Equal right - Losing it's balance in favour of women?

On TheJournal.ie - now I know I should not have read the vile comments but I made the mistake of doing so - people were blaming feminism for the Hulk Hogan tape. THAT is the calibre of commenter on TheJournal.ie

Boards is far better quality in fairness.

bluewolf wrote: »

You're having a whinge about your feelings being hurt because someone posted an article about wanting support after being raped.
There are literally no words to describe how insane that is.
Oh those evil feminazis why don't they just shut up

I'm outta here

I'm having a whinge because the article said, in these exact words, "It’s time for all men to get a little bit uncomfortable about the culture we all operate in". That's exactly why I'm pissed. Are you going to address that blatantly sexist headline or are you not?

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If that's your rebuttal to the article I posted, perhaps the first line should be "I'm really upset because my wife cheated on me - it's time for all women to feel uncomfortable about it"

You're having a whinge about your feelings being hurt because someone posted an article about wanting support after being raped. Half the article is literally men are great, your support is invaluable to us, men are great, I hold men in high esteem. And yet.
There are literally no words to describe how insane that is.
Oh those evil sexist feminazis why don't they just shut up

I'm outta here

bluewolf wrote: »

"I'm really upset because my wife cheated on me"
"right but I didn't cheat on you"
"I didn't say you did"
"I don't see why you're telling me this. Is it because I'm female? Are you blaming me? I didn't cheat on you"
"Listen I'm just saying I'm really upset because my wife cheated on me. And nobody is being supportive or giving a damn"
"Are you saying I'm to blame for your wife cheating? Stop judging all women like this. You're hurting MY feelings you know."

Every fcukin time, this is how it goes.

If that's your rebuttal to the article I posted, perhaps the first line should be "I'm really upset because my wife cheated on me - it's time for all women to feel uncomfortable about it"

B0jangles wrote: »

Colour me surprised - you dismiss immediate, current, blatant misogyny in favour of fishing for any hint of anti-any-aspect-of-modern-male-behavior-thinking in any source whatsoever.

Egalitarianism.txt

I don't give a f*ck what people post on Boards, it is and always has been full of toxic opinions. Believe me, if an article on the Journal was posted espousing the views espoused in this thread, I'd be sharing it all over the place and calling the paper out for publishing it.

And I didn't go fishing for that article, I saw it on my news feed yesterday.

bluewolf wrote: »

The whole article said exactly otherwise.
If you stop insisting everyone is out to get you and read it a bit better??

I did read it. Doesn't change the fact that a sexist headline is a sexist headline.

Jairo Fit Tenor wrote: »

Back to the wild cries of "boards is full of misogyny" I see....

Oh no, it is not full of it - but there is some for definite. I guess it's not easy to see it when it's not aimed at you.

"I'm really upset because my wife cheated on me"
"right but I didn't cheat on you"
"I didn't say you did"
"I don't see why you're telling me this. Is it because I'm female? Are you blaming me? I didn't cheat on you"
"Listen I'm just saying I'm really upset because my wife cheated on me. And nobody is being supportive or giving a damn"
"Are you saying I'm to blame for your wife cheating? Stop judging all women like this. You're hurting MY feelings you know."

Every fcukin time, this is how it goes.

steddyeddy wrote: »

One poster made vile comments and because every male poster doesn't condemn them (I actually didn't see them) you come out with classy comments like "most egalitarians" and "you people".

Not everyone is out to get you.

None of them did.

NONE.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

They're completely moronic, and I can never understand why discussions about equal rights always have to descend into that kind of bullsh!t. It's rather like how any discussion of modern day reunification vs independence of Northern Ireland turns into a ridiculous debate about ancient tribes.

I can only hope they are not sincerely held beliefs.

You are again missing the point though - that's some random post on a forum. The article I linked to is mainstream. You don't find publications like The Journal publishing openly misogynistic articles, but an article which opens with "It’s time for all men to get a little bit uncomfortable about the culture we all operate in" is perfectly acceptable? F*ck that.

