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Makood

Hi all.

A short history of myself.

I need some major dental work done. Had a fear of dentistry as many have but decided last year that I had to do something or I would be toothless in a few years.
Went to a local dentist and he done some work. I'm not going to turn this into an us against them rant, but I was not happy with his pricing. I really felt it was get as much work done in a short space of time and charge full price.(Multiple fillings in 1 session)
Last straw was a root canal where I had to pay extra for a "filling" to finish the job.

Now, one of the fillings on a front tooth chipped and as I was going to Ukraine with the landlady over xmas I asked her to organise a visit to her local dentist to fix it, and while there give a quotation for the rest of the work needed.

Background on her-Shes a Dr. She not going to send me somewhere dodgy.

I ended up in the cities Dental Hospital for the consultation. As it was xmas and new years I could not have an Xray so the dentist was a looking at worst case scenarios for me.

She refused 3 times to fix my chipped filling. Said it was unfair and would be taking my money for something that was going to break again. She said I have an issue with my bite that needs to be corrected and that she would need me for a minimum one month to correct this. (This was never mentioned to me in Ireland)

Without the Xray she could not give me an accurate price, but her end of the job would involve 10 root canals (That won't be the case she was just saying worst case, and that likely it would be 2 or 3 of them. Along with the realignment work needed if that's what it's called, it would cost €300. It's all relative to what you earn i guess. Salaries in Ukraine are c. 10 times less than in Ireland and the currency has collapsed with all the shenanigans with the Russians.

After her work I will see the cosmetic dentist-He is a friend of the landlady. Not sure of his pricing but I will let you know in time. Several crowns/bridges/temp. dentures needed I'm sure.

This won't be done in one go. I'm heading in March for 2 weeks and they will begin the work. Based on how they get on I will probably head back for 2 weeks later in the year and possibly another 2 weeks early next year.

Can I just say this is a Dental Hospital, with fully qualified Dentists. They have no financial interest in doing work quickly or doing unnecessary work to make money as they are paid a government salary and that's all.

I'll listen to any opinions and as the work gets done I will try post some updates.

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btkm8unsl0w5r4

Makood wrote: »

To any mod-feel free to examine my dental work and evaluate. Just send me a PM. I don't think this is likely though.

If you are, be prepared to give a professional opinion on this thread as to the outcome of your evaluation, positive or negative.

I am glad you treatment so far is to your liking. Let's wait till it's all completed and sitting comfortably for a few years before the backslapping starts. I will happily provide a honest report to anyone that is willing to pay me for my consultation time and expertise, what purpose that would serve for you I dont know.

Hillmanhunter1

Hi Makood

I wish you well with your treatment.

I went to Budapest almost 6 years ago and haven't regretted it for a moment. Irish dentists don't have a monopoly on professional standards.

Regards

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

Hi Makood

I wish you well with your treatment.

I went to Budapest almost 6 years ago and haven't regretted it for a moment. Irish dentists don't have a monopoly on professional standards.

Regards

Makood, read back through Hillmanhunters posts, his treatment failed after a couple of years, he went back at his own expense, had to pay again for the treatment, but he is still "happy". He is a dream patient.

Hillmanhunter1

davo10 wrote: »

Makood, read back through Hillmanhunters posts, his treatment failed after a couple of years, he went back at his own expense, had to pay again for the treatment, but he is still "happy". He is a dream patient.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Truth:

the quality or state of being true.
"he had to accept the truth of her accusation"
synonyms: veracity, truthfulness, verity, sincerity, candour, honesty, genuineness; More
that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.
noun: the truth
"tell me the truth"
synonyms: the fact of the matter, what actually/really happened, the case, so; More
a fact or belief that is accepted as true.
plural noun: truths
"the emergence of scientific truths"
synonyms: fact, verity, certainty, certitude; More

Sometimes it hurts, I'm not attacking your character, I'm pointing out that you have posted previously that your treatment failed and you had to pay again. Truth.

I few years ago there were 4 Hungarian clinics advertising in Ireland, Tibor dental are gone after multiple law suits from dissatisfied patients, Dr Borbath (dental-implant Hungary) was struck off the Register in February after being found guilty of over treatment and poor standards, Dental Magic shut up shop leaving treatments unfinished and patients owed thousands.

http://www.dentalcouncil.ie/files/Dr Csaba Borbath - Erasure - 15 Feb 2016.pdf

Hillmanhunter1

Hi Davo10

As you well know my treatment did not fail, and six year later I am still happy with the quality and cost of my treatment.

