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Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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SomethingElse

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Its possible that 4 teams could finish of 6 pts with one going to the playoffs and one being relegated.

If Cork lose and Mayo and Monaghan win Cork will be gone.

Mayo have to win by one point more than Monaghan win by to be 100% safe.

Cork and Donegal would have to lose and Mayo would have to overturn a 25 pts deficit on Donegal to get to a SF.

Mayo can still lose and stay up if Monaghan also lose.

Mayo are 100% safe if they beat Down.

To reach SF, Kerry and Monaghan must win, and Mayo must win by a minimum of 13 points plus rely on points difference from elsewhere. A 13 point win for Monaghan over Donegal would be the most ideal scenario.

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SomethingElse wrote: »

Mayo are 100% safe if they beat Down.

To reach SF, Kerry and Monaghan must win, and Mayo must win by a minimum of 13 points plus rely on points difference from elsewhere. A 13 point win for Monaghan over Donegal would be the most ideal scenario.

If Cork win they finish on 8 - Safe.

If Monaghan win by 2 for example they have 6 and a points diff of -10
Since Monaghan win by 2 therefore Donegal lose by 2, leaving them with 6 and a points diff of +11
If Mayo win by 1 then they have 6 and a points diff of -11.

When more than two teams are tied then scoring difference is the tie breaker, and with Monaghan, Donegal and Mayo all on 6, Mayo go down with worse scoring difference.

So Mayo must win by at least a point more than Monaghan to be sure to be sure.

davegrohl48

Thoughts on the full backline?
- Cafferkey seems main organiser
- They still conceded a score/free to a high percentage of what was a small amount of attacks in the 70 minutes.
I'd be going with Higgins Cafferkey Keane.
It still doesnt look to have enough size with:
Harrison Cafferkey Barrett or
Higgins Cafferkey Harrison/Barrett.
Hence why I'd play Keane in the corner to add some size.

nice_guy80

If you take the illegal goal for 15 steps out of it, it was only a 1 point game and Mayo scored 0-3 from play.

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nice_guy80 wrote: »

If you take the illegal goal for 15 steps out of it, it was only a 1 point game and Mayo scored 0-3 from play.

Good to see them convert 7 placed balls without one of the best free takers in the country on the pitch then, init?

davegrohl48

nice_guy80 wrote: »

If you take the illegal goal for 15 steps out of it, it was only a 1 point game and Mayo scored 0-3 from play.

On the flipside are Claffey and his defence going to save/block all four of the other goal chances again? Unlikely.

seligehgit

Is the under 21 final likely to go ahead in the Hyde?Whatever about the financial setback of moving a bumper pay day game against Dublin,I can't see how that final should go ahead on a pitch that is'nt fit for purpose.It is a health and safety risk for the players.

I don't fancy a trip to Kiltoom or Ballinlough but I am hoping for a big performance from our lads.

seligehgit

PressRun wrote: »

Was it that impressive? I don't really think their keeping it to a four point margin was as much to do with how well they played and more to do with the fact that Mayo dozed off, as they often do. Mayo still need to work on actually closing out a game properly and they could have won it by a lot more, but they were the architects of their own difficulties rather than Roscommon doing anything all that special.

This is a significant and recurring difficulty.

Barlett

nice_guy80 wrote: »

If you take the illegal goal for 15 steps out of it, it was only a 1 point game and Mayo scored 0-3 from play.

You'll be rewriting a lot of games for illegal goals if you go down that road

Rawhead

Real touch of boys and men yesterday. Mayo bossed them off the field. Good to see a solid defensive structure starting to emerge which only gave up a goal after Caff went off. 23 minutes in the first half and 18 minutes in the second before they scored, these fabled forwards must have had an off day, 1-3 from play. We were very wasteful in the first half and really should have hammered them out the gates. Cillian looks like a Sherman tank, Christ he's bulked up even more. To come on in your first game in 7 months and have the cajones to kick a free with the outside of your right boot in those conditions, he should have a small wheel barrow to carry them around...

naughto

Caf was outstanding yesterday I thought before he got hurt does anyone no what happened him?
It's a pity doc doesn't have a left foot as he is turning in to some player he has no fear what's so ever puts he's body in places
That he has no right to win a ball.

PressRun

seligehgit wrote: »

This is a significant and recurring difficulty.

Most definitely. You can almost pinpoint the exact moment it's going to happen in any given match too. They really need to learn how to be more ruthless once they go ahead.

davegrohl48

Rawhead wrote: »

Real touch of boys and men yesterday. Mayo bossed them off the field. Good to see a solid defensive structure starting to emerge which only gave up a goal after Caff went off. 23 minutes in the first half and 18 minutes in the second before they scored, these fabled forwards must have had an off day, 1-3 from play. We were very wasteful in the first half and really should have hammered them out the gates. Cillian looks like a Sherman tank, Christ he's bulked up even more. To come on in your first game in 7 months and have the cajones to kick a free with the outside of your right boot in those conditions, he should have a small wheel barrow to carry them around...

