Milked out wrote: » Are many on here in derogation territory? In it here and Can't spread a bag of p here under nitrates so tightening up in this by putting all n allowance back to 170kg would knock me back anyway and I'd imagine many more.
RightTurnClyde wrote: » In Derogation here aswell ( and in Reps till end of 2015.... Tis a great country). Removing derogation would be a major kick is the ass for me. (Scratching head)
Dawggone wrote: » There's a lot of negative media coming out of France and Germany about the extra production coming from IRL, DK, UK, BE and NL. Rumblings about enforcing nitrate regs on those countries... There is a lot of talk also that the Irish Ag dept did not show up at a meeting about the scheme proposed by FR and DE. The confidence of the French that their proposals will be considered comes from the fact that the Germans have rowed in behind them. What happens to Belview if this becomes law? Irexit along with Brexit?:) Edit. "We will build a wall around Ireland, and the Irish will pay for it!"...
jaymla627 wrote: » The nitrates route is the best tool they have and it will cost them zilch, simply scrap derogation, strictly enforce 170kg/ha limit and prohibit the exportation of slurry/dung off farm and you'd go a he'll of away to stopping the likes of Ireland expanding its dairy herd Go a step further and pay the drystock/beef lads a top-up in their bps if their nitrates are under 100kg/ha that was high enough to discourage them from renting ground to dairy farmers and you have the thing sewn-up
freedominacup wrote: » I was thinking the opposite dawg. Certain individuals who Simon or any other minister for ag would always take a phonecall from are being inconvenienced to say the least by the stricter enforcement of the regs in this area. A place that would often see a million gals/day being moved on a day like today has slurry flowing out the gates and not a tanker in sight apart from a neighbour of mine who took a grand total of 9k gals from two of their units this week. No one has any spare capacity to import and there's no blind eye anymore.
Dawggone wrote: » What happens to Belview if this becomes law? Irexit along with Brexit?:) Edit. "We will build a wall around Ireland, and the Irish will pay for it!"...
RightTurnClyde wrote: » Any wonder why ICOS are the first out to knock it. If it is 10c/litre and if it is voluntary, I think it will encourage a lot of farmers near retirement to pull the plug. Something like that would lift prices fast. But who pays the 10c. And it ups the game for Glanbia et al to improve their payments if they're competing with a 10c/litre "setaside" I think it would be great, really throws the cat into the pigeons. Coops would really know what work is then, as thy try to hold suppliers and litres. It would be some stick to have to beat them with. The derogation suggestion on the other hand....now that would be a balls. Shoves the problem back onto the farmer.
degetme wrote: » How quickly can one graze paddocks that got 40 units of pasture sward Thursday without harming the cows?
jaymla627 wrote: » I was at 411kg/ha for 2015 and have been plus 300kg for 2014/2014 haven't had so much as a inspection only correspondence is letters outlining cuts to my bps which I don't receive anyways as have no entitlements
visatorro wrote: » fairly sure fraz used to spread between milkings and return cows to paddock no problem.
Dawggone wrote: » +1. Excellent post. Europe is not NZ, and never will be... My N allowance is 74.8units/ha and there is absolutely no way around it. Coming to a country near you, soon.
Timmaay wrote: » Turfed afew cows out to a Paddock one evening afew week back that my dad had only spread a bag that day, got a fair bollocking from him over it ha, didn't do the cows any harm.
mahoney_j wrote: » So basically if dero limits are dropped as u suggested earlier u be seriously fooked at that high an n kg/he
yosemitesam1 wrote: » I'd say it'll be here sooner than many would think teagasc included, but there is still huge untapped potential to reduce inputs while maintaining good output
Dawggone wrote: » It will need a major reverse of policy from the Ag establishment, but you're correct, there are major savings to be made by embracing the use of old time farming methods coupled with modern research. Dare I say the cussword...clover?
mahoney_j wrote: » Clover that Fookin weed!!!!,we don't have the climate here for it bar maby a few weeks in the year .anywhere with heavy clover awards will have virtually no grass all spring and open weed filled swards
RightTurnClyde wrote: » As much as Ireland isn't NZ, it isn't France either.
Dawggone wrote: » It will need a major reverse of policy from the Ag establishment, but you're correct, there are major savings to be made by embracing the use of old time farming methods coupled with modern research.Dare I say the cussword...clover?
jaymla627 wrote: » Current set-up was due to new entrant quota system when I got into milk in 2013 which ment had to have a 3 year lease on ground in my own name so my da just rented us 40 acres off a 150 acre block to get around this.... Lease is up now so will consolidate the whole lot this year, just looking into the best way to go about it.... Never applied for dero/filled in any paperwork/exported slurry, was quiet surprised I haven't had a inspection to date but having racked a a teagasc advisors brain on the subject in my situation where I hadn't a bps for them penelise me on the only way I could off got myself into trouble was if I was found to off caused pollution by the local county council as I have adequate slurry storage/housing for a 16 week closed period
Milked out wrote: » 8 cows bulling + rain = 3 acres in pure ****
