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UFC 196: McGregor v Diaz

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RedemptionZ

JJayoo wrote: »

Last night's fight was essentially a 155 fight. There is no way he will dominate at 155, just look at the roster, full of machines who just happen to have high level jujitsu.

However there are still a lot of interesting fights out there, Pettis/Barbossa vs McG would be a strikers wet dream. You also have a rematch with Duffy at some stage

Yup. People don't realise that first of all the LW division is far more stacked than the FW division and secondly that McGregor isn't a big LW, he's average sized, possibly even small.

Looking back on it, he probably should have stayed in FW and defended his belt a few times to cement his legacy a bit better. At the moment he's only really got two impressive wins, Aldo and Mendes (who didn't have a full camp).

Subcomandante Marcos

threeball wrote: »

UFC dublin FS1 headliner right there

As long as he's holding a belt, he won't be fighting FS1 fightcards, he's still the biggest draw in the UFC alongside Ronda, back down to 145, defend against Frankie and Aldo (in that order preferably) and then talk up a move to 155 again.

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c montgomery wrote: »

Did he only gas after the shot to the chin tho? I think he might have been dazed rather than gassed as his hands dropped and movement diminished.

He was gassed long before that shot to the chin, I've never seen him breathing so heavily. It wasn't long into the second round before it started.

blade1

That_Guy wrote: »

I have finally resurfaced.

What time is the fight on?

Anytime from 3am on. Make sure you dont fall asleep and miss it!

Subcomandante Marcos

Sergio Georgini wrote: »

He was gassed long before that shot to the chin, I've never seen him breathing so heavily. It wasn't long into the second round before it started.

He said it himself in the presser, he was loading up and swinging at air and then throwing wheelkicks at nothing and after the start of the second round anything he did land was hitting glove. He just emptied his tank too early hunting for a KO, he'll learn from it and move on.

That said, I think he'll go out to finish whoever he fights at 145 in the first again to prove a point.

Utopia Parkway

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Yup. People don't realise that first of all the LW division is far more stacked than the FW division and secondly that McGregor isn't a big LW, he's average sized, possibly even small.

Looking back on it, he probably should have stayed in FW and defended his belt a few times to cement his legacy a bit better. At the moment he's only really got two impressive wins, Aldo and Mendes (who didn't have a full camp).

Poirier and Holloway are good wins in fairness. Two very good fighters in their own right.

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FollowMyWay

The lack of game plan finally caught up with Conor for me. From all his recent fights he just does the same thing which has been working but at some point it comes down to fine margins and it won't. He has massive cojones for taking the fight in the first place, but his team have to look at themselves. Letting him go in there and blow his load going for the KO was a massive mistake and he said so himself. Not only for a bigger oppenent but for Nate who is super durable.

The fight was great, he came out and back Diaz up straight away which did surprise me a little, I thought Nate wouldn't be easily pushed back, but he was. Conor just threw too many power shots, the kicks were not good at all, legs kicks and front kicks to the abdomen would of been much more effective. Conor had the better of it in round one and easily won it, but you could see he was looking tired, mouth open breathing hard, he tried to cover it with the "all day, I can do this all day".

He was still good for 2 minutes of round two, but once Nate landed his first big shot, Conors energy drained, he got lit up and turned to a desperate takedown. People are criticizing his ground game, but he got out of the guillotine and it was only for the lack of energy that he couldn't capitalize and get up. Nate did excellent to take his back, pound him and quickly sink in the choke. Great win for Nate, I would give him the title shot at 200, he deserves it, I just hope he shows up in shape. Conor tapped, but so would most people, espically the one's talking shit on here.

He's still an Irish sporting legend and the current featherweight champ. I don't even think I'll see another Irish UFC champ in my life time, it's a pleasure to follow Conors fights since 2008 and I look forward to seeing him fight again, he's a great showman and fighter.