Still untroubled by facts I see, and still resorting to the straw-man fallacy.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Just for those out there unfamiliar here is a link to the thread. In 10 years moderating this forums its my favourite thread and I love that its been brought back up. It has everything. Walter Mitty type conspiracy theorists. Dental tourism deniers, Shills, Thiefs, Irony, comedy. Its a clinker.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056526627

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Kynlee Glamorous Underachiever wrote: »

Just for those out there unfamiliar here is a link to the thread. In 10 years moderating this forums its my favourite thread and I love that its been brought back up. It has everything. Walter Mitty type conspiracy theorists. Dental tourism deniers, Shills, Thiefs, Irony, comedy. Its a clinker.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056526627

Ah, that's good reading!!

groovyg

Kynlee Glamorous Underachiever wrote: »

Just for those out there unfamiliar here is a link to the thread. In 10 years moderating this forums its my favourite thread and I love that its been brought back up. It has everything. Walter Mitty type conspiracy theorists. Dental tourism deniers, Shills, Thiefs, Irony, comedy. Its a clinker.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056526627

Wow that thread is shocking :eek:

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

Hi Davo10

As you well know my treatment did not fail, and six year later I am still happy with the quality and cost of my treatment.

Still untroubled by facts I see, and still resorting to the straw-man fallacy.

You provided the facts in your 2014 posts. Still in denial? I had forgotten how entertaining yours and Mary's (oconnorm) are.

Makood

davo10 wrote: »

You provided the facts in your 2014 posts. Still in denial? I had forgotten how entertaining yours and Mary's (oconnorm) are.

Can you move this to the relevant thread please. This is about another persons experience-not mine.

Hillmanhunter1

Kynlee Glamorous Underachiever wrote: »

Just for those out there unfamiliar here is a link to the thread. In 10 years moderating this forums its my favourite thread and I love that its been brought back up. It has everything. Walter Mitty type conspiracy theorists. Dental tourism deniers, Shills, Thiefs, Irony, comedy. Its a clinker.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056526627

Tut Tut Kynlee Glamorous Underachiever, you forgot the scare mongerers, lobbyists, and bullies!

groovyg

Makood wrote: »

A small update. 3 root canals completed. 3 broken teeth (badly chipped) front teeth) that had been worked on by an Irish dentist with the "greatest standards" in "40 minutes" are now fixed (read my other threads) For how long? Who knows. I certainly hope longer than than before.
(1st day 1.5 hours, 2nd day 1,5 hours, days 3,4 and 5 approx 1 hour each, 1 tooth at time.)

5 days to fix 3 teeth -I don't think that qualifies as a dental tourism rushed job, however I expect the usual skepticism. Some things were lost in translation in previous posts

I have two root canals, one was done in Ireland and it was done over three visits to the dentist with a week between each visit. The second one I had done in Spain and it involved 2 visits and was done with 10 days between each visit. It cost €110 and I remember being shocked at how cheap it was. That root canal failed and I ended up having it to be redone by my dentist here 8 years later.
5 days to fix three root canals ......seems wayy too quick.

Makood

groovyg wrote: »

I have two root canals, one was done in Ireland and it was done over three visits to the dentist with a week between each visit. The second one I had done in Spain and it involved 2 visits and was done with 10 days between each visit. It cost €110 and I remember being shocked at how cheap it was. That root canal failed and I ended up having it to be redone by my dentist here 8 years later.
5 days to fix three root canals ......seems wayy too quick.

Root canals can fail. I know. I have had in Ireland as well. If it failed after 8 years that's a bit more than I got with the tooth due for extraction (In Ireland, I would not argue with the decision to extract, it was a stump, eye tooth) that was rebuilt. How she managed to save it is for someone more knowledgeable than me.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Posters remember that you may feel ownership of "your thread" but when you start a topic it then belongs to everyone. Hillmanhunter has every right to post here, mostly because it give more information for the unseen people on the outside reading this now and in the future.

uck51js9zml2yt

Had a root canal done in the dental hospital years ago and it failed on the final stage just before filling and it was pulled out. It happens. Had a bridge and 2 crowns done in Belfast 16 years ago and they are perfect.

Makood

I am going to add a bit of balance to the thread, as the OP.

I know some of you mods think I am being biased, but I am doing what I am doing based on my wife's recommendations, and my budget. If I can't trust her who can I trust! I'm also not claiming to have a successful treatment. Time will tell. I'm also aware of the conflicting treatment I may have posted, don't blame me, don't blame the dentists-Blame my translator who is fluent in both Russian and English and got it a little mixed up.

As I stated in an earlier post I went to a Hungarian dentist who had a clinic locally for consultations and declined the treatment. I found the quotation and here is what was "required".

6 Extractions: 18,28,34,36,38,48

Implants: 34,36,37,45,46,47

RCT: 16,26

Porcelain Crown Fused To Metal: 11,12,13,14,15,16,21,22,
23,24,25,26,34,35,36,37,
45,46,47

Core Build Up with Pin: 13

Where I went. 3 RCT'S, 3 extractions and 4 implants.

