Labarbapostiza wrote: » I've been in a position where experiencing a life threatening emergency, the lady at admissions stalled me from getting treatment, because she wouldn't accept 'no religion' as my religion. I wouldn't let her bully me, but that's what she was doing.....it's time for payback. I'm ticking no religion on the census. And before I'm dead, I hope to see some name changes on institutions. St. James to James Connolly, the Mater to Karl Marx Hospital.
Labarbapostiza wrote: » I don't know why anyone in this day and age is comfortable letting a parish priest in proximity to primary school children. I mean you might have a belief that's okay, because of your religion, but do you have to put the children of others at such risk.
Labarbapostiza wrote: » Yeah, well you're sick of it. How sick do you think the rest of us are over your sense of entitlement.
Labarbapostiza wrote: » Oh yeah. Christian ethos, makes it sound like if the children weren't indoctrinated with ethics, they'd be out murdering robbing and stealing.
Labarbapostiza wrote: » What are these ethics? Priests are fantastic people because they're closer to God for being so holy. God and the priests can see exactly what you're doing at all times. Perpetual virginity is the only desirable state for women, and I know you're only children now, but all the subtle poison in relation to sexuality is going to really screw you up when you're grown. But don't worry, you'll be "normal", because what we say is normal is "normal". And so many of you will be paranoid social and sexual misfits, you'll all fit in together.
Labarbapostiza wrote: » We're just asking people to tell the truth. If you don't go to mass every Sunday, you're not a Catholic. You could be an admirer of Jesus all you like, but if you don't follow the rules, you're not really in the club.
Labarbapostiza wrote: » Be the Jaysus. I don't want a religious funeral. That would be the final insult. Having a pedophile con artist saying some hokey and getting paid as they lower me in. Over me dead body, they will.
Labarbapostiza wrote: » You're not forced to dance naked round a May pole for the witches sabbaths, though you force the witches not to have a pint on festival of Ester. Jaysus, talk aboush entitled. I'm fine with the good Friday drinking ban. It's a reminder of our past......I'll say that again....It's a reminder of our past...It's also a huge house party drinking day, where we celebrate the present and the future.
Benny_Cake wrote: » I've quite a bit of time for old Marx, but naming a hospital after him doesn't seem to make a lot of sense in an Irish context. The Mater is at least reflective of the people who developed the hospital on the first place. Revenge isn't much of a reason.
At this point, I don't see how children are at any greater risk from a priest than anyone else - probably less, given the sensitivity of priests towards avoiding any situation that could possibly be seen as incriminating.
You may have no time for the Catholic church but that doesn't justify slandering an entire category of men solely based on their occupation.
One eyed Jack wrote: » Well, it's quite likely they would be if children were not indoctrinated with a system of ethics, morals and values. Are you familiar with the book "Lord of the Flies"?
eviltwin wrote: » It wouldn't be like that at all. Children don't need a religious education to learn how to be decent individuals.
Benny_Cake wrote: » I don't know what the men of 1916 would have made of Boards, Reddit or the Web in general. Who cares!? Christianity is the largest religion in Ireland, and guess where you're posting!
alma73 wrote: » Yet would it not be a good gesture to have a forum for like minded people to believe in the same fundamentals of faith?
steamengine wrote: » That's not the full picture though - preferential treatment for particular denominations only kicks in when there is pressure on school spaces. The same would apply to Protestant schools and other religious schools. If there is undue pressure on school places presently it's because there are generally not enough places to go round in total - not because of any wish to discriminate.
How do they use the census as justification for preferential treatment ?
Delirium wrote: » Preferential treatment is system wide pretty much. Something like 92% of primary schools are Catholic. So that's preferntial. Then you have the admissions policy that gives priority to Catholic kids. After that, the school facilitates religious instruction as part of the school term.
Generally to agrue to maintain the status quo in the schools by citing that the majority is Roman Catholic in census (84% in the last one AFAIK).
Nola Microscopic Sucker wrote: » Even the secular schools have their class time doing world religions...whats your point? My son is in an RC school, I'm now on the board of management, we're not RC and we have the choice of him being taken out of class class during RE. We saw no need for that action to be taken.