Looking at his build I would say plan now is for Cillian to stay inside. He must be well over 14 stone. I like the idea of Regan and Cillian playing really wide. Then Freeman coming out to 30 and adjusting his position based on the play.
Freeman was opening up space for Diarmuid till someone from team ran towards Diarmuids line. Bringing his marker with him.

Cosmo Kramer

ProudDUB wrote: »

This year, Roscommon were away to Cork, Donegal and Kerry (all counties with excellent home records) and they passed those tests with flying colours. Can't really see next years schedule being a lot less kind to them.

Disagree - they only had three away games and got to play them all early enough on that their opponents weren't up to full speed. As soon as they met a team coming at a game with anything approaching championship intensity they fell flat. In hindsight they'll have learned as little from those Kerry and Cork games as they would have from challenge matches against those teams.

It's really only going to be yesterday's game, next weekends one and their playoff game(s) that they'll be able to gain much from in this league. It's highly unlikely the fixture list will be as kind next year.

Stoner

Cosmo Kramer wrote:

Disagree - they only had three away games and got to play them all early enough on that their opponents weren't up to full speed

That's a fair point, I've made similar arguments about Cork getting the early wins in during recent league outings and how it didn't work out that way for them this year.

mayo.mick

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Well deserved win in atrocious conditions. Regan finally stood up after all the injuries and looked like the championship starter that he can be. Paddy Durcan continues to look the real deal as well. We still look like we'll be a big threat once we get our best team fully fit and on to the field in decent football conditions. Just need to beat Down now and then get ready for the real stuff from June onwards.

Not sure what you can say about the whole Roscommon setup today but I'll try anyway. The Hyde is a ****ehole anyway but today was a new low. Apart from all the standing water it looked like they'd driven 50 laps through it on their bus before throw in. It was like watching that GAA Gold program showing matches from the 1970s on TG4 today.

The game should not have been played on that pitch and there should be no further inter county football played there until such time as both the pitch and spectator facilities are brought up to standard. It's not everyone else's fault they've allowed it to fall into that state and other teams shouldn't have to deal with their issues - if they want to play their own club games in that place, that's fine. They couldn't even put proper communications lines into place for radio broadcasts today.

And for all their shouting their team didn't look anything special either.

[Deleted User]

That's a great image, remember seeing it on the TV and just laughing at the state of the place.

U 21 final will certainly be moved so that the Dublin game can proceed.

ProudDUB

PressRun wrote: »

Was it that impressive? I don't really think their keeping it to a four point margin was as much to do with how well they played and more to do with the fact that Mayo dozed off, as they often do. Mayo still need to work on actually closing out a game properly and they could have won it by a lot more, but they were the architects of their own difficulties rather than Roscommon doing anything all that special.

Yeah, I do think it is impressive. You have to take both teams on their respective merits. One of Roscommons is that they are ready willing and able to go flat out for the full 70 minutes. Mayo have a habit of switching off for long periods of games. I did think that Roscommon came out looking a big flat yesterday. Whether it was the occasion, the pitch, Mayo's physicality, their lack of a midfield, or Mayo bringing championship intensity from the very get go, they seemed a bit taken aback by how the game started. But given what we have seen from them so far, I think yesterdays 'deer in the headlights' start was the exception and not the rule. Coming out a 4 pt loser, was impressive given what they faced. They will have learned a lot from it.

padd b1975

mayo.mick wrote: »

Obviously too much to expect standing water three yards from the sideline to be squeegeed away.

Totally unacceptable.

mayo.mick

padd b1975 wrote: »

Obviously too much to expect standing water three yards from the sideline to be squeegeed away.

Totally unacceptable.

3/4's of the pitch was like that;

Boom__Boom

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Disagree - they only had three away games and got to play them all early enough on that their opponents weren't up to full speed. As soon as they met a team coming at a game with anything approaching championship intensity they fell flat. In hindsight they'll have learned as little from those Kerry and Cork games as they would have from challenge matches against those teams.

It's really only going to be yesterday's game, next weekends one and their playoff game(s) that they'll be able to gain much from in this league. It's highly unlikely the fixture list will be as kind next year.

Overall I'd agree but Cork's recent record in the last few years suggest that their league form is better than their championship speed given the only teams they've beaten in the championship in the last 2 years are Clare, Tipperary and Sligo.

MaroonAndGreen

I think yesterday was a nice reminder of who the big dogs in Connaught are. For all the talk of Roscommon missing players, Mayo had no Keith Higgins or Cillian O'Connor (for most of the game), Barry Moran too, Kevin McLoughlin.

I suspect that Mayo team that played only had 9-10th at most of the championship 15, and still should have won by 12-15 if the shooting boots were in.

seligehgit

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

That's a great image, remember seeing it on the TV and just laughing at the state of the place.

U 21 final will certainly be moved so that the Dublin game can proceed.

They could always concede home advantage and save us a trip.:D Hopefully Diarmuid O Connor will be fit to line out,any news re Ger Caff?Things certainly did go pear shaped when he went off and Diarmuid Murtagh's introduction...

