Equal right - Losing it's balance in favour of women?

B0jangles wrote: »

Do you have anything whatsoever to say about Thinkprogress's appalling posts or are you siding with most of the one-sided bigoted asses as most 'egalitarians'?

Pot meet kettle.

steddyeddy wrote: »

Pot meet kettle.

Anything to say about Thinkprogress's vile opinions or are you going to just double-down like hatrickpatrick?

You people just keep on making my point for me...

B0jangles wrote: »

Do you have anything whatsoever to say about Thinkprogress's appalling posts or are you siding with most of the one-sided bigoted asses as most 'egalitarians'?

They're completely moronic, and I can never understand why discussions about equal rights always have to descend into that kind of bullsh!t. It's rather like how any discussion of modern day reunification vs independence of Northern Ireland turns into a ridiculous debate about ancient tribes.

I can only hope they are not sincerely held beliefs.

You are again missing the point though - that's some random post on a forum. The article I linked to is mainstream. You don't find publications like The Journal publishing openly misogynistic articles, but an article which opens with "It’s time for all men to get a little bit uncomfortable about the culture we all operate in" is perfectly acceptable? F*ck that.

jimgoose

No. I'm a man, provider, protector, and Custodian of The Torque-Wrenches. If you're intimidated by a bunch of burds you're a second-rate Beta wannabe and I suggest you get rid of the stupid-looking beard and put on some trousers and proper shoes.

bluewolf wrote: »

How awful, fetch my smelling salts

Terrible!
Hideous!

The article opens with "It’s time for all men to get a little bit uncomfortable about the culture we all operate in". That's what I object to. The article presumes guilt by association - that the fact that some men are w@nkers is my problem just because I'm also a man.
Is the fact that some women cheat on their husbands your problem just because you're also a woman? Personally I don't think so and I wouldn't insinuate that because I believe it'd make me a sexist asshole...

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The article opens with "It’s time for all men to get a little bit uncomfortable about the culture we all operate in". That's what I object to. The article presumes guilt by association - that the fact that some men are w@nkers is my problem just because I'm also a man.

The whole article said exactly otherwise.
If you stop insisting everyone is out to get you and read it a bit better??

B0jangles wrote: »

Anything to say about Thinkprogress's vile opinions or are you going to just double-down like hatrickpatrick?

You people just keep on making my point for me...

One poster made vile comments and because every male poster doesn't condemn them (I actually didn't see them) you come out with classy comments like "most egalitarians" and "you people".

Not everyone is out to get you.

Back to the wild cries of "boards is full of misogyny" I see....

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

They're completely moronic, and I can never understand why discussions about equal rights always have to descend into that kind of bullsh!t. It's rather like how any discussion of modern day reunification vs independence of Northern Ireland turns into a ridiculous debate about ancient tribes.

I can only hope they are not sincerely held beliefs.

You are again missing the point though - that's some random post on a forum. The article I linked to is mainstream. You don't find publications like The Journal publishing openly misogynistic articles, but an article which opens with "It’s time for all men to get a little bit uncomfortable about the culture we all operate in" is perfectly acceptable? F*ck that.

Colour me surprised - you dismiss immediate, current, blatant misogyny in favour of fishing for any hint of anti-any-aspect-of-modern-male-behavior-thinking in any source whatsoever.

Egalitarianism.txt

steddyeddy wrote: »

One poster made vile comments and because every male poster doesn't condemn them (I actually didn't see them) you come out with classy comments like "most egalitarians" and "you people".

Not everyone is out to get you.

None of them did.

NONE.

"I'm really upset because my wife cheated on me"
"right but I didn't cheat on you"
"I didn't say you did"
"I don't see why you're telling me this. Is it because I'm female? Are you blaming me? I didn't cheat on you"
"Listen I'm just saying I'm really upset because my wife cheated on me. And nobody is being supportive or giving a damn"
"Are you saying I'm to blame for your wife cheating? Stop judging all women like this. You're hurting MY feelings you know."

Every fcukin time, this is how it goes.

Jairo Fit Tenor wrote: »

Back to the wild cries of "boards is full of misogyny" I see....

