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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

delaval

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

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I was wondering would it be a help if we posted our milk prices. I would hope that if someone is low that help could be given, on the other hand if high perhaps your tips could help us all.

I would suggest posting your processors base inc Vat for comparison
Post your Nett price for others to help or be helped
I think that solids should be included.
I suggest any seasonal/liquid contract price be excluded or seperated.

I feel that we as farmers do a lot of bitching about processor prices and rightly so IMO. I also feel that we should not worry about it as we can do nothing about base price but we certainly do something about it at farm level.

What do you all think?

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atlantic mist

Glanbia plc after loosing tesco liquid contract to Aurivo and Arrabawn, do ye have separate liquid milk suppliers

plc wouldnt like that after building new bottling plant

makes sense why liquid milk suppliers got such favorable treatment in our previous fixed price scheme, had to replace liquid milk pool somewhere so they decided to take from the manufacturing premium product listing

visatorro

atlantic mist wrote: »

Glanbia plc after loosing tesco liquid contract to Aurivo and Arrabawn, do ye have separate liquid milk suppliers

plc wouldnt like that after building new bottling plant

makes sense why liquid milk suppliers got such favorable treatment in our previous fixed price scheme, had to replace liquid milk pool somewhere so they decided to take from the manufacturing premium product listing

I don't think that's a good thing for glanbia suppliers!

RightTurnClyde

visatorro wrote: »

I don't think that's a good thing for glanbia suppliers!

Definitely not. Some move by Arrabawn though. You'd have to be little impressed by their management in the last couple of years

whelan2

atlantic mist wrote: »

Glanbia plc after loosing tesco liquid contract to Aurivo and Arrabawn, do ye have separate liquid milk suppliers

plc wouldnt like that after building new bottling plant

makes sense why liquid milk suppliers got such favorable treatment in our previous fixed price scheme, had to replace liquid milk pool somewhere so they decided to take from the manufacturing premium product listing

would it not be a good idea to have contracts secured before spending big money, how many litres is the tesco contract worth?

kevthegaff

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Definitely not. Some move by Arrabawn though. You'd have to be little impressed by their management in the last couple of years

I said it before and ill say it again that Ryan is a shrewd man, arrabawn have improved drastically during his tenure without losing the co operative ethos so far..

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

I said it before and ill say it again that Ryan is a shrewd man, arrabawn have improved drastically during his tenure without losing the co operative ethos so far..

Would of been critical of him before Kev but no issue now admitting I was wrong .great strides made and praticuralky in last year I feared for us during all the movement of suppliers that Glanbia or dairygold would flex there financial muscle against us when contracts like this came up and outbid us to prove a point

Milked out

What is liquid price in arrabawn? Would they have had to undercut glanbia by much to get the contract? I wonder will spring lads milking on supply much of the requirements in winter?

Water John

Don't know their liquid milk price but Arrabawn pay a 2 cent bonus on most all milk supplied during the winter months.

mahoney_j

Water John wrote: »

Don't know their liquid milk price but Arrabawn pay a 2 cent bonus on most all milk supplied during the winter months.

They do but there is a minimum quantity you must supply ,4% of annual supply I thinkn

kevthegaff

Milked out wrote: »

What is liquid price in arrabawn? Would they have had to undercut glanbia by much to get the contract? I wonder will spring lads milking on supply much of the requirements in winter?

Don't know many winter milk suppliers around here, probably a lot of late/early spring herds filling it

freedominacup

At the ifa vote tonight strong rumour that Bergin is looking to take four cent between Mar and Apr and leave it down at twenty cent for the summer. Three board members only objecting. Two in the south east not sure where the other is. Ye need to attend these info meetings and frighten the ****e out of your board members.

mahoney_j

freedominacup wrote: »

At the ifa vote tonight strong rumour that Bergin is looking to take four cent between Mar and Apr and leave it down at twenty cent for the summer. Three board members only objecting. Two in the south east not sure where the other is. Ye need to attend these info meetings and frighten the ****e out of your board members.

+1 no point whinging ,moaning and bitching about it if/when decision is made .get on the phone or make it your business to talk/meet board members and leve them in no doubt that cuts like that or indeed any cuts re not acceptable

MIKEKC

mahoney_j wrote: »

+1 no point whinging ,moaning and bitching about it if/when decision is made .get on the phone or make it your business to talk/meet board members and leve them in no doubt that cuts like that or indeed any cuts re not acceptable

If the market isn't returning the price ,how are co-ops going to pay it.?

mahoney_j

MIKEKC wrote: »

If the market isn't returning the price ,how are co-ops going to pay it.?

