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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread VII: The Fan-base Awakens

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There has been an awakening ... Have you felt it?

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Journeyman_1

I can't understand why some people come into a dedicated team thread with only the intent to attack any, real or perceived, weakness. Is it total hatred, ignorance or mere trolling?

On an aside, the Ignore List is actually very useful

brokenhooker

irishbucsfan wrote: »

No backup outhalf yes, but the other problems, not really. There's plenty of skills available and even more coming through in the younger players.

Leinster could pretty easily be top of the league on Monday morning. That's pretty decent.

the maul has been ****e all season.
there is a major lack of skill or at least an unwillingness to play with skill and ambition. Where are these highly skilled young backs? because bar ringrose they aren't making an impact or look to be pushing their less skilled elders.
and there is very little decision makers/creative players which is highlighted when sexton is missing but also is a problem when he is there.

and they could easily lose to a poor munster side.

irishbucsfan

brokenhooker wrote: »

what are leinster's failings so? cause they aren't talked about much here.

no backup outhalf, poor maul, poor skill level 1-15, poor decision making/inteliigence are some.

No backup outhalf yes, but the other problems, not really. There's plenty of skills available and even more coming through in the younger players.

Leinster could pretty easily be top of the league on Monday morning. That's pretty decent.

brokenhooker

former total wrote: »

What kicked all this off was me suggesting that Leinster would be favourites against Munster on Saturday night, brokenhooker took massive exception to that.

Well...

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/rugby-union/guinness-pro-12/Leinster-v-Munster-10389434.html

No i didn't, I simply said that leinster are an average team and that we could easily lose to another average team like Munster next weekend.

brokenhooker

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Because you're not discussing anything. You're just whinging. Everybody knows where Leinster's failings are, the difference is that the rest of us are taking a more optimistic view of things given the position the province is in and the difficulties in running a league campaign with half the squad missing for half the season so far and a new coaching team.

what are leinster's failings so? cause they aren't talked about much here.

no backup outhalf, poor maul, poor skill level 1-15, poor decision making/inteliigence are some.

former total

What kicked all this off was me suggesting that Leinster would be favourites against Munster on Saturday night, brokenhooker took massive exception to that.

Well...

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/rugby-union/guinness-pro-12/Leinster-v-Munster-10389434.html

CMOTDibbler

brokenhooker wrote: »

it's a discussion board, am I supposed to blindly ignore how leinster are playing in attack and not try to discuss it here?

bizarre that a person who comes to a discussion forum seems to have a problem with discussion.

Because you're not discussing anything. You're just whinging. Everybody knows where Leinster's failings are, the difference is that the rest of us are taking a more optimistic view of things given the position the province is in and the difficulties in running a league campaign with half the squad missing for half the season so far and a new coaching team.

brokenhooker

sheep? wrote: »

Don't apologise for who you are!

I think you should write a letter to Leo, explain your worries about the quality of Leinster's attacking play.

Send him pic of Pat Lam and a note, saying "Be more like this guy".

Also a bottle of champagne, I'm sure he'll get the hint.

it's a discussion board, am I supposed to blindly ignore how leinster are playing in attack and not try to discuss it here?

bizarre that a person who comes to a discussion forum seems to have a problem with discussion.

sheep?

brokenrecord wrote: »

sorry if im not some sheep who refuses to acknowledge reality.

Don't apologise for who you are!

I think you should write a letter to Leo, explain your worries about the quality of Leinster's attacking play.

Send him pic of Pat Lam and a note, saying "Be more like this guy".

Also a bottle of champagne, I'm sure he'll get the hint.

[Deleted User]

brokenhooker wrote: »

Since when should Leinster be relying on getting an Italian team to ensure qualification from the group?

How we have fallen.

Yes, Leinster have fallen. Nobody is denying that.

[Deleted User]

I really,really,really hope that The Lost Sheep or Dave_The_Sheep are the next posters in this thread.

brokenhooker

sheep? wrote: »

You need to change the 'hooker' part of your name to 'record' mate.

sorry if im not some sheep who refuses to acknowledge reality.

sheep?