Two more RCT when I return in September and on my top jaw-2 bridges. Crowns possibly fitted to implants. This may well take more than one more visit-As I've said before, we travel there anyway so its not an extra travel cost.

I am very aware you will never agree with what I'm doing, but I think anyone looking at the difference in treatments would agree there is something not right with one of them.

I think I may have stated in an earlier post that my Irish dentists plan was not a million miles away from what I am getting at the moment. He didn't quote for implants-I can try find his treatment plan and add as an edit later.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

OP you can do as you please, not many people are threatening to go to the ukraine for their dental work, last time I heard about dentistry there, Irish dentist were going over on their holidays to treatment the cherynobl childrens teeth for charity.

Dental work is very difficult to get right, a big dental work is really difficult to get right. There are not many dentists that can coordinate these big jobs and get it all to work together long term. Dont finds that as the economy of a country gets more low cost that the dentist skill jumps up in a inverse relationship, however the treatment plans they will take on certainly does.

Time will tell. Nobody here will remember in 5 years about your thread, and nobody here cares half as much as you think they do. If you never had to money for private dentistry in ireland then your no loss to any of the private dentists here. The only person who will gain or suffer is you.

We know that people feel the need to reinforce decisions they have made, but its only those that make decisions to have treatment at low prices that feel the need to document them on the internet for obvious reasons. I treat patients all day long that are having jobs ten times as complex done and they dont post about it. Why? They are wiser then me most obviously.

Makood

Semi expected this. It says a lot about you. I tried to post a reasonable comparison of treatments. As I guessed, a waste of my time

Makood

Kynlee Glamorous Underachiever wrote: »

OP you can do as you please, not many people are threatening to go to the ukraine for their dental work, last time I heard about dentistry there, Irish dentist were going over on their holidays to treatment the cherynobl childrens teeth for charity.

You heard, or you have evidence?

I heard Irish dentists crown every root canal.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stheno View Post
I used have two root canals, and neither were crowned.

About eight years later one of them completely crumpled and had to be removed.

I'd be asking about crowns tbh
Shhhhhhhuuuush......dont spoil the fun

btkm8unsl0w5r4

yes it is best practice to crown root canal treated teeth, espically back teeth and premolars. The ocasional front tooth devitalised from trauma is ok so long as the access is minimal and the marginal ridges are intact however as a general rule all root canal treated teeth should recieve cuspal coverage. This is international best practice and well studies acorsso multiple controlled longidudinal studies.

I actually worked and studied with a guy that when the the Chernobyl dental aid twice a year. The tale he told were grim. I have a few patients from there and the follow the russian style, its unimpressive work or a particular style. I saw one chap who worked there for an oil company and had a big bridge done, I have a CT scan of it somewhere, full arch bridge over a submerged tooth, posted it before ages ago. So yes my experience is reasonable, but may not be transferable to you.

Dianthus

OP, you have a massive advantage over the average random dental tourist. Namely, your wife! The fact that she speaks fluent Russian, is medically trained, has a personal (& non- financial) interest in ensuring that you receive the best& appropriate treatment, you are being treated in her home city so there should be an element of continuity of care as the years pass....It's not a bad position to be in. However it does differ from that of most dental tourists', reliant on company reps who are trained in PR& working on commission.
Also, regarding implants, you should be provided with a "passport" of sorts, detailing the manufacturer/material/components/dimensions, so that these can be sourced& tracked if ever needs be.
Hope all goes well for you.

Makood

Dianthus wrote: »

OP, you have a massive advantage over the average random dental tourist. Namely, your wife! The fact that she speaks fluent Russian, is medically trained, has a personal (& non- financial) interest in ensuring that you receive the best& appropriate treatment, you are being treated in her home city so there should be an element of continuity of care as the years pass....It's not a bad position to be in. However it does differ from that of most dental tourists', reliant on company reps who are trained in PR& working on commission.
Also, regarding implants, you should be provided with a "passport" of sorts, detailing the manufacturer/material/components/dimensions, so that these can be sourced& tracked if ever needs be.
Hope all goes well for you.

Dianthus-Thanks for that.

This is the point I have been trying to make here, and you have said what I failed to.

On the implants-I have the passports attached to my final x-ray.

[Deleted User]

Just throwing in my tuppence worth ;

I had a lot of dental issues over the years , nothing extreme but plenty of fillings and a crown or two. In the last 10 years I began to need further treatment. As I live in Meath, Northern Ireland was very close and the exchange rate was very favourable (then!).
I went to a dentist in the North and got an implant with bone graft, a bridge, and a lot more crowns. This wasnt cheap but it was cheaper than work in the Republic. The standard of his work was excellent. His wife is the peridontist so I had the bone graft in a separate part of the surgery rather than hospital. The whole set up was pristine and looked like a small hospital anyway.