Oh no, it is not full of it - but there is some for definite. I guess it's not easy to see it when it's not aimed at you.

bluewolf wrote: »

The whole article said exactly otherwise.
If you stop insisting everyone is out to get you and read it a bit better??

I did read it. Doesn't change the fact that a sexist headline is a sexist headline.

B0jangles wrote: »

Colour me surprised - you dismiss immediate, current, blatant misogyny in favour of fishing for any hint of anti-any-aspect-of-modern-male-behavior-thinking in any source whatsoever.

Egalitarianism.txt

I don't give a f*ck what people post on Boards, it is and always has been full of toxic opinions. Believe me, if an article on the Journal was posted espousing the views espoused in this thread, I'd be sharing it all over the place and calling the paper out for publishing it.

And I didn't go fishing for that article, I saw it on my news feed yesterday.

bluewolf wrote: »

"I'm really upset because my wife cheated on me"
"right but I didn't cheat on you"
"I didn't say you did"
"I don't see why you're telling me this. Is it because I'm female? Are you blaming me? I didn't cheat on you"
"Listen I'm just saying I'm really upset because my wife cheated on me. And nobody is being supportive or giving a damn"
"Are you saying I'm to blame for your wife cheating? Stop judging all women like this. You're hurting MY feelings you know."

Every fcukin time, this is how it goes.

If that's your rebuttal to the article I posted, perhaps the first line should be "I'm really upset because my wife cheated on me - it's time for all women to feel uncomfortable about it"

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If that's your rebuttal to the article I posted, perhaps the first line should be "I'm really upset because my wife cheated on me - it's time for all women to feel uncomfortable about it"

You're having a whinge about your feelings being hurt because someone posted an article about wanting support after being raped. Half the article is literally men are great, your support is invaluable to us, men are great, I hold men in high esteem. And yet.
There are literally no words to describe how insane that is.
Oh those evil sexist feminazis why don't they just shut up

I'm outta here

bluewolf wrote: »

You're having a whinge about your feelings being hurt because someone posted an article about wanting support after being raped.
There are literally no words to describe how insane that is.
Oh those evil feminazis why don't they just shut up

I'm outta here

I'm having a whinge because the article said, in these exact words, "It’s time for all men to get a little bit uncomfortable about the culture we all operate in". That's exactly why I'm pissed. Are you going to address that blatantly sexist headline or are you not?

On TheJournal.ie - now I know I should not have read the vile comments but I made the mistake of doing so - people were blaming feminism for the Hulk Hogan tape. THAT is the calibre of commenter on TheJournal.ie

Boards is far better quality in fairness.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm having a whinge because the article said, in these exact words, "It’s time for all men to get a little bit uncomfortable about the culture we all operate in". That's exactly why I'm pissed. Are you going to address that blatantly sexist headline or are you not?

No it is a sexist headline - I hate that kinda crap, it makes it all the more understandable when men get pissed off about feminist ideology. The body of the article does not reflect the headline though, but the headline writer dropped the ball for sure.
Men should not have to feel uncomfortable because of other men - and "rape culture" is a term that is very demonising of men I think.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm having a whinge because the article said, in these exact words, "It’s time for all men to get a little bit uncomfortable about the culture we all operate in". That's exactly why I'm pissed. Are you going to address that blatantly sexist headline or are you not?

Fair play to you for still bothering.

Ice Maiden wrote: »

On TheJournal.ie - now I know I should not have read the vile comments but I made the mistake of doing so - people were blaming feminism for the Hulk Hogan tape. THAT is the calibre of commenter on TheJournal.ie Boards is far better quality in fairness.

Does the fact that the Hulk Hogan tape didn't result in the same widespread condemnation in the mainstream media as the celebrity iCloud leak not deserve comment?

Feminists didn't do it, but the fact that they didn't get as pissed off about it as they did about celebgate proves hypocrisy.

B0jangles wrote: »

None of them did.

NONE.

Sorry because people didn't condemn them they must have agreed with them or something? How many feminists condemned the attack on the scientist accused of wearing a sexist cartoon shirt? Does that mean all feminists agreed with the witch hunt? No. A lot of feminists fail to condemn lack of paternal rights in some cases. Does that mean all feminists support that? No.

Lack of condemnation does not mean support.

Ice Maiden wrote: »

No it is a sexist headline - I hate that kinda crap, it makes it all the more understandable when men get pissed off about feminist ideology. The body of the article does not reflect the headline though, but the headline writer dropped the ball for sure.
Men should not have to feel uncomfortable because of other men - and "rape culture" is a term that is very demonising of men I think.

Right. And it's sh!t like this which is why I'm anti-feminist. And as you can see, I've been attacked consistently for that over the last two pages, by people who have refused to directly address the headline itself.

I tend to stay out of these threads lately because they're just so f*cking depressing, but these are exactly the battles men face when trying to call out examples of sexism. Object to that article because of the headline? You're attacking some poor woman writing about her rape experience. Anything we post gets twisted so that it can mean something different instead of simply taken at face value, as it was intended.

bluewolf wrote: »

You're having a whinge about your feelings being hurt because someone posted an article about wanting support after being raped. Half the article is literally men are great, your support is invaluable to us, men are great, I hold men in high esteem. And yet.
There are literally no words to describe how insane that is.
Oh those evil sexist feminazis why don't they just shut up

I'm outta here

Sorry but that kind of withdrawal from argument does your argument no favors.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm having a whinge because the article said, in these exact words, "It’s time for all men to get a little bit uncomfortable about the culture we all operate in". That's exactly why I'm pissed. Are you going to address that blatantly sexist headline or are you not?

You fished through an otherwise balanced.article to look for.something to be offended by and you expect to be accepted as an 'egalatarian' when you.ignore immediate, blatant misogyny until called out out such obvious lack of objectivity.

And your response is milquetoast.

B0jangles wrote: »

You fished through an otherwise balanced.article to look for.something to be offended by and you expect to be accepted as an 'egalatarian' when you.ignore immediate, blatant misogyny until called out out such obvious lack of objectivity.

And your response is milquetoast.

Yeah, fishing deeply through an article for a headline.

For the sake of clarity and egalitarianism, let me just spell out exactly why that article pissed me off:

ANY, and I mean ANY article which makes a statement along the lines of "All women X" or "All men X", or even just "Women X" or "Men X" (without the "some" prefix) is a sexist piece of sh!t. The difference is, the mainstream media will not publish such articles about women, and if they did, they'd probably get a citation from the BAI. Men? Well men are fair game, you can generalise and collectively accuse all you like.

Bear in mind I said mainstream. Trashy magazines and tabloids don't count. The Journal is a respected mainstream news outlet.

That's the double standard I'm calling out. That's the double standard I see every single day. That's the double standard which blows feminism's "you can't be sexist against men, because privilege" argument out of the water.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Does the fact that the Hulk Hogan tape didn't result in the same widespread condemnation in the mainstream media as the celebrity iCloud leak not deserve comment?

Feminists didn't do it, but the fact that they didn't get as pissed off about it as they did about celebgate proves hypocrisy.

But look at the context. The person who recorded him was his friend, and Hulk Hogan was having sex with the friend's wife. It was not like a guy posting revenge porn pictures of a woman he was pissed off with.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Right. And it's sh!t like this which is why I'm anti-feminist. And as you can see, I've been attacked consistently for that over the last two pages, by people who have refused to directly address the headline itself.

I tend to stay out of these threads lately because they're just so f*cking depressing, but these are exactly the battles men face when trying to call out examples of sexism. Object to that article because of the headline? You're attacking some poor woman writing about her rape experience. Anything we post gets twisted so that it can mean something different instead of simply taken at face value, as it was intended.

Well as a woman, I feel the same about the spite that gets thrown online at women, funnily enough. Maybe we should all work together?

Ice Maiden wrote: »

But look at the context. The person who recorded him was his friend, and Hulk Hogan was having sex with the friend's wife. It was not like a guy posting revenge porn pictures of a woman he was pissed off with.

Ah right so he did it for the lulz so it's alright. Strangely enough when the made up story about the UCD lads was doing the rounds it was doing it for the lulz which was the made up issue.