You need to change the 'hooker' part of your name to 'record' mate.

brokenhooker

Shame Murray can't write something similar about leinster

http://www.the42.ie/analysis-connacht-leinster-guinness-pro12-2688369-Mar2016/

[Deleted User]

brokenhooker wrote: »

Since when should Leinster be relying on getting an Italian team to ensure qualification from the group?

How we have fallen.

Relying on? No one said anything like this. Actually Leinster typically did well when we had tougher groups.

But it's logical to want a better seeding and ultimately an easier group.

Anyway, you're only interested in attacking and not discussing so will leave it there with you.

brokenhooker

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not sure we really made much of a run at Europe this year. I doubt we discounted it, but I think the focus was a good league finish.

With so many former champions and Wasps in terrific form this season, it's probably the most competitive group in European Rugby history and by a bit of a margin as well.

If we get a good seeding this year we might get a softer run in and maybe even (if were really lucky) get a group with one of the Italian teams where there are always guaranteed two qualifiers.

Since when should Leinster be relying on getting an Italian team to ensure qualification from the group?

How we have fallen.

[Deleted User]

I'm not sure we really made much of a run at Europe this year. I doubt we discounted it, but I think the focus was a good league finish.

With so many former champions and Wasps in terrific form this season, it's probably the most competitive group in European Rugby history and by a bit of a margin as well.

If we get a good seeding this year we might get a softer run in and maybe even (if were really lucky) get a group with one of the Italian teams where there are always guaranteed two qualifiers.

DGRulz

Not to mention that we should end up with a pretty decent seeding for Europe.

dub_skav

"You are what your record says you are" - Bill Parcells

In a season hugely disrupted by World Cup and 6 nations, with an entirely new coaching staff in place, Leinster are one of the best teams in the league and in fine position to finish strong with all players finally available to choose from.

Even BrokenHooker admits (indirectly) that Leinster are a better attacking team with Sexton in place. So, having had; no Sexton, an out of form Sexton and no Sexton for most of the season, we now get to start him for the run in and he looked good in his last few games for Ireland.

We have given significant playing time and exposure to Van der Flier, Leavy, Ringrose, Molony, Byrne, McGrath etc and are now going to re-integrate McGrath, Strauss, Ross, Toner, Heaslip, Reddan, Sexton and Rob.

I am very optimistic, both for the end of this season and for next year. We get to see what Dempsey, Fogarty, McQuilkin and Cullen can do with newly battle hardened youngsters plus seasoned internationals.

I love rugby in all its forms; from free-flowing end to end try fests, through tactical defensive battles, scrum masterclasses, pinpoint accurate kick tennis all the way to the unrivalled beauty of a well executed rolling maul.
Great rugby offers something for everybody, a single style is not really for me.

I see plenty of scope for optimism that we will be able for a multi style game being executed by young up and comers and familiar faces all operating together.

Sure, we fell a bit flat in the Heineken Cup, but that really came a bit too early for Cullen and even at that we pushed Toulon close twice, beat Bath at home and were very close to them away and while we were well beaten by Wasps twice, the home game is the only one that we should regret and that was less than a month removed from a gutting World Cup for the majority of the squad.
I have confidence that we will be far more competitive in that next year too.

I am a hopeless optimist that will always see the positives in my team. But to be honest, I'd rather that than be the Chicken Lickin sky is falling type for whom the next disaster just hasn't been spotted yet.

DGRulz

Personally, I've seen enough from us this season to be positive enough about the Pro12 and Europe next season. If Leo and Co. can get a good pre-season with the majority of our top and new guys we should be well up there in both competitions. Keep in mind that we basically only had the As and wider senior squad for pre-season this year.

[Deleted User]

I'm convinced some posters use this forum as an outlet to practice their debating skills. They choose a motion and have to find any piece of evidence to support it, often twisting statistics.

