[Deleted User] wrote: » Hey all would really appreciate thoughts/people to weigh in on the below I am getting braces with a dental practice and have a number of aligners to go through, I am not even a quarter of the way through. Here is the issue, every appointment has been cancelled and rescheduled (except the appointment where money was required up front of course!) this was not such a problem however now that my aligners are running out and after appointment to collect my next set of braces was cancelled twice, I am losing my patience. The reason for cancellations is meetings, dentist is not around and promotional events. I am guessing all of the cancellations were actually due to promotional events and my appointments have been given to prospective clients. Its especially frustrating when I am told in situations where I will run out of aligners to keep old ones in which means my treatment wont finish when it should. I pay each month by direct debit. Any insight on what I can do? I am afraid this will be a constant issue for the rest of my treatment and would rather switch to another dentist.
Oral Surgeon wrote: » I would simply speak to the dentist or practice manager and point out that X number of appointment have been cancelled for no apparent reason and that your treatment has been delayed by y number of weeks as a result. Ask if these cancellations are likely to occur again and if so why??!! Ask that they make appointment and stick to them in future....
Nicholas Acidic Toxin wrote: » Sounds unacceptable to me, when an appointment is cancelled (which happens from time to time) it should be rearraged asap not a month later. For them to admit they are more interested in new patients than in existing paying patients is very odd. Express your annoyance in the strongest way possible, if you get no resolution demand a refund and go elsewhere (ideally a place with a orthodontist that does less promotion and more time treating of patients)
[Deleted User] wrote: » Thanks for your reply! I suppose I am confused about what rights I have here. As in I am unsure if I have a right to request a refund or request to be transferred to another practice. I have sent an email to the practice and am awaiting on a reply. I have also sent an email to the Dental Council of Ireland and am awaiting a response. I suppose this practice thinks patients might not realise they can finish treatment elsewhere and by giving consults to prospective clients means more money for them
davo10 wrote: » Op, though you can of course elect to have the treatment finished elsewhere, there is no guarantee that another dentist will take on ortho treatment started by someone else nor complete it at the same price you were quoted by your current dentist. Is this a case where the dentist providing the treatment is not based full time at the clinic you attend by rather visits there every month? This is not unusual as often there is not enough ortho patients for a full time clinician outside large urban areas.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Hi Davo10, no the dentist is there full time 5 days per weeks with two late evenings a week. I work full time and can only make evening appointments. On the phone when cancelling my appointments the receptionist always moans that they could fit me in anytime but evenings fill up fast and is there any way I can do days, bearing in mind I had booked these appointments and thats no problem when booking but when it comes to them phoning me to cancel they make out I am the inconvenience because I can only do days. I am not willing to take holidays from work for rescheduled appointments because my evening appointments are given to other prospective patients. I understand what you mean about problems regarding price difference etc by switching clinic. I am in despair and have lost faith in the whole process.
Deleted User wrote: » The reason for cancellations is meetings, dentist is not around and promotional events. I am guessing all of the cancellations were actually due to promotional events and my appointments have been given to prospective clients.
davo10 wrote: » Ah, now that is a different slant on the story. I can tell you that this happens to me, I recently had a hairdresser write me a very narky letter because I couldn't see her on a particular Monday when she was off, but we did offer to slot her in between patients on the Tuesday morning. It is understandable that evening appointments book up far in advance, they are the most popular for the reasons you outlined yourself. I can tell you that you will get short shrift from the Dental Council when the clinic explain that they offered you an appointment at a different time a few days later.
digzy wrote: » Sorry...but something isn't adding up here. I can count on one hand the number of times I've cancelled patients. Usually dentists cancel due to a funeral, illness, new arrival (personal)or else it's due to a technical issue with the equipment or lab stuff not back (dental). I find it baffling that any dental practice would basically fcuk you off from an appointment mid treatment to see someone else.....and admit it!
Hillmanhunter1 wrote: » Here is a guide to how to make a complaint:http://www.healthcomplaints.ie/resources/how-to-complain/
Stheno wrote: » That doesn't appear to relate to dental matters?
Hillmanhunter1 wrote: » It is generic, but it sets out the three main steps, complain to the provider (in writing, if it isn't written down it didn't happen), complain to the regulator, and finally recourse to law.
davo10 wrote: » Because they cancelled an appointment and couldn't give the op another one at a time that suited after work for a couple of weeks? They offered another time a few days later. That would make an interesting legal case, court hearings often get cancelled/rescheduled at the last moment so I would imagine a Judge would be on a bit of a bind if he said dentists couldn't cancel appointments, but courts/judges/solicitors can.
Hillmanhunter1 wrote: » I think you fundamentally mis-understand the nature of statutory complaints processes. The recourse to law is there only for constitutional reasons. Article 34.1 states that: "Justice shall be administered in courts established by law..." The effect of this is that the decisions of every complaints process overseen by a statutory regulator must be capable of being appealed to the courts. But it is important to remember that the statutory complaints processes themselves are not court processes and the standards of courts do not apply. Concepts such as treating customers fairly, and the reasonable expectations of customers, are given significant weight.
davo10 wrote: » Have you a link to some case law/decision of the courts/complaints commision on cancellation and rescheduling of appointments? This is not a case of refusal to treat or discrimination, the op was asked if she could attend at an earlier time, if so she would be given an appointment a few days later. Please post a link if you do.
Hillmanhunter1 wrote: » As you well know (or at least I hope you do) the decisions of the Dental Complaints Resolution Service (DCRS) are not published. However the DCRS does stand willing to deal with complaints arising from a number of issues. From their website: Examples of the sorts of complaint we can look into include: • receiving the wrong treatment or poor treatment; • poor communication between you and the dentist; • the dentist not making clear how much you have to pay for treatment; • a delay that could have been avoided; • faulty procedures, or the dentist failing to follow correct procedures; • the dentist being unfair or biased; • being given misleading or inadequate advice; • the dentist being rude or not apologising for mistakes; and • the dentist not putting things right when something has gone wrong. On the face of it several of these criteria might be relevant to the OPs complaint. The great thing about an independent complaints process is that it is not for you or I to second guess how they chose to do their job.
You are right to be frustrated by the cancellation of your appointments GNPinkx. This issue seems somewhat unprofessional practice, and you deserve better treatment from your dentist. There may not be much you can do about this directly, but you should consider switching dentists if this behavior continues. Good luck!
Linda Hawk
dental practice manager
The Dental Practice Management Agency
In reply as a general dentist, it is not the 66 minutes you are really paying for, it is the 5 years undergraduate training (and costs involved) followed by a further 2-3 years postgraduate training fees (and living costs etc) and for the knowledge and experience they have.
As a general dentist the costs of equipment we have I would consider more than a general medical practitioner, also a lot of the running costs of a GP practice are subidised by the HSE which dentistry cannot avail of, this includes professional indemnity costs, clinical waste disposal , employment of nurses and admin staff, pensions etc etc
Check the date of the op guys, I’d say the op is sorted by now.
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