eugene Norman wrote: » That's actually bad for the economy.
Superhorse wrote: » How can I ask you is forcing down wages for low skilled workers "not a bad thing"? I'm very confused how you come to that conclusion.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » Falling wages are bad for the economy now? Hmm that's not what my textbook in Uni said but I guess you know better than someone with a PhD in economics.
Del.Monte wrote: » My hero, you've a PhD in economics. Donald Trump is my junior business partner - beat that.
Del.Monte wrote: » It's great if your in the ruling elite of grubby European chancers like Peter Sutherland and his kind.
wakka12 wrote: » Im fine with it, I just think it should be on a smaller scale. Like I thought it was sad when I went to London or Paris that I met very few actual british or french people, most of the people in the centre working there were Middle eastern/African/South asian..realised the only thing that differentiated the cities from other cities in the world was the architecture
Shenshen wrote: » You'd be surprised how quickly people will start differenciating between "our foreigners" and "foreign foreigners". I noticed that a few weeks ago when talking to my gran in Germany, a prime case of early-onset geriatric racist. Nobody is ever going to be entirely satified, mind you. When my grandmother started being racist, she had to make do with hating "Prussians" - anybody from further up north who had moved south. It was only later she got Italians to be racist at, and later Turks. Now all these are classed as "local", and she's firmly sticking to her prejudices when it comes to anybody new arriving.
allibastor wrote: » We have another I think Lithuanian family up the road who refuse to mingle or do anything with anyone, despite people really trying. I mean inviting kids to parties, family over for BBQ etc.
BlibBlab wrote: » Canada maybe? Although their treatment of and attitude towards natives isn't great
BlibBlab wrote: » I used to, or at least I did in the sense that I never really questioned it. I do find it a bit sad though that our culture and ethnicities will probably slowly disappear. Looking at the Ireland-Scotland match a few weeks back, you could pick out some people that you'd identify as looking Gaelic/Celtic, kind of like you could probably pick out a Russian with a reasonable degree of accuracy but not as distinct. Places like North America are already big cultural melting pots. I find the idea sad that going to say Greece will just be like going to any other part of Europe, with unique ethnic groups and cultures replaced with multi-ethnic groups wherever you go. Probably won't happen fully in my lifetime unless science keeps me alive, but still it's not hard to see a time in the future when large parts of the world are basically a copy of America and the different races disappear into one mixed race. I know I'm going to be in the minority on this, but interested to get others thoughts.
speedboatchase wrote: » Multiculturalism is only expected of Western nations. No one cares about the monocultural societies of China, Japan, South Korea.
allibastor wrote: » If the people coming in are willing to adapt also to our culture then yes. If they are coming over to get benefits and to moan that we dont understand them, all the while not making ANY effort to integrate, then no. Unfortunately I have seen more of the latter then the former here, my next door neighbor is a Polish guy, sound out and makes a big effort to chat with his neighbors and so on. We have another I think Lithuanian family up the road who refuse to mingle or do anything with anyone, despite people really trying. I mean inviting kids to parties, family over for BBQ etc.
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