Colour me surprised - you dismiss immediate, current, blatant misogyny in favour of fishing for any hint of anti-any-aspect-of-modern-male-behavior-thinking in any source whatsoever.

Egalitarianism.txt

Back to the wild cries of "boards is full of misogyny" I see....

steddyeddy

B0jangles wrote: »

Anything to say about Thinkprogress's vile opinions or are you going to just double-down like hatrickpatrick?

You people just keep on making my point for me...

One poster made vile comments and because every male poster doesn't condemn them (I actually didn't see them) you come out with classy comments like "most egalitarians" and "you people".

Not everyone is out to get you.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The article opens with "It’s time for all men to get a little bit uncomfortable about the culture we all operate in". That's what I object to. The article presumes guilt by association - that the fact that some men are w@nkers is my problem just because I'm also a man.

The whole article said exactly otherwise.
If you stop insisting everyone is out to get you and read it a bit better??

bluewolf wrote: »

How awful, fetch my smelling salts

Terrible!
Hideous!

The article opens with "It’s time for all men to get a little bit uncomfortable about the culture we all operate in". That's what I object to. The article presumes guilt by association - that the fact that some men are w@nkers is my problem just because I'm also a man.
Is the fact that some women cheat on their husbands your problem just because you're also a woman? Personally I don't think so and I wouldn't insinuate that because I believe it'd make me a sexist asshole...

jimgoose

No. I'm a man, provider, protector, and Custodian of The Torque-Wrenches. If you're intimidated by a bunch of burds you're a second-rate Beta wannabe and I suggest you get rid of the stupid-looking beard and put on some trousers and proper shoes.

B0jangles wrote: »

Do you have anything whatsoever to say about Thinkprogress's appalling posts or are you siding with most of the one-sided bigoted asses as most 'egalitarians'?

They're completely moronic, and I can never understand why discussions about equal rights always have to descend into that kind of bullsh!t. It's rather like how any discussion of modern day reunification vs independence of Northern Ireland turns into a ridiculous debate about ancient tribes.

I can only hope they are not sincerely held beliefs.

You are again missing the point though - that's some random post on a forum. The article I linked to is mainstream. You don't find publications like The Journal publishing openly misogynistic articles, but an article which opens with "It’s time for all men to get a little bit uncomfortable about the culture we all operate in" is perfectly acceptable? F*ck that.

steddyeddy wrote: »

Pot meet kettle.

Anything to say about Thinkprogress's vile opinions or are you going to just double-down like hatrickpatrick?

You people just keep on making my point for me...

steddyeddy

B0jangles wrote: »

Do you have anything whatsoever to say about Thinkprogress's appalling posts or are you siding with most of the one-sided bigoted asses as most 'egalitarians'?

Pot meet kettle.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This is not some obscure weirdo on the internet nor is it an irrelevant forum post, it's an article in one of the most widely read e-papers in Ireland. That's just one example, want more?

Do you have anything whatsoever to say about Thinkprogress's appalling posts or are you siding with most of the one-sided bigoted asses as most 'egalitarians'?

Edit: Oh ****, the person in your quoted article she spoke abut her experiences of being abused and how such abuse is dismissed and sidelined?
You think THAT is a rebuttal of my calling out on the acceptance and normalization of casual misogyny on Boards?

I hold men to a high esteem and a high standard.
They can handle compassionate non-judgmental but tough conversations. I know they can because I’ve had these conversations with them.

How awful, fetch my smelling salts

I want you to know how supported I feel when you share an article about rape culture online.
I want you to know how encouraged I feel when you denounce the latest lenient rape sentencing, when you decry sexual exploitation, when you interrupt a sexist joke, when you challenge male entitlement.

Terrible!
Hideous!

B0jangles wrote: »

My point is that their obnoxious attitudes are rarely, if ever questioned by the same boards 'Egalitarians' who spend so much of their time finding obscure weirdoes on the internet as examples of all that is wrong with modern feminism.

If they were true egalitarians they would be as active in fighting negative stereotypes about women as they are about men, but strangely enough, that never happens.

I know, weird, isn't it?