Holly V Meisha was fantastic! I thought Meisha had the choke in round 2 but Holly showed great heart to stick it out. I wouldn't of given it a 10-8, wasn't even close to it. Meisha really didn't do much in rounds 1,3,4. She was very cautious through out the fight, but that was probably the best game plan to have with Holly's footwork and boxing. In round five she "risked it for the biscuit", and really have to hand it to her keeping Holly down, taking her time and getting the choke, it was excellent.

I'm not sure they'll do Meisha V Ronda III for 200 but I would love to see Cat Zingano fight Meisha again.

Tough loss for Irish fans, but we are use to that from most sports

That_Guy

I think the real question we should be asking ourselves is:

Who's up for going to see Hardcore Henry?

RedemptionZ

Going away from Conor, I'm sure it was said in the thread at the time but Tom Lawlor was absolutely robbed by the judges. How he was scored to have lost the first round I don't know.

Wrongway1985

Think all I could say last night was Wow and caught between anticipation for the main event but Meisha Tate have to admire her will always does her best to try dig deep and leave it in there even if she goes down she goes down fighting.

Knew she had a chance being a difficult match up for Holly but honestly never actually thought she would get the W, Was like she was in limbo there for awhile like when taking fights against the awkward Korean girl and now she's the champ fair fecks, hard not to feel sorry for Holly though.

Utopia Parkway

FollowMyWay wrote: »

Conor just threw too many power shots, the kicks were not good at all, legs kicks and front kicks to the abdomen would of been much more effective.

Conor is weird. For all the fancy capoeira kicks and everything it's like he never learned a basic leg kick. Hardly every throws one.

That_Guy

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Going away from Conor, I'm sure it was said in the thread at the time but Tom Lawlor was absolutely robbed by the judges. How he was scored to have lost the first round I don't know.

This was the most frustrating part of the night outside of Conor. I've watched the first round back and I just don't see how two judges can give that opening round to Anderson.

It's baffling.

threeball

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

As long as he's holding a belt, he won't be fighting FS1 fightcards, he's still the biggest draw in the UFC alongside Ronda, back down to 145, defend against Frankie and Aldo (in that order preferably) and then talk up a move to 155 again.

If he's fighting Duffy it'll be at 155 and not for a belt. Don't see him in the title mix at 155 with his current grappling/ground game

Utopia Parkway

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Going away from Conor, I'm sure it was said in the thread at the time but Tom Lawlor was absolutely robbed by the judges. How he was scored to have lost the first round I don't know.

Robbed blind of the first round yes but the second round was close and Anderson won the third. So probably not a robbery overall. Could have gone either way.

Saipanne

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Yup. People don't realise that first of all the LW division is far more stacked than the FW division and secondly that McGregor isn't a big LW, he's average sized, possibly even small.

Looking back on it, he probably should have stayed in FW and defended his belt a few times to cement his legacy a bit better. At the moment he's only really got two impressive wins, Aldo and Mendes (who didn't have a full camp).

Poirier and Holloway have gone on to do good things since their defeats to McGregor. They are no easy wins.

Subcomandante Marcos

That_Guy wrote: »

I think the real question we should be asking ourselves is:

Who's up for going to see Hardcore Henry?

I'll find out when it's on using the new android app on my phone which is running on the lightening fast LTE 4G Metro CPS network, unlimited data for only $35 period.

Tigger

i spilled bud lite on mine

Subcomandante Marcos

Tigger wrote: »

i spilled bud lite on mine

Even for that, it's the perfect beer. Whatever happens really.

Subcomandante Marcos

Watching again, at 2.50is left in the second round Nate starts finding his range with the jab and starts picking Conor off every time he comes in, starts slipping conors lead uppercut and landing the straight left as well, then at 2.23 move out of the way of a right and throws a beautiful left cross that puts Conor back on his heels and then went for the Kill.

In fairness to McGregor, he took some big, big shots and didn't fall down.

callaway92

I know the loss is no disaster, but having a loss to Nate Diaz on your record is a pretty ugly black spot.

Gatekeeper level fighter.

bmcc10

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Watching again, at 2.50is left in the second round Nate starts finding his range with the jab and starts picking Conor off every time he comes in, starts slipping conors lead uppercut and landing the straight left as well, then at 2.23 move out of the way of a right and throws a beautiful left cross that puts Conor back on his heels and then went for the Kill.