I have never regretted it and the work has been of the highest standard possible. Nothing broke, nothing fell out, I was only an hour away if I needed follow up care, it has been the best money spent!

luckily in the last year I have needed no work done .... now sterling is so much stronger it's a relief. I may register with a new state of the art local surgery recently set up 5 minutes from my house and see what their prices and service is like. If I don't like it I will go back to my dentist in the North. You get what you pay for and my teeth are one thing I won't take chances with.

Makood

quote=Kynlee Glamorous Underachiever]Time will tell. Nobody here will remember in 5 years about your thread, and nobody here cares half as much as you think they do. If you never had to money for private dentistry in ireland then your no loss to any of the private dentists here. The only person who will gain or suffer is you.[/quote]

An insightful, and very clear statement from a medical professional, yet again. It's clear with all your lengthy posts to the contrary, that you don't care about those who cannot afford your (or Irish) treatment. Fitz. You are letting yourself down, as a professional, with your last few posts.

[Deleted User]

I agreed Makood ....some of the comments I've read from Fitzgeme seem very unprofessional , arrogant and would actually put me off Irish dentists . He is actually doing his profession no favours with his condescending, patronising comments . I'm very surprised at his tone with you.
You're giving a good insight into low cost dental treatment in Hungary (is it ?). You're being honest and you're not touting for business ...I think it's good for people to know your experience . It's not for everyone , I wouldn't risk it , but best of luck and I hope you get a great result !!

Makood

Thanks a lot sweetmaggie. Not Hungary, it's in Ukraine, where my wife is from and in her local dental hospital and clinic. I posted a comparison of treatments from a hungarian dentist last night to what I am currently getting but it was ignored.

Yes it's low cost but I'm sorry I ever mentioned prices as it was never the intention to compare as I said in my OP.

I came to the wrong forum for my story.

But, if nothing else, its showing what is thought of us by some.

A lot of good work and free advice can be undone in a few careless posts.

[Deleted User]

Makood wrote: »

Thanks a lot sweetmaggie. Not Hungary, it's in Ukraine, where my wife is from and in her local dental hospital and clinic. I posted a comparison of treatments from a hungarian dentist last night to what I am currently getting but it was ignored.

Yes it's low cost but I'm sorry I ever mentioned prices as it was never the intention to compare as I said in my OP.

I came to the wrong forum for my story.

But, if nothing else, its showing what is thought of us by some.

A lot of good work and free advice can be undone in a few careless posts.

Keep posting . That's what Boards is for! What's wrong with discussing different
costs, treatment, good/bad experiences ? If my partner was from the Ukraine & I had a reason to travel there a lot I'd have got some dental treatment there too.
By the way crowns break, fillings fall out no matter what country you get work done ...they're not guaranteed for life . So far so good with all of mine.
Hope it all works out .

Makood

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Stheno

Deleted User wrote: »

Keep posting . That's what Boards is for! What's wrong with discussing different
costs, treatment, good/bad experiences ? If my partner was from the Ukraine & I had a reason to travel there a lot I'd have got some dental treatment there too.
By the way crowns break, fillings fall out no matter what country you get work done ...they're not guaranteed for life . So far so good with all of mine.
Hope it all works out .

As a layperson, and one who fairly detests the necessity of having to go near a dentist, I'd say a few things about the dentists on here.

1. They are actually very helpful, I posted about an experience I had as a patient with an Irish dentist, and both on the public forum and in pms several of them took the time to ask questions and give me a decent explanation as to what had happened and why, and yes they were very blunt in pointing out that I had a part to play in what happened which I accepted, but I got a sound and fair technical explanation of what did happen, which helped me understand it better, and probably ended up in my not going into the dentist concerned and flying off the handle unnecessarily. No one required them to take the time and effort to do that, particularly as I was being negative about an Irish dentist etc, they could simply have closed ranks. And as a lurker on here, I've seen them do the same time and time again.

2. These guys are profesionnals who imo go over and above, they do full day in their clinics, then come on and post here in the main imo to help people and give some guidance.

3. The fallout from dental tourism in the past few years is now starting to be seen, about every six months there has been an article in the media from various dental bodies and dentists all over Ireland talking about the negatives, not in cases such as Makoods who has the advantage of local knowledge in Ukraine, but in the case of two weeks in turkey/hungary replacing half your teeth. On one google search I found six articles across four different publications on the issue alone. If I was a dentist dealing with it regularly as some of the dentists here seem to be, I'd be pretty negative too. Imagine a patient coming in, who thought they were getting the best deal they could, who now has severe issues, and no recourse, having to spend again, and possibly more? What professional wants to tell someone that the choice they made caused this problem? I'd wager none.

Edit: for transparency purposes, I don't know a single of the dentists on here, couldn't tell you their name, where they practice etc.