Dawggone wrote: » The crop was planted as pure crimson clover but it now has about 15 or 20% wild ryegrass. It should test, if properly conserved, at around 22 - 24% protein. From experience this is almost impossible to conserve...the first time I pitted this it ended up in the dung heap. I tried to source some molasses yesterday and it's expensive, so I'm thinking on making wraps now and using lots of plastic. Getting a good wilt would be easy if I could ted it out, but that's not possible with clover as the leaves would be lost. Maybe just leave it for an extra or two after cutting? '10-10-20 down the spout'...showing your age there Free!
whelan2 wrote: » Had a farmer ring me late last night for a bottle of magnesium. He's a suckler farmer
Dawggone wrote: » Update EU dairy crisis meeting on Monday. The French and Germans are now pushing hard for temporary reduction across the EU. The fact that states like Ireland could pump out milk while France reduces supply isn't going down well... At this stage I think the politicians should leave well alone and see the whites of the eyes of the different producing regions. The only problem with that is small producers will go...
jaymla627 wrote: » Thinking back to 09 America brought in a herd retirement program that subsidised culling dairy cows from your herd, it worked a treat with an extra half a million dairy cows been slaughtered that year, could be the perfect solution once a good sub per cow was payed out... Would be a 1000 times more effective then simply trying to impose temporary quotas as your removing the cow entirely from the system and also the replacement dairy stock she might of produced
Panch18 wrote: » And screwing the price of beef in the process!!!
whelan2 wrote: » is everyone's Glanbia connect down or just mine?
einn32 wrote: » I visited a guy milking over 200 cows in south east Victoria a month back. He just bought land and was looking to push to 300 eventually. He made the same point about high leverage. He said it gets him up in the mornings! It's a different way of looking at things.
jaymla627 wrote: » Down here aswell, milk cheque is in account so not to worried haha
jaymla627 wrote: » .....I get up a lot easier in the mornings knowing the bank manager in town hasn't the deeds to the farm and my dangly bits in his hand
Milked out wrote: » What would ye make of this for grass. Maize 23% Barley 20% Sugar beet pulp 20% Maize distillers 20 Hipro soya 8% Molasses 3% Vit and min 6% Would come to 14.5% p 30% starch and an NDF of 31.2% Would be feeding 4kgs,, no quotes yet.
jaymla627 wrote: » Lots of ways of looking at things alright, my old boss sold out his farm out their last month due to debt issues nearly owed what his farm was worth in bank loans was farming 1200 cows across two farms another guy beside him similar set-up sold out to a Chinese group also debt levels where sky high too.... Second guy was a top class operator who I had a good chat to about all things dairying and debt levels his take on it was as the years went on and he kept on expanding/buying ground also has another 1200 cow herd in another region he was simply eroding his equity that he had built up when he had payed off his first farm that had been bought cheap in the 80's.... Once your comfortable with losing control of all your assets to a bank I'd say fire away, but with the current outlook for milk I get up a lot easier in the mornings knowing the bank manager in town hasn't the deeds to the farm and my dangly bits in his hand
freedominacup wrote: » You're trying to stop a butyric fermetation. Acid is what you need. Basically you've a huge amount of N floating around. Would one of those mowers which are spreading a 2.5m cut over 2.2m help? Will the clover cope with being raked? The best solution for high N is high dm.
jaymla627 wrote: Thinking back to 09 America brought in a herd retirement program that subsidised culling dairy cows from your herd, it worked a treat with an extra half a million dairy cows been slaughtered that year, could be the perfect solution once a good sub per cow was payed out... Would be a 1000 times more effective then simply trying to impose temporary quotas as your removing the cow entirely from the system and also the replacement dairy stock she might of produced
kowtow wrote: » Sensible route that. But i wonder in Ireland if that might not end up increasing the price of heifers faster than the price of milk. If it were up to me before trying to manipulate supply I'd suggest legislating to pay a large chunk of senior salaries in first purchasers and coops in the form of litres of milk (virtual litres) to be cashed in at the average price of the most recent quarter. There's a recent precedent for this, after 2008 EU legislation forced big parts of bankers bonuses into so called coco bonds - continent convertibles - which lose their value rapidly if the banks balance sheet (ie. The customer's money) is threatened. It's an interesting way of aligning the interests of the bankers with those of its suppliers, sorry retail customers. I can imagine a few cries of 'endangered investment' but I suspect that the investments most endangered would be those parked outside the houses of overpaid executives.
Dawggone wrote: It could work. I also think that the direct solution of slaughtering of thousands of cows would rather sharpen the minds of the non farming community...
kowtow wrote: » The problem for Ireland is that restricting supply will make no difference without a liquid market to respond to the trigger. What Ireland needs is other countries to restrict supplies down to the level of local consumption so that they stop exporting. Other countries could be forgiven for not seeing things this way, or indeed not wishing to subsidise irish production indirectly or otherwise. We are - like NZ - speculators in global milk markets and loss taking comes with the territory. But it goes without saying that as much as we are speculative global farmers our processors are party to the same bet as we are. If they are not feeling it as hard as we are we've set things up wrong.
Dawggone wrote: » Good points Kt. So if my milk here in France is going to the home liquid market it shouldn't be factored into the global commodity market? Therefore, liquid and commodity milk are essentially two completely different products because they go to two different markets? I'd have to agree with that. The Irish CoP is clouded by many factors...the fact that land has been inherited so it's taken as 'free'...the lack of control of house building has the unique phrase 'road frontage' which comes in handy in troubled times like now...family labour on farm...merchant credit...complete lack of nitrate regulation etc.
yosemitesam1 wrote: » That could turn into mouldy sh1te with a heavy wilt its very different to grass. Grass would have 15-20% wsc and need 5-7% for a good fermentation, legumes would probably need 12-15% wsc because of their buffering capacity but only start with under 10%, a heavy wilt will only make that worse and allow the protein to degrade since there won't be any nitrate problem to get rid of there's no advantage to a heavy wilt, acid or fuel for the bacteria to make acid only solution imo
