tritium wrote: » Yeah, all of us blokes are thrilled that benefitting from this one comes at the cost of having less time with our children then the mothers do.... Fortunately the state considers fathers disposable fashion accessories largely so we really don't get a say in it. Paternity leave? No thanks, equal right to a relationship with your child? No thanks, just suck it up sonny and earn the money Funny how many folks leave that bit out of any discussion about wage gaps
dav3 wrote: » When the gender pay gap sits at 14% and we live in a country where women are still not allowed full control over their own bodies, we still have some way to go.
dav3 wrote: » I find it preposterous that in this day and age as a man, I could be given a vote to dictate on what a woman should do with her own body.
dav3 wrote: » As for the other question I was asked above. I find it preposterous that in this day and age as a man, I could be given a vote to dictate on what a woman should do with her own body.
dav3 wrote: » Yes, this old saw, again. I was referencing the EU commission report. All the figures and facts are laid out here.
There you have it ladies. Wibbs has worked it out. Keep your legs closed if you know what's good for you.
thattequilagirl wrote: If you have to remain childless and defy time by remaining under 30, this doesn't really make a difference...
orubiru wrote: » I'm almost tempted to agree with you. On the surface, it does seem a little ridiculous that Men could be given a vote to decide that. However, many women disagree with my belief that a woman should be able to make the choice to have an abortion. If their vote gets counted and mine doesn't then those women have a better chance to deny other women full control of their bodies. It's like you are almost saying that only pro-choice people should be allowed to vote on whether or not a woman should be given a choice but you are getting confused and saying only women should have that vote. Not all women are feminists and not all women are pro-choice. What if the pro-lifers won a vote that was only open to women and polling suggested that a vote open to men and women would give the victory to the pro-choice side? Would you rather everyone be allowed to vote in those circumstances? What about women who can't have kids? Would they be allowed to vote on abortion? After all, it's never an issue they'll have to deal with, right?
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One eyed Jack wrote: » The curious thing about it too is that according to a recent Red C poll regarding legislating for abortion in Ireland - more men were pro-choice than women, so, if it were only women voting on a change to the Irish Constitution, a referendum that would allow for abortion would likely fail!y dav it's not that you have a choice in what women do with their own bodies. It's that as a citizen of Ireland, you would have the right to vote in a referendum anyway.
What attitude? That some women enjoy sex and have different moral standards to you? That a woman who enjoys multiple partner sex is a right bitch? You don't see anything wrong with THAT attitude?
RDM_83 again wrote: » Since this is at risk of becoming another abortion thread. I think something that hasn't really been talked about on this thread the double bind of conflicting messages men find themselves in. We are told its ok to be sensitive, be true to ourselves and not guard our emotions on one hand, yet often if a man is open about their feelings, things that bother them and so on they are slapped back with the implication that they are whining or need to "man up". Many people (and more so guys I think) are stoic by nature and thats fine but it seems that this "traditionally" manly characteristic isn't a valued characteristic in the prevalent narrative you encounter in new media, that in and off itself is fine, if a man feels like being sensitive they should be able to be so, the problem is when they come forward with their feelings the reaction is very different to what they expect. Take this thread here (which I have used before as an example)http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057247232 Basically guy who thinks he is his partners 3rd partner finds out she has been with 500 guys and she smashes up the place and finds out later he has got an STD. He calls her a "B-tch" in the OP. The most thanked post says (by a woman and AFAIK mainly thanked by woman posters, I'm pointing this out because when this problems men face are brought up its often framed that its only other men that hold guys back) There is also a number of other posts "shaming" him His feelings are completely invalidated because they go counter to the progressive narrative and because he insults his ex with a fairly mind gendered insult. Is it any wonder that some younger guys who may spend a lot of time online and on "new media" and probably aren't that socially clued in end up in the more toxic end of the manosphere or PUA, they will actually listen and tell them that the problem isn't them and its ok to feel that way, basically bizarrely the toxic environment actually supports and cares for these guys more while the "nice" people shun them. Read the some progressive media and you will very regularly see masculinity and/or young men referred to as dangerous, toxic, needing to be policed etc while everything a woman does is basically empowering. Despite my love of gender wars threads I don't think we should be pushing a message thats harmful to both genders.
Ronald Wilson Reagan wrote: » Equality seem to be taking precedence over common sense, as Spock said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".
RDM_83 again wrote: » Despite my love of gender wars threads I don't think we should be pushing a message thats harmful to both genders.
One eyed Jack wrote: » You can't police what message other people are pushing though, in the same way as you can't police what people are exposed to. I absolutely detest the whole, what comes across as patronising "men should be allowed to cry" guff. I don't need anyone's permission to cry. I'll cry if I feel like it. I don't. The whole "talk about their emotions" stuff. It makes absolutely no sense to me, and to me comes across as wanting men and boys to behave like delicate little flowers. It really does sound like they want men to be more effeminate and allow themselves "vulnerable", as if that's how people are supposed to be equal - they're all as weak and victimised as each other. I can't get behind that message at all, and I don't think many men ever will, but I don't think too many men fall into the extreme PUA stuff either. The internet exaggerates the effect of everything, so I wouldn't worry too much about hordes of men crying into women's breasts just yet or in need of a special hug having been triggered by the violence in Loony Toons.
RDM_83 again wrote: » I actually completely agree with you about the middle part of your statement, but it is the message thats pushed. Are you sure a lot of guys don't fall into the whole PUA lifestyle thing, I mean because I said PUA can be Toxic I have a rereg sending me messages trying to convince me otherwise.
One eyed Jack wrote: » I know the one Ahh no, I'm fairly sure alright. What does concern me though, is that whole "nofap" and MGTOW nonsense. I'd see those phenomena as more damaging to socially introverted young men than the PUA stuff as it's young men competing amongst themselves to see who can be more puritan. As unhealthy as the PUA stuff is, that kind of mentality is IMO genuinely fair more toxic to young men's mental health. At least with the PUA stuff, young men get feedback from women that it's a ball of shyte, but with the nofap and MGTOW stuff, there's no feedback there, just constant reinforcing among themselves that what they're at is actually healthy for them, when it's anything but healthy!!
RDM_83 again wrote: » I'm not sure how I feel about the Nofap thing, but the MGTOW just make me feel depressed for them, I don't think they are common though thankfully. That said MGTOW are simply the male version of political lesbianism or feminist separatists
melissak wrote: » I don't know what any of these things are atall. Damn all these new letters..
One eyed Jack wrote: » Ahh they're just various online communities that are for the most part a US and UK phenomenon. PUA (Pick Up Artists) is a community of young men that spend their days talking about their success with women, but they never seem to have any success with actual women. MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) is a community of young and middle aged men who reject society because they've pretty much been rejected by society. Nofap (No masturbation) is an online community of men who make dubious claims to each other about how long they can go without touching themselves. It's sort of like the priesthood if you will.
