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Second Captains

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Thought I'd update the OP with links and stuff for anyone who stumbles across this.

The former Off the Ball hosts have partnered with The Irish Times to do a series of weekly podcasts. They go online each Tuesday and cover a variety of sports, with a number of contributors including Sid Lowe, Richie Sadlier, Gerry Thornley and Shane Horgan.

They can be found:
On The Irish Times' site: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/second-captains
On Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptains-it-com
On iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ie/podcast/second-captains-irish-times/id647893016?mt=2

Or if you prefer not to use iTunes for your podcasts, use this link in whatever app you use (Thanks to youcancallmeal): http://feeds.feedburner.com/secondcaptainsitcom

And here are their Twitter and Facebook accounts.

Cheers,
wnolan1992

so they're almost finished their gardening leave...

where will they end up?

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BoJack Horseman

Someone mentioned here that Ken is a liverpool fan?

I knew Eoin was a Utd head, but I wasn't aware about murph being ditto.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Ken strikes me as a person who would support Leeds.

Marseilles.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Ol' Donie wrote: »

We know Murph is Man U, from the Ince2O poster he had in his room. Interestingly, it's only this week when Ken was ribbing McDevitt about wearing a Man U hat, we found out that he was a United fan. We're left to presume Ken is a Marseille fam through and through.

Ken strikes me as a person who would support Leeds.

Ol' Donie

dastardly00 wrote: »

In the football podcast yesterday when discussing the popularity of soccer in the United States, they mentioned Americans becoming hardcore fans of English teams etc.

Do we know what clubs Ken, Eoin and Murph support?

We know Murph is Man U, from the Ince2O poster he had in his room. Interestingly, it's only this week when Ken was ribbing McDevitt about wearing a Man U hat, we found out that he was a United fan. We're left to presume Ken is a Marseille man through and through.

dastardly00

In the football podcast yesterday when discussing the popularity of soccer in the United States, they mentioned Americans becoming hardcore fans of English teams etc.

Do we know what clubs Ken, Eoin and Murph support?

Say Your Number

Actually Murph made a great point when talking about The Sunday Game, that people take analysis too seriously, online you'd see people tie themselves in knots over the most trivial utterances the likes of Dunphy or Brolly make.

Even Ken playing Devil's advocate about Leicester's sucess this year hasn't annoyed me in fact it's quite funny especially with Richie taking the piss out of him.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

The last 30 seconds of the football podcast made me spit coffee everywhere. Des Bishop you legend.

Arghus

It doesn't get much more country than Murph comparing the Sunday Game to mass.

Say Your Number

It was funny how uncomfortable that made Eoin.

Christ that Duddy fella can talk, good thing they didn't have him and Bishop on at the same time, my head would probably melt listening to the two of them talking at 100 MPH at the same time.

Also Dr. Ronaldo :pac:

wnolan1992

Ahaha, Des Bishop at the end of today's podcast: "Yiz got too big for your boots!" :pac: :pac:

gucci

If it was back in my college days it would probably make a great ring tone for one of the lads I used to live with....who sounded similar when sober!!

dr.kenneth noisewater

gucci wrote: »

The James Nesbitt jingle cracks me up every time I hear it!!

Hammered!

gucci

The James Nesbitt jingle cracks me up every time I hear it!!

buyer95

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

What dates did they say they were going? Playoffs start on the 16th April, shock early loss for the Warriors could happen..... maybe?

The Nets are Jay Z's team, yeah?

Jay Z had shares in the team for a long time, and was instrumental in their move from New Jersey to Brooklyn. He was the face of the ownership group for years, although his stake was quite small. He sold it in 2013, when he entered the agency game. NBA rules state that you can't be a players agent and have a stake in a team. Jay Z counts Kevin Durant, one of the best players in the league as a client. He also represents Jerome Boateng.

Say Your Number

The lads will be back from America by the time the Playoffs start, how many times will Eoin mention the bleedin' Splash Brothers before they head off.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

buyer95 wrote: »

The Warriors are having the best season of any NBA team ever, and are oncourse to eclipse Jordan and Pippens 97' Bulls team that won 72 games in the regular season. Pretty sure they'll still be in the playoffs when the boys jet off. They're going to Brooklyn though right? Both New York teams are terrible, funnily enough the Brooklyn Nets have the bleakest short to middle term future of any team in the NBA right now.

What dates did they say they were going? Playoffs start on the 16th April, shock early loss for the Warriors could happen..... maybe?

The Nets are Jay Z's team, yeah?

buyer95

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

It'll be in or around the time of the NBA playoffs, I think?

I hope Golden State don't make it that far, just so they have to talk about someone else

The Warriors are having the best season of any NBA team ever, and are oncourse to eclipse Jordan and Pippens 97' Bulls team that won 72 games in the regular season. Pretty sure they'll still be in the playoffs when the boys jet off. They're going to Brooklyn though right? Both New York teams are terrible, funnily enough the Brooklyn Nets have the bleakest short to middle term future of any team in the NBA right now.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Ken being Ken isn't a bad thing and it's good to hear other points of view anyway. All he did was challenge the conventional wisdom in the manner we've come to know and love. I think he made some good points that you wouldn't usually get to hear.

It's not so much his opinions that irk me sometimes it's more how he states them with absolute certainty. Particularly on things like this where there is no way of knowing what would have happened without the Rising. No issue with him thinking the Rising was a big mistake and dragged Ireland down a dark path, it's his certainty that it was the worst option and not doing it would have resulted in something far better that gets to me. The most common opinion on that time is we were heading for Civil War one way or another so the only thing you can pin on the Rising is that it got us there a little quicker.