Then look for an explanation as to why a super oop like Glanbia have been paying. A base of 24 cent for last few months whilst Arrabawn /west cork etc can pay 2/4 cent more ???.

greenfield21

I thought it couldn't go below 21c with intervention?

Water John

And from rumour looking to take over Dairygold. The second worst payer looking to take over the worst payer.
Dairygold V Arrabawn 3.58 cent diff in Feb for most suppliers.

A few lucky lads and lassies that jumped ship.
Egg on face for anyone who went the other way.

Greengrass1

freedominacup wrote: »

At the ifa vote tonight strong rumour that Bergin is looking to take four cent between Mar and Apr and leave it down at twenty cent for the summer. Three board members only objecting. Two in the south east not sure where the other is. Ye need to attend these info meetings and frighten the ****e out of your board members.

I was at the meeting in horse and hound last Thursday.
Bergin said low 20s before yr end. Lots of up roar over it and he just shrugged it off and told us again how much money the plc was making.
Henry corbally chaired it and Imo was far from on the suppliers side

RightTurnClyde

freedominacup wrote: »

At the ifa vote tonight strong rumour that Bergin is looking to take four cent between Mar and Apr and leave it down at twenty cent for the summer. Three board members only objecting. Two in the south east not sure where the other is. Ye need to attend these info meetings and frighten the ****e out of your board members.

But Free, what stick have we to beat them with. The majority of suppliers have signed up to the MSA and for those of us who havnt, have had any leverage we had removed by the ICOS's gentlemans agreement.

Milked out

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/dairy-prices-set-to-recover-this-year-as-eu-production-slows/

wats the craic

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I was at the meeting in horse and hound last Thursday.
Bergin said low 20s before yr end. Lots of up roar over it and he just shrugged it off and told us again how much money the plc was making.
Henry corbally chaired it and Imo was far from on the suppliers side

bergin is a rite piece of work aint he .

Water John

That ICOS 90 days is obviously not legal but that does not stop it being in place.

If Strathroy are interested, you can skip the 90 days. Sweet nothing they can do about it.

wats the craic

mahoney_j wrote: »

Then look for an explanation as to why a super oop like Glanbia have been paying. A base of 24 cent for last few months whilst Arrabawn /west cork etc can pay 2/4 cent more ???.

because the plc is still and always will be calling the shots on milk price in glanbia .

WheatenBriar

MIKEKC wrote: »

If the market isn't returning the price ,how are co-ops going to pay it.?

Reducing Bergins pay by 4c/l ?

Seriously though,what other private enterprise (plenty of examples in our recent recession) doesn't reduce pay when going badly/not achieving even industry equating results?
20c/l inc vat is a price even for the biggest lads,whereby farmers are a food charity ,the only finance for which is increased borrowing and merchant debt,a ticking time bomb.

freedominacup

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

But Free, what stick have we to beat them with. The majority of suppliers have signed up to the MSA and for those of us who havnt, have had any leverage we had removed by the ICOS's gentlemans agreement.

They've all got to stand for election. Brendan hayes wouldn't dare show his face if didn't oppose this. He got elected on partially on the basis that there would be no kowtowing. He got re-elected despite the boards best efforts to remove him. Other areas would do well to pick people like him. There's more than one board member in it purely for the fee. Farm signed over and a grand handy number fcuking up your year. No interest in opposing anything Siobhan and Jim put in front of them. Ye know who these jokers are.

Go to the information meetings and let them know what you expect and what the consequences are. Brendan hayes actually beat one of the most able men I've ever met to be elected as a board member in the co-op. An able, honest and dilligent man but he wasn't delivering in the members opinion and he got the door.

Corbally is the glanbia plc boards dream appointment as chair of the co-op and plc. Wind him up and point him.in whatever direction they want. Blood on the dancefloor is what's needed, literally. Most of the meetings will be in some hotel ballroom and your board members need to be frightened.

