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Why do Irish people hate being Irish?

chair28

I was just reading other threads about Easter Lilies and the amount of people who just want nothing more to put us down and keep us down. There is a massive bang of anti Irishness from that thread and others.
Why do Irish people feel ashamed of being irish?
Why are Irish people ashamed of the past?
Why do they think its cool to be so anti Irish?
Why do people call members of any of the IRAs (past or present) terrorists when they are all fighting for the same goal?
Why are people against wearing an Easter lily and automatically think its a Ra thing?

Seems pathetic and very weird to be honest. Every other country is proud of their freedom, Eg America, are all the men who fought for their freedom terrorists also?

Pretty F*cked up to be honest

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refusetolose

I don't,

I'm from Cork though...

TheLastMohican

I think some of the educated under Brit loving 1970 trained teachers, deserve a bit of compassion. They would be rebels at heart but lacked the cojones to ask the right questions.

Del2005

I'm proud to be Irish and feel zero need to wear anything to prove it.

If people feel that they need something to prove their Irish then I don't mind.

MarkAnthony

Ireland has moved on, no revolution has ever been completely 100% clean. Given the current backdrop of global terrorism people are, thankfully, a lot less willing to romanticise 'the RA'. There's misunderstandings across the board tbh with some people perhaps being a bit over sensitive; It's pretty much balanced out by the raving loonies on the other side of it.

Permabear

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coolbeans

chair28 wrote: »

I was just reading other threads about Easter Lilies and the amount of people who just want nothing more to put us down and keep us down. There is a massive bang of anti Irishness from that thread and others.
Why do Irish people feel ashamed of being irish?
Why are Irish people ashamed of the past?
Why do they think its cool to be so anti Irish?
Why do people call members of any of the IRAs (past or present) terrorists when they are all fighting for the same goal?
Why are people against wearing an Easter lily and automatically think its a Ra thing?

Seems pathetic and very weird to be honest. Every other country is proud of their freedom, Eg America, are all the men who fought for their freedom terrorists also?

Pretty F*cked up to be honest

They don't. Lots of people just don't subscribe to the narrow, unsubtle and frankly backward view of Irishness that a large and vocal minority seem to want to shove down everyone else's throats.

chair28

Permabear wrote: »

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if it wasn't for physical force republicanism you'd be still singing GSTQ....I think people forget that quiet a lot to be honest

chair28

coolbeans wrote: »

They don't. Lots of people just don't subscribe to the narrow, unsubtle and frankly backward view of Irishness that a large and vocal minority seem to want to shove down everyone else's throats.

Can you expand on this? Backward view of Irishness?

diomed

OP
I'm proud to be a west-Brit.
I might as well get the Republican speak going early on the thread to be honest.

franklyon

Proud of being Irish, always was and always will be, maybe the fact I live overseas gives me green tinted glasses. The men of 1916 didn't plant bombs under cars, didn't kidnap and murder old women so they can hardly be called terrorists. They fought an open battle against British forces and lost but it planted the seed which would flower years later in the War of Independence.
Without them we would probably be just another part of the UK doing our shopping in Marks and Spencers, Boots etc...oh wait....:D
Seriously though we're a small nation and why shouldn't we be proud?

Junkyard Tom

There aren't lots of them. Just a miniscule, but vocal, insignificant minority with no popular support at any level.

MarkAnthony

chair28 wrote: »

if it wasn't for physical force republicanism you'd be still singing GSTQ....I think people forget that quiet a lot to be honest

Especially when they're shopping up in Newry.

MightyMandarin

chair28 wrote: »

if it wasn't for physical force republicanism you'd be still singing GSTQ....I think people forget that quiet a lot to be honest

If it wasn't for physical force 'republicanism' there'd be a lot less victims of terrorism on this island too. I think you're forgetting that to be honest.

Ice Maiden

Permabear wrote: »

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I don't think they mean that. I think they are referring to people - Irish people - who just non stop condemn and sneer at Ireland and Irish people (but not themselves

) and the Irish language; people who like to describe "us" (not including themselves) as backwards and this country being a backwater. There are several of them, who post regularly on After Hours and Politics. They post the nastiest, most spiteful comments putting down this country - it is bizarre stuff.

Some of them like to say they "wish" the 26 counties was never made independent and "we" failed as a state because of independence, and we should go back to the UK with cap in hand. Exaggeration for wind-up effect I'm sure, but they do think along those lines. And they pretend the Northern Ireland conflict was 100% republican, nobody else, and their lickspittling of unionists would embarrass an Irish Independent writer. They are nearly apologetic about being born here.

Then there are the crowd who go on and on about how Ireland is useless for everything and like a third world country (from their warm homes with their access to plenty of food and to clean water and education) - and offer absolutely zero solutions.

I don't think people should feel proud to be Irish (I don't particularly) or should support hardline republicanism (Christ no) and I love so much about England and English culture. There are things about this country I do not like too. But being ashamed and feeling inferior (yet superior to your fellow countrypeople) - very silly.

The Backwards Man

I'm very proud of who I am and where I come from.