I've been happy enough with Leinster this season. There was a massive downward curve that has plateaued. We couldn't compete in Europe unsurprisingly but we've been far better in the league this year. There has been a handful of vintage performances that reminded me of Leinster of old. I'm optimistic.

[Deleted User]

Being Frank (can I still be Garth?) we have been pretty meh this year. I don't see any issue in pointing that out.

We've had some scores out of nothing from good individual moments, and we've scored some good team tries, but I don't think we've been particularly prolific at anything really!

We're currently second in the Pro12 with a decent run in and should be making the play offs. Still in with a shot at silverware even though we've not really hit any real heights for the season.

Which for an optimist bodes well for next season if you think that we can get going. And as a pessimist bodes poorly for next season if you think that we face more of the same, but probably not quite the results we've had this.

neelia11

brokenhooker wrote: »

Never said Connacht were a great side, they are average. But at least they play with some ambition and skill.

Leinster are a blunt attacking team who try to overpower teams and often fail against teams that are half decent, we are lucky we played a weakened glasgow side because we would have likely been exposed. Our attack was exposed last weekend against a poor defensive side where we looked clueless and played dumb one out rugby with little skill on show.

And for all connachts supposed skill and ambition they scored ONCE in two games against leinster. In the last three inter pros they played they have scored one try (converted) and one penalty. Leinster have issues in attack but a lot of it comes down to a lack of continuity. I expect that to change next season with the squad together through pre season and playing together a lot more.

sydthebeat

brokenhooker wrote: »

Leinster are struggling for form all year,

??

they are in much the same position as they were in 2014 when they won the league ?? only won one less game at this stage of the season....

brokenhooker

DGRulz wrote: »

Ah yes, the Toulon games where we had the beating of them for 90% of the match only to be over powered by their bench. Definitely speaks to the attractive rugby played at high intensity and skill they showed in those game.

Morale victories, yay.. what a great time to be a leinster fan.

brokenhooker

neelia11 wrote: »

The 4 Irish sides are in the top 5 in the pro 12. Connacht have managed a total of 28 points in 4 games. They have conceded 41. For all the talk of connacht's attacking prowess, they have struggled against the other irish sides so far this season. Averaging 7 points a game.

Never said Connacht were a great side, they are average. But at least they play with some ambition and skill.

Leinster are a blunt attacking team who try to overpower teams and often fail against teams that are half decent, we are lucky we played a weakened glasgow side because we would have likely been exposed. Our attack was exposed last weekend against a poor defensive side where we looked clueless and played dumb one out rugby with little skill on show.

DGRulz

brokenhooker wrote: »

They'd all beat Leinster and in the case of Wasps/Toloun did.
Leinster are miles off their peak and don't look like getting back there under the current setup. Hopefully Sexton can give the team some direction again because they are floundering at the moment, often lacking basic skill and rugby intelligence. The bluntness in how Leinster attack is depressing as a fan of attractive rugby played at high intensity and with skill.

Ah yes, the Toulon games where we had the beating of them for 90% of the match only to be over powered by their bench. Definitely speaks to the attractive rugby played at high intensity and skill they showed in those game.

whatawaster

brokenhooker wrote: »

A glasgow B side and a defensively poor team.

I can't see how anyone with any ambition for leinster rugby can defend our recent attacking performances.

Glasgow B side perhaps, but did Leinster have all their star names, or where they perhaps missing as many if not more first team players?

neelia11

brokenhooker wrote: »

Both are decent sides but nothing great in comparison to club sides throughout europe. Leinster are just as average, better in defense but worse in attack. Just as poor skill wise as Munster, worse than Connacht.

The 4 Irish sides are in the top 5 in the pro 12. Connacht have managed a total of 28 points in 4 games. They have conceded 41. For all the talk of connacht's attacking prowess, they have struggled against the other irish sides so far this season. Averaging 7 points a game.

CMOTDibbler

brokenhooker wrote: »

Leinster only managed 12 points, against a Glasgow B side and a defensively poor Connacht side who recently conceded 34 points to Zebre.

That was Leinster B as well against Glasgow and for 60 minutes against Connacht. :rolleyes: