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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

Timmaay

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

All farming sectors go through difficult periods and during such times there may need to be changes in how threads are moderated.

Dairy threads are going to be more closely monitored and subject to stricter moderation for a while.

To that end we won’t tolerate baiting of posters, constantly reviving old arguments, posters with agendas or crusading for a cause.

Whether it’s discussion of the business or politics of the dairy or other sectors, we expect civility and tolerance toward each other and other opinions as diversity of opinion is needed as a source of different ways of looking at a situation.

"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert

Also please be aware that what you may post as light-hearted banter can be read totally differently by someone adversely affected by the subject matter and evoke a reaction you hadn’t intended.

The ‘Off-Season’ forum, and its anonymous posting, is available for anyone to chat about their situation.

The Mod Team.

10 away from the 10000 posts! Frazz I think it's fair to say this thread has been a success!

Indeed it was! First thread can be found here- http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056872221

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pedigree 6

liam7831 wrote: »

I can see a lot of new entrants ending up in money trouble with the banks in the next 12 to 18 months as i presume there loans are based on a milk price of 34 or 35 cent. Will be a long time before we see those figures again id say.

We're all on the one road now. Just because new entrants or established.
Everyone could have loans taken out whether for land purchase or buildings or stock purchase etc. I have no doubt new entrants as well as long time dairy farmers will find it tough or even go bust.

Are you a new entrant?

jack o shea

At breaking point physically and mentally, worst winter/spring of all time,least it was dry in 2013.

pedigree 6

Had to let a load of milk into the slurry tank. There was a cow treated for mastitis milk let into the milk tank. Anyway better than paying for the lorry load of milk.
It hasn't happened here in years now.
Oh the joys of farming. You don't hear that on no Week on the Farm.:(

pedigree 6

jack o shea wrote: »

At breaking point physically and mentally, worst winter/spring of all time,least it was dry in 2013.

It's not easy but try to focus on the positives inside the house and on the farm.
Try to remember why you farm and this weather is not going to last forever.
Even coming on here writing it down can help you find a solution.

Land here is saturated today and the cows are inside today. Silage is getting scarce here as well. There's not much of last years silage left. Dad is going nuts here as usually the cows are out fulltime by now (and he doesn't own the place ha) and grass growth is very slow this year. They say it's good to talk and it definitely is.

whelan2

jack o shea wrote: »

At breaking point physically and mentally, worst winter/spring of all time,least it was dry in 2013.

Take a day off. Get away from it.

howdee

jack o shea wrote: »

At breaking point physically and mentally, worst winter/spring of all time,least it was dry in 2013.

In 2013 i had half the cows and stretched grass to the 1st of may. Cows were content because the place was dry and even if there was nothing to eat in a field they were still content. The place was skint by may which set it up for the year. Now i have double the cows. What feels like triple the work, three times the meal bill. One day of grass left in 1st rotation.. All for the same milk cheque.
To add salt to the wound my co op sales rep call me yesterday to tell me my protein is getting too low and i need to feeding there spring breeder nut @290 a ton delivered.. Will i fcuk.. out of protest for been second bottom on the milk league i have decided to stop purchasing meal off said co-op for this year. I might only be a small supplier but i would rather my near 10k meal bill go to my local grain merchant who is open on a saturday then to a money hungry Glanbia..

Things will pick up, we are in april now and it can change very quickly this month. A few good days with abit of heat would really help things along.

dar31

whelan2 wrote: »

What milk price are banks basing loans on now?

25 c/l stress testing it down to 22c plus stress test of +2% interest

kowtow

mahoney_j wrote:

Our CEO in Arrabawn is confident markets have now bottomed out with new announcement on extra intervention storage for powder .i hope he is right

If they have bottomed out for the time being think it came a fair bit before that announcement.

Although far be it from me to deny the EU politicians the credit for changing the tides, milk price, global oil price as well as staving off El Nino!

Timmaay

dar31 wrote: »

25 c/l stress testing it down to 22c plus stress test of +2% interest

For how long of a term at the 25c? Whatever about 25c, at 22c there will be very very few loans approved...

kowtow

whelan2 wrote:

There are people who cannot wait for these guys to fail. Let them work away , have enough to be worrying about with whats going on on my farm without worrying about tommy up the road

+1000.

In the great scheme of things most of those guys who have enough energy and determination to take on dairy will find a way to make it work somehow even if their timing was a bit over enthusiastic in the first place.

A lot of lessons will be learned quickly by the survivors, and everyone will benefit from a bit more healthy cynicism next time round.

The big issue is the long term direction of the industry.. I think the real naivety so far has been from the processors and politicians who reckon the best we can be is a cheap knock off of new Zealand.

Buford T. Justice XIX

kowtow wrote: »

If they have bottomed out for the time being think it came a fair bit before that announcement.

Although far be it from me to deny the EU politicians the credit for changing the tides, milk price, global oil price as well as staving off El Nino!

That's why they get the big bucks;)

Just a few figures about the increase in supply from the Journal

US up 1.2bnl
NZ up 0.6bnl
IRE up 0.8bnl
HOL up 0.9bnl
GER up 0.5bnl

From listening to some commentators, you'd think Ireland was alone in creating the current surplus whereas the Dutch produced more and Germany and NZ not much less than us.

Buford T. Justice XIX

I'm trying to run my bull selection on ICBF for this years AI but I keep getting an error message.

Anyone else having the same problem?

tanko

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I'm trying to run my bull selection on ICBF for this years AI but I keep getting an error message.

Anyone else having the same problem?

Yeah, ICBF hasn't been working properly for a few days now.

jaymla627

dar31 wrote: »

25 c/l stress testing it down to 22c plus stress test of +2% interest

Could want to factor in a weather test too, costing nearly 2 grand a week extra to keep stock feed this year as opposed to last year when extra silage/meal been feed is taken into account....
Then the next problem will be trying to get quality silage and enough of it made for next winter/spring with it looking like silage ground will have to be grazed again

Buford T. Justice XIX

I took a short cut today, I went rolling out a bale of straw while the maidens were eating ration. Two were finished quickly and came over to investigate and attacked the bale and stuck me onto the wall with the bale.

No damage done only my pride is a bit bruised.

Fekkin' weather, they should be out by now:mad:

atlantic mist

whelan2 wrote: »

Someone posted the other day that Bergin is saying a Glanbia price in the low twenties. Is that a reality or Glanbias bottom of the table price?

if we drop another few cents would we qualify for the "fair trade" branding?? (serious question as it will be below cost of production what differentiates us from the fair trade coco farmers at present)

could save a few pound on the sustainability scheme if we could put fair trade like cadbuary chocolate on all our products where only 30% of coco is bought from fair trade suppliers (if one in every three year could be loss making we could match the cadbuary 30% figure), dont think anyone in Africa gives a tuppence about the sustainability of our product considering they are paying for it by drawing oil from the earth, suppose our ceo needs something to talk about at trade fairs and sustainability is the buzz word in the corporate world for last few years

new born calf today no tail and no eyes but drinking like a horse, what are his chances of survival we think he was a month premature, under the heat light well see how he goes

whelan2

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I took a short cut today, I went rolling out a bale of straw while the maidens were eating ration. Two were finished quickly and came over to investigate and attacked the bale and stuck me onto the wall with the bale.

No damage done only my pride is a bit bruised.

Fekkin' weather, they should be out by now:mad:

EVER notice they very rarely headbutt the bale in the direction you want them too

Dawggone

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

That's why they get the big bucks;)

Just a few figures about the increase in supply from the Journal

US up 1.2bnl
NZ up 0.6bnl
IRE up 0.8bnl
HOL up 0.9bnl
GER up 0.5bnl

From listening to some commentators, you'd think Ireland was alone in creating the current surplus whereas the Dutch produced more and Germany and NZ not much less than us.

The spin here is that Ireland is the biggest offender. I presume this spin is because Simon told Le Foll to take a hike...Holland and Germany must be ready to pull on the quota jersey.

stanflt

jack o shea wrote: »

At breaking point physically and mentally, worst winter/spring of all time,least it was dry in 2013.