Nola Microscopic Sucker wrote: Even the secular schools have their class time doing world religions...whats your point?
alma73 wrote: » Boards.ie is pretty much Atheist from what I gathered. I see there isn't even a Forum for the Largest Religion in Ireland. (those Catholic Rebels of 1916 who said the Rosary daily would be turning in their graves.)
solodeogloria wrote: » Good morning all! The largest religion in Ireland is Christianity. The largest denomination as of the 2011 census is Roman Catholicism. The largest weekly observance however is none because most of the former have lapsed. As for 1916 admittedly I don't have much stock in it. The only Easter rising that matters is the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Some of the thinking of the rebels was downright blasphemous. Pearse likening himself to Jesus Christ in claiming that he made a blood sacrifice like Jesus for the Irish people. No, he didn't. The only person who died for all people everywhere so that they might have life eternal is Jesus Christ (John 11:26) Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ and His Easter rising from the dead, solodeogloria
salmocab wrote: » solodeogloria wrote: » Good morning all! The largest religion in Ireland is Christianity. The largest denomination as of the 2011 census is Roman Catholicism. The largest weekly observance however is none because most of the former have lapsed. As for 1916 admittedly I don't have much stock in it. The only Easter rising that matters is the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Some of the thinking of the rebels was downright blasphemous. Pearse likening himself to Jesus Christ in claiming that he made a blood sacrifice like Jesus for the Irish people. No, he didn't. The only person who died for all people everywhere so that they might have life eternal is Jesus Christ (John 11:26) Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ and His Easter rising from the dead, solodeogloria well to be fair the only Easter rising that matters to you is jesus from the dead. Plenty of people only care about the one in 1916. Blasphemy is surely in the eyes of the individual and not for others to judge I would think.
steamengine wrote: » It's not that out of kilter with the declared 84% Catholic census figure below. The problem seems to be that that non-religious parents and their children don't have access to the same fine tuned set-up regarding their beliefs or, more accurately non-beliefs, as Catholics, Protestants, and others. There is no onus for students from non-religious backgrounds to attend religious instruction in schools. Facilitating is not the same as indoctrination. I don't know if that holds true as the Protestant minority has organised its schools in exactly the same fashion as Catholic majority and therefore the precedent has been well set for other minorities, secular or otherwise to do the same.
solodeogloria wrote: I agree with you. My post is strongly wordedjtnd intentionally so. Blasphemy however isn't a matter of opinion. If someone likens his death to Jesus' sacrifice that is problematic. I'm sure on a secular level one can find hope in 1916 and I welcome them to do so but there was nothing Christian about this event.
solodeogloria wrote: » Good morning! I agree with you. My post is strongly worded and intentionally so. Blasphemy however isn't a matter of opinion. If someone likens his death to Jesus' sacrifice that is problematic. I'm sure on a secular level one can find hope in 1916 and I welcome them to do so but there was nothing Christian about this event.
salmocab wrote: » Well it surely is a matter of opinion, world religions seem to agree on very little so I doubt that they have both agreed on this and gotten approval from their gods. Everything in religion is opinion as without proof everything is conjecture. I never claimed there was anything Christian about 1916.
solodeogloria wrote: El Duderino - I don't believe Christianity borrowed from any religion. It is the logical fulfilment of Judaism. Feel free to open another thread to convince me otherwise.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » No need for that. If anyone has the most basic interest on history they can find out. Easter is merged with the older pagan tradition of Oestre/Eastre. It was to do with fertility and that's why the curent easter celebration is linked to the moon cycles rather than having a fixed date. Like I said, christians can continue to borrow the symbolism but you can't claim to have invented it or have some kind of exclusive rights to its use.
solodeogloria wrote: Last post till later but do you mean refuted things like Zeitgeist the movie?
NS77 wrote: » You see, this is the attitude that gets non-religious and minority religious people's backs up. Education is a State service. We don't have Catholic libraries, where non-Catholics are allowed in - if there's room.
One eyed Jack wrote: » Libraries and who does or doesn't have access to them is another matter entirely - you aren't permitted to take a book home with you for example if you aren't a member. Some libraries won't even allow you access to their IT resources if you aren't a member, and if you want to print anything, well some libraries will expect you to pay for that service too, member or not!
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » No not zeitgeist. Just look up the history of the pagan goddess I mentioned. It's not a ln anti christian thing, it's a reality thing. People have always celebrated the return of the sun and the beginning if the process of flora flowering which eventually turns to fruit, and fauna giving birth which eventually turns to meat. It was celebrated before christians were around Europe and it's a bit rich to lay claim to a festival that was celebrated before christians thought to chime in. The point isn't that pagans invented the symbolism of rebirth. I imagine they co opted it too. The point is that christians can't claim to have invented it or own it because... they didn't and they don't.
NS77 wrote: » Indeed - good public administration practice. Similar, in fact, to enrolling in a school. One can't just drive up and deposit a child at school without filling out the necessary forms. The difference being, on joining, I won't be asked for a Baptismal Cert. at my local library. I won't feel the pressure to baptise my child at birth, just in case they might want to borrow books in the local library in the future. My local library also carries books on a wide range of topics (including Christianity and Atheism), without favouring any one in particular.
1. The state acknowledges that the primary and natural educator of the child is the Family and guarantees to respect the inalienable right and duty of the parents tp provide, according to their means, for the religious and moral, intellectual, physical and social education of their children. 2. Parents shall be free to provide this education in their homes or in private schools or in schools established by the state.