Damn it,set my box to record the game.Wrong day,is the game up on the TG4 player??

padd b1975

seligehgit wrote: »

They could always concede home advantage and save us a trip.:D Hopefully Diarmuid O Connor will be fit to line out,any news re Ger Caff?Things certainly did go pear shaped when he went off and Diarmuid Murtagh's introduction...

Damn it,set my box to record the game.Wrong day,is the game up on the TG4 player??

It's on the Player now.

blowitupref

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Disagree - they only had three away games and got to play them all early enough on that their opponents weren't up to full speed. As soon as they met a team coming at a game with anything approaching championship intensity they fell flat. In hindsight they'll have learned as little from those Kerry and Cork games as they would have from challenge matches against those teams.

It's really only going to be yesterday's game, next weekends one and their playoff game(s) that they'll be able to gain much from in this league. It's highly unlikely the fixture list will be as kind next year.

As a neutral i think some perspective needs to be given for a post like this.

Game 1 was v Monaghan in Kiltoom. It was live on TG4 and was high intensity match played in difficult weather conditions. Roscommon lost that game with a goalkeeping error in injury time. McStay has gone on record since to say that game was proof that Roscommon could compete in Div one.

Game 2 was v Kerry in Killarney. Again this game was live on TG4 another high intensity game played in diffcult weather conditions. Roscommon pulled off the win even though they were a point down at half time having played with the wind.

Game 3 was v Cork in Cork. Didn't see any of this game but it was the stand out result in this years league and the same Cork side beat Mayo pulling up in round 1.

Game 4 was v Down which was played away from home in Longford. I only seen extended highlights of this game but by all accounts Down played 14 men back in this game

Game 5 was v Donegal in Letterkenny the rossies i believe caught Donegal off guard by playing this game on the front foot and i should point out in game 3 Donegal beat Mayo

What was learnt yesterday was Mayo looking to avoid relegation compared to Roscommon already into the league semi final took the game far more serious matter of fact Mayo treated the game yesterday like a championship game with 13 players that featured in the All Ireland semi final last summer.

In summary Div one is a dog eat dog division there is no "kind" fixture list and Roscommon on their return to div one for the first time in 13 year have learned plenty and done incredibly well.

PressRun

seligehgit wrote: »

They could always concede home advantage and save us a trip.:D Hopefully Diarmuid O Connor will be fit to line out,any news re Ger Caff?Things certainly did go pear shaped when he went off and Diarmuid Murtagh's introduction...

It was the groin for Caff. Could see Kevin Keane getting a go the next day.

nice_guy80

It's not very neighbourly to be so critical of Roscommon's lack of a decent pitch and our difficulties with this.

I always thought the GAA was a community organisation.

The pitch in kiltoom was more than adequate for games in Division 2, 3 and 4.
If ye are down there in the future your perspective on that might change.

Always_Running

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

I think yesterday was a nice reminder of who the big dogs in Connaught are. For all the talk of Roscommon missing players, Mayo had no Keith Higgins or Cillian O'Connor (for most of the game), Barry Moran too, Kevin McLoughlin.

I suspect that Mayo team that played only had 9-10th at most of the championship 15, and still should have won by 12-15 if the shooting boots were in.

Last Roscommon v Mayo meeting in Hyde park was two years ago in the Connacht championship. It was a game that went to wire and the winner wasnt known until the final whistle.

Here in the teams that lined out that day.

R Hennelly; T Cunniffe, G Cafferkey, K Higgins; L Keegan, C Boyle, D Vaughan; A O'Shea, S O'Shea; D O'Connor, C O'Shea, J Doherty; K McLoughlin, A Freeman, C O'Connor.

Roscommon
D O'Malley; N Collins, N Carty, S McDermott; I Kilbride, N Daly, C Cafferkey, C Shine, K Higgins; D O'Gara, D Shine, R Stack; S Kilbride, C Cregg, C Murtagh

In bold started yesterday, C O Connor came off the bench while only those in bold played for Roscommon.

[Deleted User]

nice_guy80 wrote: »

It's not very neighbourly to be so critical of Roscommon's lack of a decent pitch and our difficulties with this.

I always thought the GAA was a community organisation.

The pitch in kiltoom was more than adequate for games in Division 2, 3 and 4.
If ye are down there in the future your perspective on that might change.

Christ boys and girls ye are very sensitive.

Will ye get over yourselves.

You are a laughing stock fair enough, a big shiny bus but a dump of a ground, blowing hot air last year and getting dumped out by lesser teams not once but twice.

But all we are doing is laughing at ye, noting more.

megadodge

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Christ boys and girls ye are very sensitive.

Will ye get over yourselves.

You are a laughing stock fair enough, a big shiny bus but a dump of a ground, blowing hot air last year and getting dumped out by lesser teams not once but twice.

But all we are doing is laughing at ye, noting more.

Yeah, because if we didn't lease out a bus, we'd have enough money for a new ground!!

Brilliant analysis!