I've no problem with people offering alternative histories and hypothesizing on what could/should have been but when there are so many possible outcomes in a situation like this one it's his attitude that gets to me.

Although as someone pointed out the first part of the discussion may well have been him trying to wind Murph/the listeners up.

Mr.Prodston

Ken was obviously at the Martin O'Neill press conference during that chat anyway or preparing for the football show in some capacity. The same way Murph is never on during the football show interviews bar perhaps when Richie's in.

Ken being Ken isn't a bad thing and it's good to hear other points of view anyway. All he did was challenge the conventional wisdom in the manner we've come to know and love. I think he made some good points that you wouldn't usually get to hear.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Say Your Number wrote: »

They've managed to get another free trip to America, fair play to them!

It'll be in or around the time of the NBA playoffs, I think?

I hope Golden State don't make it that far, just so they have to talk about someone else

K-9

Ah yeah, Ken was being controversial, I'd say he got some nice tweets about it!

Off the ball had a good one about the GAA and the Rising as well. I think it is better to focus on the writer who obviously knows far more about it than listeners do. Plus people who do these things thing usually are nuanced and not definitive on it because well, it's history.

Without getting too much into it, the modern day example is probably N.I. Could we have had ceasefires and the GFA earlied? Most definitely. How likely was it considering the different sides involved? Who knows!

wnolan1992

TBH guys, I think Ken was trolling initially.

In the opening segment of the show, if you listen back, Ken almost sounds like he's got a big smirk on his face as if he knows this is going to wind up a lot of people. He was making some valid points, but he was injecting his customary hyperbole for effect.

The second half of the discussion which came after the GAA guy interview sounded far more genuine.

At least that's how it sounded to me.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Also I think at one point he was kind of comparing the Rising to ISIS?

That's a common comparison tbh. I'm not sure I fully agree with it, but I definitely see where people are coming from when they say it. ISIS feel Islam is being oppressed by the west, are using violence to unite the world under Islam. 1916 volunteers felt Ireland was being oppressed by Britain, used violence to unite Ireland under their banner.

That's obviously a HUGE oversimplification, and I don't really think this is the appropriate forum for discussing it, but I can see where the comparison would come from.

Say Your Number

They've managed to get another free trip to America, fair play to them!

Ol' Donie

Just listened to the Ken & Murph bit.

Didn't seem like a big deal to me.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Also I assume the podcast is not recorded in the order it's presented in. Some of the guest bits maybe have to be recorded in advance whenever the person is available. The interview with the GAA guy may have already been recorded minus Ken before himself and Murph duked it out.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Arghus wrote: »

Has there ever been a reason given forwhy Ken never, ever participates in The GAA or Rugby segments? He doesn't seem shy on voicing an opinion on just about anything else, so why is he muzzled when they come around?

I'd assume he doesn't have an educated enough opinion, if that's the right way to put it, to actually join in the conversations when they go beyond something very general. He sometimes joins in at the start or end when they just briefly touch on something GAA or Rugby related. I find that annoying sometimes too though as he will often have a really strong opinion on something but pretty much admit he doesn't know that much about what ever it is they are discussing.

Arghus

It also felt weird that after such a heated debate, that he was totally absent from the very next segment; which had overlapping subject matter with what he and Murph had just finished arguing about. I know Ken always scoots off whenever the GAA bit rears it head, but if he's going to bring up a contrarian point of view about that particular historical era - seemingly just to get it off his chest - then he should have stuck around to have a chat with a fellow journalist, who has done the research and the writing about that time. I know it would have broke from the established routine, but, as it was, they were already getting hot under the collar about politics and history, why not push the boat all the way out?

Has there ever been a reason given forwhy Ken never, ever participates in The GAA or Rugby segments? He doesn't seem shy on voicing an opinion on just about anything else, so why is he muzzled when they come around?

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

^ Exactly.

He was throwing out random alternative histories like they were certainties and was pretty dismissive of Murphs attempts to argue that it's impossible to know. I was glad Murph mentioned the Ulster Covenant which for me always guaranteed a divided island. It seems highly unlikely we wouldn't have got to that eventually, one way or the other. Ken seemed 100% sure that it was all 1916's fault.

Also I think at one point he was kind of comparing the Rising to ISIS?

Arghus

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Yeah. I thought Ken was a little too definite in his opinions. He had some points but the thing about 1916 leading to there being two football teams was a bit weird. I don't know all the ins and outs of it but plenty of other sports didn't split so it seemed a bit of a strange comment.

It's Ken's style really: grand pronouncements. These work really well within the confines of footballing talk. You can spout off about just about anything there. And because so much of of all football opinion is totally subjective you don't always have to be,or even attempt to be, factually correct in what you have to say and, sure, at the end of the day it's only a game, so whose feelings are you really hurting a lot of the time?

It gets a bit more problematic when you are talking about a historical event that's still pretty politically "hot" and open to interpretation, even a century later. I love the free form nature of Second Captains but you'd have to wonder if it was the right place for this particular discussion. I love Ken and all, but I think he might be exactly the wrong type of person to talk about something like this. Not because he made no sense - he made a few points that I agreed with - but that his style of argument is so definite and yet kind of speculative all at the same time. That's all well and good when you're speculating about something like the content of Louis Van Gaal's thoughts, but when you're coming down hard in favour of the surity of potential alternate histories versus - as Murph rightly said - the reality of what actually happened... well then there's a danger you can sound like a Jackass and, I think, at times he did.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Arghus wrote: »

Interesting debate yesterday. I thought Murph acquited himself well.

Yeah. I thought Ken was a little too definite in his opinions. He had some points but the thing about 1916 leading to there being two football teams was a bit weird. I don't know all the ins and outs of it but plenty of other sports didn't split so it seemed a bit of a strange comment.