Chin up lad- things will always get better

Muckit

jack o shea wrote: »

At breaking point physically and mentally, worst winter/spring of all time,least it was dry in 2013.

I had this forecast back before christmas with the floods and the severe heights of the water table, but few gave a fiddlers. Now we're getting reports of zero growth on kilkenny dairy farm walk. Reports of 'difficult grazing' and no silage from a poster on here in .... mid Cork. Nobody panic but I'd be bracing oneself for a rough landing when this 'spring' decides to touchdown.

Bullocks

jack o shea wrote: »

At breaking point physically and mentally, worst winter/spring of all time,least it was dry in 2013.

Hope it picks up for you Jack .

Bullocks

Muckit wrote: »

I had this forecast back before christmas with the floods and the severe heights of the water table, but few gave a fiddlers. Now we're getting reports of zero growth on kilkenny dairy farm walk. Reports of 'difficult grazing' and no silage from a poster on here in .... mid Cork. Nobody panic but I'd be bracing oneself for a rough landing when this 'spring' decides to touchdown.

It really all depends how quick growthy weather comes now . It could be worse than 2013 because its too wet to even let most cattle out here and there is no growth anyhow yet OR it could heat up , grass will fly and we will forget about the bad spring of a shot !

Dawggone

Muckit wrote: »

I had this forecast back before christmas with the floods and the severe heights of the water table, but few gave a fiddlers. Now we're getting reports of zero growth on kilkenny dairy farm walk. Reports of 'difficult grazing' and no silage from a poster on here in .... mid Cork. Nobody panic but I'd be bracing oneself for a rough landing when this 'spring' decides to touchdown.

Jeez Muckit.

Chill.
Nothing is EVER as bad as it seems.

Spring will come and all will be dandy when the sun shines...as always.

Bullocks

Dawggone wrote: »

Jeez Muckit.

Chill.
Nothing is EVER as bad as it seems.

Spring will come and all will be dandy when the sun shines...as always.

Coming to the end of the hungry months never comes quick enough here in the west and we got absolutely no summer at all last year . It is amazing how quick we will forget about it though when the sun shines

mf240

After three warm days.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zakdzo09E3s

cute geoge

jack o shea wrote: »

At breaking point physically and mentally, worst winter/spring of all time,least it was dry in 2013.

All you can do is your best and look forward to the dust clouds in the summer

keep going

Are deep and greengrass gone too

Dawggone

Slurry quotas to become law in Holland from Jan1 next year. This is to massively reduce the dairy herd by 4-8%.
Probably will make the Dutch produce more milk per cow...

German dairy farmers Union are backing a return to restrictions/quota.

That just leaves those pesky Irish...says French press. Quoting that Irish dairy farmers have invested €1.5 billion on expansion. Is that correct?

jaymla627

Dawggone wrote: »

Slurry quotas to become law in Holland from Jan1 next year. This is to massively reduce the dairy herd by 4-8%.
Probably will make the Dutch produce more milk per cow...

German dairy farmers Union are backing a return to restrictions/quota.

That just leaves those pesky Irish...says French press. Quoting that Irish dairy farmers have invested €1.5 billion on expansion. Is that correct?

Seems high but mighten be far off, one family locally has well over 4 million spent the last couple of years on expansion and know alot of cases where cow numbers have went from 70-80 cow to plus 300....
These kind of jumps in numbers mean lots of money has to be spent to get their

Brown Podzol

Dawggone wrote: »

Slurry quotas to become law in Holland from Jan1 next year. This is to massively reduce the dairy herd by 4-8%.
Probably will make the Dutch produce more milk per cow...

German dairy farmers Union are backing a return to restrictions/quota.

That just leaves those pesky Irish...says French press. Quoting that Irish dairy farmers have invested €1.5 billion on expansion. Is that correct?

If you count what's invested on farm and in processing probably more. Even back as far as 07 farmers were using the farm improvement scheme to add facilities and "future proof". The abolition of quotas was announced as far back as 2006 and dairy farmers have been moving around the chess pieces since, breeding and facilities. It was well flagged that Ireland were targeting an increase of 50% by 2020.