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Warning to women and men - both victims and potential perpetrators.

TheHillOfDoom

I am 38. I've heard about date rape drugs. I've maintained the stance that I must have had my drink spiked in my ill-spent youth. In reality, I had just drank shorts on top of pints.

Last night however, I was drugged. I was drugged and my partner was drugged.

At about 11.30, we were doing the highland swing together (or some version of what you do 6 pints in). Grand job. Lovely hurling.

We had been rotating going out for cigarettes, to guard the well-filled wallets etc. as you do. But, when we both took to the dancefloor, our drinks were unguarded.

Anyway, about 2 minutes later, partner drinking guinness, buckled. (Cynic that I am, I was thinking the ****er is after downing whiskys.) Anyway - other man in bar agrees to escort him the 100 feet to the flat. I go in, down last of my drink and follow.

Now - to return to the flat is maybe 40 feet, turn the corner, 20 feet, turn the corner and 40 feet.

However.............

Somewhere on the last 40 feet, whatever drugged me hit me. I could see the man and my partner just turning in, but I didn't know what was happening so didn't call out (had no idea that I might need to!).

I vividly remember trying to claw with my nails onto the wall. That didn't work, my legs didn't work and I was on the pavement. I tried to crawl, my arms didn't have any strength, my legs I could not feel. I tried to find my phone in handbag, my arms stopped moving.

Apparently, I lay for 2 hours in the pouring rain in London, in a gutter. It seems to me like 10 minutes, but I must have passed out, so I don't even remember the cold.

I remember shouting Help help help and a man with brown skin coming and me saying ambulance. He vanished after that and I kept saying 'please come back'. Probably fell unconcsious again, but my lovely brown-skinned stranger obviously called an ambulance.

Ambulance came and when I was brought to hospital my temperature was 31 degrees. I remember them talking about it reaching 33 degrees and then some sort of round of applause when I reached 36.4.

SO

To men and women. Trust NAE ****er.

To potential perpetrators? 15 minutes longer, I'd have been dead and you'd be looking at a sentence for murder.

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Cathy.C

It's not 'till Friday, OP, Friday.

suicide_circus

Get up on your surfboard

Wibbs

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

I actually used to claim my drink must have been spiked or something while suffering the after effects of beer plus shots for e.g.

Hmmm.

I really honestly could not give two ****es about the naysayers. I have however got a god-daughter who has just entered uni. I also know that a lot of young people read this board. This is meant as much as a warning to a would-be 'haha let's drug her pint' as to the '****in auld wans haven't a clue'.

Your god daughter is by more than a goodly margin far more likely to get wasted on drink she buys herself, than from any phantom spiker. As I say it makes for a great urban legend and boogieman and certainly does happen from time to time, but for the vast majority of cases and evidence backs this up, it's a nonsense. And excuse.

ectoraige

suicide_circus wrote: »

Get up on your surfboard

Is it a high seahorse surfboard? I haven't really been paying attention.

SEPT 23 1989

Saying you had a "bad pint" is much more dignified than this load of old codswallop

TheHillOfDoom

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Saying you had a "bad pint" is much more dignified than this load of old codswallop

Whenever I've used that old nugget, it's usually when I have woken up the next day puking. Funnily enough it's never 'I'm never drinking again' but rather 'I'm never drinking THERE again'.

osarusan

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

I really honestly could not give two ****es about the naysayers. I have however got a god-daughter who has just entered uni. I also know that a lot of young people read this board. This is meant as much as a warning to a would-be 'haha let's drug her pint' as to the '****in auld wans haven't a clue'.

If what you've described happened to you as you described it, then I've nothing but sympathy for you.

But your refusal to go to the police both baffles and angers me.

There might have been a string of people in pubs in that area all suffering the same thing, but if none of them bother going to the police, how can any investigation/action be taken?

Your god-daughter starting university? You going to the police for tests would be a small but significant effort to actually serve as a warning to the would-be-druggers out there - but you won't go.

TheHillOfDoom

The police treat you like a time-waster unless you have something they can use to prosecute. If I went to them, I would receive the exact same response as I have received here - nice story, well told - now go home and stop talking ****e and drink less in the future. That's just fact.

Quite aside from that, every bloody musle in my arms/legs/neck/chest feel like I ran 10k out of the blue all of a sudden.