In fairness to McGregor, he took some big, big shots and didn't fall down.

Just watched that too, Something weird when Conors fighting before the fight and during it i only seem to focus on what he's doing and when he's connecting must be green tainted glasses but after watching it back Diaz landed some decent shots even in the in the 1st round was dissapointed he didn't target the leg more though he threw a oblique leg kick that seemed to bend Diaz's leg back but didn't do much more after that, Intresting now to see how he bounces back and with that air of invincibility gone. Have be happy for Diaz all the same.

threeball

Conor offering his neck as soon as he rolled over from the mount was pathetic on second watch. Didn't even try to tuck his chin

Myrddin

Gutted for Conor, I thought he won the first & by the second looked to be finding his groove. The left from Nate changed everything though, & it rocked Conor big time. This talk of his ground game being exposed is nonsense, the take down attempt was never, ever, going to win him the fight, & he knew that. It was either take it to the ground, or stay standing, get the head lumped off him for 2+ minutes, & lose the fight that way. BY taking it to the ground & being submitted, he's probably made the road to his next fight that bit easier than it would have been if he was ko'd. It wasn't a take down attempt, I think at that point he knew the fight was lost, & the only thing he could control was how he was going to lose.

That said, a fight with RDA seems a long way off now. Even at that, RDA is streets ahead of Nate, so it might never happen. I'm happy Nate won though, he seems a good skin.

Conor will have to defend at 145, but also carry the weight of a defeat to that defence too...interesting times ahead. As said previously, his opponents will have answers for the thrash talk now, & Conor will need to find a new angle for all that. He'll bounce back though, & likely be better than ever too.

threeball

Myrddin wrote: »

Gutted for Conor, I thought he won the first & by the second looked to be finding his groove. The left from Nate changed everything though, & it rocked Conor big time. This talk of his ground game being exposed is nonsense, the take down attempt was never, ever, going to win him the fight, & he knew that. It was either take it to the ground, or stay standing, get the head lumped off him for 2+ minutes, & lose the fight that way. BY taking it to the ground & being submitted, he's probably made the road to his next fight that bit easier than it would have been if he was ko'd. It wasn't a take down attempt, I think at that point he knew the fight was lost, & the only thing he could control was how he was going to lose.

That said, a fight with RDA seems a long way off now. Even at that, RDA is streets ahead of Nate, so it might never happen. I'm happy Nate won though, he seems a good skin.

Conor will have to defend at 145, but also carry the weight of a defeat to that defence too...interesting times ahead. As said previously, his opponents will have answers for the thrash talk now, & Conor will need to find a new angle for all that. He'll bounce back though, & likely be better than ever too.

from mount to choke took about 7 seconds. That's either white belt defence or gutless cop out. At least try to defend yourself. Anyone else did that but Mcgregor and people on here would be tearing him apart.

everlast75

threeball wrote: »

from mount to choke took about 7 seconds. That's either white belt defence or gutless cop out. At least try to defend yourself. Anyone else did that but Mcgregor and people on here would be tearing him apart.

It's clear he was not able to think straight after taking those punches!?

Andre 3000

threeball wrote: »

from mount to choke took about 7 seconds. That's either white belt defence or gutless cop out. At least try to defend yourself. Anyone else did that but Mcgregor and people on here would be tearing him apart.

You're heavily underrating Nate's submission skills.

Paully D

threeball wrote: »

from mount to choke took about 7 seconds. That's either white belt defence or gutless cop out. At least try to defend yourself. Anyone else did that but Mcgregor and people on here would be tearing him apart.

He was completely rocked FFS.

Look at Packalen last weekend in London for example. Landed a heavy shot on Gouti, took his back and finished with a choke. The entire fight lasted 24 seconds. The time between the uppercut landing and the tap was about 10 seconds in total.

No one in their right mind is going to criticse any fighter who was rocked from giving up that choke, McGregor or not. It would be mind-numbingly stupid.

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