Siobhan wants her thirty million, on paper this year and next and 12 million in cash from 2018. There are some unspecified consequences if she doesn't get it but imo she needs to be called out on it. Wtf is she going to do if she doesn't get it? Throwing the toys out of the pram is as far as she can go.

Time is well past for some serious hacking at the cost structure within GII. Milk price back at '09 levels wages and headcount back to the same level for starters. We'll talk more on milk price after that's done. Probably benchmark senior managers pay to milk price for starters. Their current salaries benchmarked to an average payout of around 42c. They'd be heading for a fifty percent paycut next month at that rate. Concentrate some minds.

Water John

Word is Dairygold are talking of reducing pay, redundancies and closing stores.
You can take it then, things are very serious.
Big meeting last week.

I suppose CEO won't mention any of that when he addresses the Burghers of Mallow at the breakfast meeting on Friday?

Most Board Members of Dairygold, if not all, follow the pattern you set out for Glanbia. Why should they worry? You have IFA branch meetings and the price for milk isn't even raised.

alps

MIKEKC wrote: »

If the market isn't returning the price ,how are co-ops going to pay it.?

The market has to be returning it......look at the plc profits....

jaymla627

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Reducing Bergins pay by 4c/l ?

Seriously though,what other private enterprise (plenty of examples in our recent recession) doesn't reduce pay when going badly/not achieving even industry equating results?
20c/l inc vat is a price even for the biggest lads,whereby farmers are a food charity ,the only finance for which is increased borrowing and merchant debt,a ticking time bomb.

The timing of their milk flex loan being rolled out is just to much of a coincidence too...
It's not an expansion loan, it's simply providing finance to keep lads going and balance their own books too with a nice bit of these loans being clawed back before they even reach the farmers bank account through monies owed on trading accounts....
The only simply way they'll get the message is if milk suppliers simply stopped buying inputs of them and signal that If milk is pulled like is being talked about they'll do well to even got a churn of milk to put through belview with lads reducing supply through culling/early dry off/shelving expansion plans along with putting every cow in the place to beef sires this may bar the bare minium of replacements needed...
The above points are wishful thinking I know but I'm doing all of the above bar reducing numbers as have a heap of heifers coming through but instead of going up another 20 cows next year will be culling/selling an extra 20 cows/heifers

whelan2

jaymla627 wrote: »

The timing of their milk flex loan being rolled out is just to much of a coincidence too...
It's not an expansion loan, it's simply providing finance to keep lads going and balance their own books too with a nice bit of these loans being clawed back before they even reach the farmers bank account through monies owed on trading accounts....
The only simply way they'll get the message is if milk suppliers simply stopped buying inputs of them and signal that If milk is pulled like is being talked about they'll do well to even got a churn of milk to put through belview with lads reducing supply through culling/early dry off/shelving expansion plans along with putting every cow in the place to beef sires this may bar the bare minium of replacements needed...
The above points are wishful thinking I know but I'm doing all of the above bar reducing numbers as have a heap of heifers coming through but instead of going up another 20 cows next year will be culling/selling an extra 20 cows/heifers

Local Glanbia man here when a farmer said they were not going to buy anything more off glanbia said, if you think your few tonne will make any difference to a business like glanbia you havent a clue, arrogance at its best, On Bergin, since when is he running the whole show? If we thought Herlihy and Moloney were bad it looks like the Talbot/ Corbally combination is well worse. As per usual we just sit back and moan about it on our keyboards :cool:

RightTurnClyde

Wondering, how would that pr1ck of a dryer in Bellview work if lorries in were blocked for 48hrs.
I've a feeling that would focus minds fast.

WheatenBriar

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Wondering, how would that pr1ck of a dryer in Bellview work if lorries in were blocked for 48hrs.
I've a feeling that would focus minds fast.

Bergin and Talbot would't care,they'd just tell the workers to take a few days off and still collect their salaries whilst ours the following month would fall as milk isnt collected
Farmers cannot afford that especially now
But will they be driven to it(yes) out of despair
What will Glanbia do with the negative publicity?

Would the people in GiiL taking no cuts survive the negative publicity of a farm family struggling to feed and clothe the kids,versus wealthy executives and board members?

I'd agree the loan scheme is just finance to sustain the unsustainable
Shur put up a shed lads for show and use the rest for the next few years to pay your glanbia store bill which is handily owned by the plc
Win win for Siobhan
Debt Debt for the farmer