I remember desperately trying to move/stand up/crawl, but nothing happened? Can't understand the muscle pain to be honest - unless hypothermia does that to you?

maudgonner

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

The police treat you like a time-waster unless you have something they can use to prosecute. If I went to them, I would receive the exact same response as I have received here - nice story, well told - now go home and stop talking ****e and drink less in the future. That's just fact.

How do you know? Have you been through this before?

It seems to me that even if all you do is log a complaint and it goes no further, at least it will be on someone's radar. They'll know that there have been reports of trouble in this pub before and will be more inclined to take any future complaints seriously.

Isn't that worth the little of your time it would take to report it?

IvyTheTerrible

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

The police treat you like a time-waster unless you have something they can use to prosecute. If I went to them, I would receive the exact same response as I have received here - nice story, well told - now go home and stop talking ****e and drink less in the future. That's just fact.

Quite aside from that, every bloody musle in my arms/legs/neck/chest feel like I ran 10k out of the blue all of a sudden. I remember desperately trying to move/stand up/crawl, but nothing happened? Can't understand the muscle pain to be honest - unless hypothermia does that to you?

That's not true. They take a note of a report even if it's not actionable, so that if something similar happens/happened in the same area or whatever, it's not dismissed as a one off or a lie.

Esel

Has your OH complained of any localised muscle pain?

I'm talking alien abduction, btw...

TheHillOfDoom

maudgonner wrote: »

How do you know? Have you been through this before?

It seems to me that even if all you do is log a complaint and it goes no further, at least it will be on someone's radar. They'll know that there have been reports of trouble in this pub before and will be more inclined to take any future complaints seriously.

Isn't that worth the little of your time it would take to report it?

It's not going on anyones radar. Not until there is a death. Do you think they're going to do forensics on a Paddy claiming that their drink was spiked? They will in their holes! A lot of you have an idealistic view of the crime world where crime+police=criminal brought to justice. Try dealing with the police just one time, for that phone theft etc., just one time and report back.

secondrowgal

Shenanigans!

TheHillOfDoom

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

That's not true. They take a note of a report even if it's not actionable, so that if something similar happens/happened in the same area or whatever, it's not dismissed as a one off or a lie.

Why do you need a similar incident in order to not be dismissed as a one off (two in this case) or a lie?

Wibbs

osarusan wrote: »

But your refusal to go to the police both baffles and angers me.

It doesn't baffle me so much O. The telling of a spooky ghost story is more fun, grows in the telling and gets more attention than actually investigating and finding out the floorboards are creaking because of a change in the weather.

IvyTheTerrible wrote:

That's not true. They take a note of a report even if it's not actionable, so that if something similar happens/happened in the same area or whatever, it's not dismissed as a one off or a lie.

Of course Ivy, but that would require some effort and some reality to the whole thing. I can say this much, if I suspected me, or a friend, or partner were purposely drugged and ended up in hospital from it I'd make damn sure the docs took samples for future reference and I'd be around to the cops to report it. If police don't take things seriously, it's usually because people don't take things seriously enough and follow through on their claims.

Edward Hopper

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

It's not going on anyones radar. Not until there is a death. Do you think they're going to do forensics on a Paddy claiming that their drink was spiked? They will in their holes! A lot of you have an idealistic view of the crime world where crime+police=criminal brought to justice. Try dealing with the police just one time, for that phone theft etc., just one time and report back.

I'm sure you've read all the posts suggesting you go to the police, plenty there that don't expect you to have any forensics. Just report it, no idea why your wouldn't. Nothing idealistic.

Unless you posted for a Facebook style response. If you did:

U OK hun?

ChampagnePop

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

It's not going on anyones radar. Not until there is a death. Do you think they're going to do forensics on a Paddy claiming that their drink was spiked? They will in their holes! A lot of you have an idealistic view of the crime world where crime+police=criminal brought to justice. Try dealing with the police just one time, for that phone theft etc., just one time and report back.

What if someone has already died from it but the police don't know that they were spiked? Why would you hear about a drunk dying in London?

Your attitude is bizarre

Even if the police officer taking your statement doesn't take it seriously, at least it would be on file for any other officer to look at.

TheHillOfDoom

Wibbs wrote: »

It doesn't baffle me so much O. The telling of a spooky ghost story is more fun and gets more attention than actually investigating and finding out the floorboards are creaking because of a change in the weather.