I don't wear a poppy or a lilly, and anyone that thinks I should respect any arsehole that tries to claim justification of murder, robbery and pillaging in my name can go fcuk themselves.

Ice Maiden

diomed wrote: »

OP
I'm proud to be a west-Brit.
I might as well get the Republican speak going early on the thread to be honest.

What is a west Brit and why are you "proud" of being one?

chair28

franklyon wrote: »

Proud of being Irish, always was and always will be, maybe the fact I live overseas gives me green tinted glasses. The men of 1916 didn't plant bombs under cars, didn't kidnap and murder old women so they can hardly be called terrorists. They fought an open battle against British forces and lost but it planted the seed which would flower years later in the War of Independence.
Without them we would probably be just another part of the UK doing our shopping in Marks and Spencers, Boots etc...oh wait....:D
Seriously though we're a small nation and why shouldn't we be proud?

Franklyon, they did plant bombs etc, they did everything the other IRAs did during wars....War is war no matter what way you look at it the only things that change from case to case is the reasoning behind it....in our case its freedom, that hasn't changed since 1916 and before so i dont know why people call them terrorists. its pretty ignorant and disrespectful

The Backwards Man

Ice Maiden wrote: »

What is a west Brit and why are you "proud" of being one?

Poster is being tongue in cheek I think.

Being called a west Brit by some of the knuckledraggers that inhabit internet forums these days is more of a compliment than an insult in my opinion anyway.

Eugene Norman

Permabear wrote: »

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It is though. Physical force was necessary to become independent. Hence the war.

However it isn't just that, is it. The antis hate everything, wish nelsons pillar back, wish the union wasn't broken.

Odd group. Massively over represented on boards.

Ice Maiden

chair28 wrote: »

Franklyon, they did plant bombs etc, they did everything the other IRAs did during wars....War is war no matter what way you look at it the only things that change from case to case is the reasoning behind it....in our case its freedom, that hasn't changed since 1916 and before so i dont know why people call them terrorists. its pretty ignorant and disrespectful

Ah here, condemnation of IRA atrocities is not the same as hating being Irish. IRA atrocities deserve condemnation - saying it was a war is a cop-out. Daesh think what they are doing is a war. The UVF thought what they were doing was a war. Violent scum are violent scum.

MarkAnthony

chair28 wrote: »

so i dont know why people call them terrorists. its pretty ignorant and disrespectful

Whatcha smoking, are you sharing?

Of course they were terrorists. Perhaps terrorists with nobler goals in mind than ISIS but with frankly the similar tactics in later years.

Eugene Norman

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Poster is being tongue in cheek I think.

Being called a west Brit by some of the knuckledraggers that inhabit internet forums these days is more of a compliment than an insult in my opinion anyway.

Most people who are called west Brits admit to preferring we stayed with the union.

Enough of these generalised ad hominems btw.

Ice Maiden

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Poster is being tongue in cheek I think.

Being called a west Brit by some of the knuckledraggers that inhabit internet forums these days is more of a compliment than an insult in my opinion anyway.

Well I would not use the term "west Brit" (cannot stand it) but I know what is meant by it sometimes. As outlined in my first post to this thread.

"Shinnerbot" about people who are not IRA supporters but who just have a nuanced view about the full picture of the Northern Ireland conflict is knuckledraggy too.

chair28

MightyMandarin wrote: »

If it wasn't for physical force 'republicanism' there'd be a lot less victims of terrorism on this island too. I think you're forgetting that to be honest.

this is the kinda nonsense im talking about....what an ignorant comment....
Why is there trouble in this land in the first place? who gave you your freedom?
have a bit of respect.

Eugene Norman

chair28 wrote: »

Franklyon, they did plant bombs etc, they did everything the other IRAs did during wars....War is war no matter what way you look at it the only things that change from case to case is the reasoning behind it....in our case its freedom, that hasn't changed since 1916 and before so i dont know why people call them terrorists. its pretty ignorant and disrespectful

I've never seen any references to bombs. Obviously the Brits shelled later.

chair28

MarkAnthony wrote: »

Whatcha smoking, are you sharing?

Of course they were terrorists. Perhaps terrorists with nobler goals in mind than ISIS but with frankly the similar tactics in later years.

So the People of 1916 were terrorists??????

catbear

Being proud of an accident of birth never made sense to me but I am extremely glad we don't have the luggage that former empires like the UK and France have to deal with.

kupus

I love smithwicks and 20 major. nothing like it unless i start on the guinness first. I cant stand the IRA. baby murdering scum.

All they are now is a glorified mafia, which makes them.....still scum.

chair28

Ice Maiden wrote: »

Ah here, condemnation of IRA atrocities is not the same as hating being Irish. IRA atrocities deserve condemnation - saying it was a war is a cop-out. Daesh think what they are doing is a war. The UVF thought what they were doing was a war. Violent scum are violent scum.

Of course it was a war.....what else war it?

Junkyard Tom

Permabear wrote: »

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You, as with many other anti-Republican pseuds, persistently sneer at physical force Republicanism in all forms while ignoring the population-halving, despicable, physical force Imperialism that gave rise to it.