This is not some obscure weirdo on the internet nor is it an irrelevant forum post, it's an article in one of the most widely read e-papers in Ireland. That's just one example, want more?

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Whether you like it or not, men have been - and continue to be - the leading gender of our species. (alongside - predominantly in recent history - a great many very capable and competent women)

Where does the lengthy time when women were considered inferior (no vote nd dat) fit into this?

ThinkProgress

B0jangles wrote: »

Is this really the standard of discourse Boards is happy with these days?

A sad sack of a dude who claims that the only reason woman have any freedom at all is because men have chosen not to brutalize them into silent submission?

Throwing around insults doesn't add any more gravitas to your points. In fact it just makes you appear childish and petulant.

Where did I say anything about brutalizing women?

Without even realizing it, you are indicating that YOU TOO believe men's historical position as the leading gender of our species was/is solely down to our larger muscles and physical force. A truly ridiculous notion!

This is hugely degrading to the capabilities of men! As a man why would I not be insulted by this suggestion?

Whether you like it or not, men have been - and continue to be - the leading gender of our species. (alongside - predominantly in recent history - a great many very capable and competent women)

And I can guarantee you that there is a great deal more behind that position than merely just brawn. To think otherwise, just shows how little respect some people have for male capabilities and characteristics!

steddyeddy

B0jangles wrote: »

My point is that their obnoxious attitudes are rarely, if ever questioned by the same boards 'Egalitarians' who spend so much of their time finding obscure weirdoes on the internet as examples of all that is wrong with modern feminism.

If they were true egalitarians they would be as active in fighting negative stereotypes about women as they are about men, but strangely enough, that never happens.

I know, weird, isn't it?

I actually participate in Athena Swan which attempt to involve more minorities in STEM subjects. I am very definitely an egalitarian. Simply put it means I strive for equality of opportunity for all groups.

Why would I give myself a label that is representative of one group.

pragmatic1

Jayop wrote: »

It's my opinion not a researched viewpoint so I'm not going to be handing out sources.

1) 2:1 hiring rations I take it you're referring to things like nursing and teaching? If so then it's much much more likely that it's purely down to the fact that that's the ratio of people entering those fields and not discriminatory hiring practices. In fact in the case of NS teaching I've been told that schools are crying out for male teachers.

2) Surely the ratio of men Vs woman in other trades is skewed even more in favour of men. Bricklaying, carpentry, auto mechanics etc.

3) There's laws against discrimination in hiring but it's very hard to prove that it takes place. I work in a HR type job now and I can assure you that certain employers will favour white male new hires over most others including more qualified candidates.

4) There's more discrimination or sexism than just in employment. Go to a pub on a Saturday night and see woman being harassed constantly by plebs who seem to assume that just because the woman are out then they're fair game to annoy for the night.

"3) There's laws against discrimination in hiring but it's very hard to prove that it takes place. I work in a HR type job now and I can assure you that certain employers will favour white male new hires over most others including more qualified candidates".

Now that's one profession that's without a doubt dominated by women.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

To lighten the mood.

http://dpi.studioxx.org/sites/dpi.1.sxx.kommun-it.org/files/9-need-feminist.png

My irony meter exploded.

But... maybe the culture being referred to on her sign is her own culture? What other culture would it be?

darkpagandeath

To lighten the mood.

http://dpi.studioxx.org/sites/dpi.1.sxx.kommun-it.org/files/9-need-feminist.png

My irony meter exploded.

Foxtrol

B0jangles wrote: »

My point is that their obnoxious attitudes are rarely, if ever questioned by the same boards 'Egalitarians' who spend so much of their time finding obscure weirdoes on the internet as examples of all that is wrong with modern feminism.

If they were true egalitarians they would be as active in fighting negative stereotypes about women as they are about men, but strangely enough, that never happens.

I know, weird, isn't it?

The problem is you don’t have to go finding obscure weirdos on the internet to see examples of what’s wrong with modern feminism; it’s all over the mainstream media.

The mainstream media regularly jump on any chance to report on the latest outrage from that group, which many times has zero justification in evidence, but the outrage about it will still be reported.