Of course Ivy, but that would require some effort and some reality to the whole thing. I can say this much, if I suspected me, or a friend, or partner were purposely drugged and ended up in hospital from it I'd make damn sure the docs took samples for future reference and I'd be around to the cops to report it. If police don't take things seriously, it's usually because people don't take things seriously enough and follow through on their claims.

And you would find that they won't take samples. They'll just take a statement. Nobody died. They're not going to request CCTV footage (not that there is any), no more than they are going to interview everyone in the pub (they can barely find the resources for that in murder cases). God above, some of you live in ideal worlds in your heads!

[Deleted User]

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

A lot of you have an idealistic view of the crime world where crime+police=criminal brought to justice. Try dealing with the police just one time, for that phone theft etc., just one time and report back.

HoD, you may be losing the audience at this rate.

You should at least pretend that you will take the whole thing very seriously and will go to the police. Then you see the rest of it might take it seriously too. It would just make the whole thing that bit more...credible.

Esel

See my post above.

Just report it. It will go on record, as said by other posters. You are not asking for an investigation.

Advise your god-daughter to go easy on the pre-drinks, and on the shots.

[Deleted User]

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

And you would find that they won't take samples. They'll just take a statement. Nobody died. They're not going to request CCTV footage (not that there is any), no more than they are going to interview everyone in the pub (they can barely find the resources for that in murder cases). God above, some of you live in ideal worlds in your heads!

I can't talk for the police in the UK, but here it is extremely standard that the Gardaí will request the CCTV from a pub for any assault type case. In fact, to the point where the non availability of CCTV is grounds to seek a dismissal of a case on the basis that it might contain exculpatory evidence.

I know you may be down on the forces, and maybe the UK is different, but that's the real world, not ideal at all.

TheHillOfDoom

Esel wrote: »

See my post above.

Just report it. It will go on record, as said by other posters. You are not asking for an investigation.

Advise your god-daughter to go easy on the pre-drinks, and on the shots.

Esel - on one hand, you're saying report it. On the other hand you're implying that alcohol was the cause. Make up your mind.

TheHillOfDoom

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't talk for the police in the UK, but here it is extremely standard that the Gardaí will request the CCTV from a pub for any assault type case. In fact, to the point where the non availability of CCTV is grounds to seek a dismissal of a case on the basis that it might contain exculpatory evidence.

I know you may be down on the forces, and maybe the UK is different, but that's the real world, not ideal at all.

They'll do that when they have a suspect in custody and the DPP requests it as evidence.

SnakePlissken

Come on guys you're being far too cynical, we all know London has the least amount of CCTV cameras per capita than any other city on the planet... Oh wait.

smash

Is boards facebook now? The OP was just short of a closing statement similar to "Like and share if you hate people who spike drinks".

VisibleGorilla

Go to a hospital and get blood tests done to confirm you have some other substance than alcohol in your system.

Statistics say you were just drunk.

TheHillOfDoom

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

Go to a hospital and get blood tests done to confirm you have some other substance than alcohol in your system.

Statistics say you were just drunk.

Read the ****ing thread.

Esel

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

Esel - on one hand, you're saying report it. On the other hand you're implying that alcohol was the cause. Make up your mind.

Yes, I'm saying report it.

No, I'm not implying anything.

My mind is open to all possibilities.

Excluding alien abduction, of course.

TheHillOfDoom

Grand job. I'm off down to the old constabulary to report the tale of the two paddies who had their drinks spiked. Should make for a good guffaw around doughnut time.

speedboatchase

Something similar happened to me and a friend last year (both male). We were drinking the same drink, and quite merry at this stage, when suddenly something kicked in. I only remember throwing up for a very long time and then trying not to pass out in a taxi home.

The next morning, I sent a message on Facebook chat to my friend to apologise for leaving without notice, and I mentioned what happened to me. He hadn't read my message but sent me a nearly identical message on WhatsApp an hour later, apologising for leaving without explanation. He said his wife had never seen him in as bad a state.

I didn't report anything because I live in a Muslim country and I have no idea how things might have played out, especially if since I still had (most likely) an illegal substance in my system. Bear in mind too that if I had actually passed out in the taxi, I would've been jailed and deported - or worse.

The sad thing is that being male, no one actually believed us, and just think we were making excuses for being too drunk. :rolleyes: