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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Warning link in OP 20/3

Lord TSC

Would love to have started this off with news Jose was signing. Hopefully soon. Hopefully this thread has more luck than the last....

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RobertKK

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yet people think investment banker Woodward is the man to run the football side of the club. If this guy isn't qualified to do so then there should be no assumption that Woodward is either.

David Gill was an accountant.

Lord TSC

astradave wrote: »

Mourinho had a question and answer session in Singapore and he came out with this. Seems to tie in with the coming in the summer rumours.

As a fan, it sucks having to write off the season. But if thats the cost of getting Jose in, so be it. Will be a very, very fun summer if he comes in...

ronjo

Lord TSC wrote: »

As a fan, it sucks having to write off the season. But if thats the cost of getting Jose in, so be it. Will be a very, very fun summer if he comes in...

Could be some crazy bidding wars with City and Chelsea. Fully expect the world record transfer fee to go.

Mitch Connor

RobertKK wrote: »

David Gill was an accountant.

and there shouldn't be an assumption that he would be qualified for the role either. Also, Gill worked his way to that position at the Club more organically.

Main point is if people say this guy being able to turn around JD Sports is no proof he could run the football side of United than the same should be held true of Woodward (and Gill) until they prove otherwise.

I would also think there are a lot of rose tinted specticles with regards to Gill - he missed out on transfer targets, lost out on deals, turned tail on the Glazer take-over and, by his own words, could never have overseen the commercial rise United has had over the last number of years - his own opinion was that the United brand was as highly leveraged as it could be. The Glazers and Woodward have proven the PLC hadn't even scratched the surface; though that is a commerical aspect and not a football one.

Gill (and Fergie) were also more instrumental in appointing Moyes than Woodward was - so of the ONE managerial appointment Gill needed to make, he completely screwed up, and any criticisms of the United youth system will have started under his watch - obviously Fergie will have been a bigger influence in that area than Moyes or LVG have been - but if Woodward cops blame for the state of the structures at United (because in his 3rd year he has failed to adequately address them yet) then so most Gill as the rot started under him

bucketybuck

RobertKK wrote: »

David Gill was an accountant.

The best thing David Gill ever did for his own reputation was to leave Manchester United at the right time.

Personally I don't care if the CEO is a former accountant or investment banker, in fact those professions can even be a huge benefit to the role. The only thing that matters is how they perform in the job.

Unfortunately Ed Woodward seems to be one of the only CEO's of a worldwide franchise who isn't held accountable for whats happening on his watch.

[Deleted User]

Cock-teasing all you Jose fans again this morning.
Jose hows to play the media I'l give him that much. Sounds to me like he's waiting for the summer / right move

Anyone know much about Rafa Silva? He's been linked with us in the Summer

Mitch Connor

Lord TSC wrote: »

As a fan, it sucks having to write off the season. But if thats the cost of getting Jose in, so be it. Will be a very, very fun summer if he comes in...

I would be fine with this if we aren't repeating the same mistakes we made with Moyes.

If Mourinho knows he has the job, then hopefully he is doing squad analysis and transfer analysis in the background, and working with Woodward in identifying the players to target for next season - and not pissing about til July doing nothing useful as it appears was the case with Moyes.

My worry is that United haven't decided on the next manager and any transfer work they are doing is basically blind with regards what the new man will want or they will wait til July as they did with Moyes, meaning we are horribly positioned for the summer and next season.

It is the reason I want a new manager now, to be honest. Not so much to save this season (which is beyond it imo) but to make sure we are as well positioned for next season as we can be.

Mitch Connor

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Anyone know much about Rafa Silva? He's been linked with us in the Summer

Decent right back, bit of a head case at times though. I like him. :pac:

[Deleted User]

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Decent right back, bit of a head case at times though. I like him. :pac:

lol not him but well played :pac:

The guy that players for S.C. Braga

Lord TSC

Mitch Connor wrote: »

It is the reason I want a new manager now, to be honest. Not so much to save this season (which is beyond it imo) but to make sure we are as well positioned for next season as we can be.

Would agree overall.

Obviously this is all speculation, but my beliefs are as follows, as things stand.

LVG is a dead-man walking; I wouldn't be shocked if those "Win the next two games or you're gone" games were the breaking point, and we started looking for the new manager at that time.

I think if Giggs was going to get it, he'd already be manager; given he's already there and in place, a transition to Giggs would be utterly seemless. There's been reports that Giggs has refused the interm role, but I feel if he was going to be given the job fulltime, then that probably would have happened over the January window. Would imagine he won't want to be Jose's #2, nor will Jose want him as a #2, so chances are Giggs will be off too, once LVG goes.

At this stage, I'm hoping the Jose thing is pretty much done, but Jose has said he doesn't want in this season (fans would expect possibly too much of him at this stage) so he waits till the summer, and spends the next few weeks analyzing and scouting, as well as setting up his backroom.

Since Giggs doesn't want it unless its fulltime, and Jose doesn't want it till the summer, the choice was either LVG till the summer or appoint someone else for a few month, be it Warren Joyce, Harry Redknapp (:P) or someone else. They decided that no available short-term replacement would offer much guarantees about anything. Also, a short term hiring would probably lead to the firings of both LVG and Giggs (if Giggs didn't want the role short term, there'd be little other choice...). So rather than a convoluted mess both now AND in the summer, write the season off in preperation for the summer.

So as it stands, let LVG "retire" in the summer gracefully; announce it in a few weeks (if/once EL and FA Cup are gone) that he'll be leaving and that Jose will assume the role in June. Give Giggs till the summer to sort another job out so he can bow out gracefully too; a statement about "proving himself", etc. Jose comes in. Fingers crossed he's already given his list to Woodward (and, if rumours are true, any new Director appointed) and we make moves for players quickly, both in and out. And we start fresh with Jose and new players in August. With no CL to worry about, Jose will have an easier run at the PL title too; he, much as LVG did last season, will have the easiest first season imaginable since expectations will be lower, and there'll be less games to play.

Of course, all that could be wishful thinking, a blissful ignorance. Most of its based on reports of various degrees of credibility. So knowing my luck, we'll wait till 4th is mathematically impossible, fire LVG and appoint Giggs

Quandary

Lord TSC wrote: »

Would agree overall.

Obviously this is all speculation, but my beliefs are as follows, as things stand.

LVG is a dead-man walking; I wouldn't be shocked if those "Win the next two games or you're gone" games were the breaking point, and we started looking for the new manager at that time.

I think if Giggs was going to get it, he'd already be manager; given he's already there and in place, a transition to Giggs would be utterly seemless. There's been reports that Giggs has refused the interm role, but I feel if he was going to be given the job fulltime, then that probably would have happened over the January window. Would imagine he won't want to be Jose's #2, nor will Jose want him as a #2, so chances are Giggs will be off too, once LVG goes.

At this stage, I'm hoping the Jose thing is pretty much done, but Jose has said he doesn't want in this season (fans would expect possibly too much of him at this stage) so he waits till the summer, and spends the next few weeks analyzing and scouting, as well as setting up his backroom.

Since Giggs doesn't want it unless its fulltime, and Jose doesn't want it till the summer, the choice was either LVG till the summer or appoint someone else for a few month, be it Warren Joyce, Harry Redknapp (:P) or someone else. They decided that no available short-term replacement would offer much guarantees about anything. Also, a short term hiring would probably lead to the firings of both LVG and Giggs (if Giggs didn't want the role short term, there'd be little other choice...). So rather than a convoluted mess both now AND in the summer, write the season off in preperation for the summer.

So as it stands, let LVG "retire" in the summer gracefully; announce it in a few weeks (if/once EL and FA Cup are gone) that he'll be leaving and that Jose will assume the role in June. Give Giggs till the summer to sort another job out so he can bow out gracefully too; a statement about "proving himself", etc. Jose comes in. Fingers crossed he's already given his list to Woodward (and, if rumours are true, any new Director appointed) and we make moves for players quickly, both in and out. And we start fresh with Jose and new players in August. With no CL to worry about, Jose will have an easier run at the PL title too; he, much as LVG did last season, will have the easiest first season imaginable since expectations will be lower, and there'll be less games to play.

Of course, all that could be wishful thinking, a blissful ignorance. Most of its based on reports of various degrees of credibility. So knowing my luck, we'll wait till 4th is mathematically impossible, fire LVG and appoint Giggs

This is exactly what I hope is happening. It is the only explanation that makes any sense and ties in with how the club is behaving now.

The thoughts of a Utd with Mourinho at the helm going head to head against City with Pep at the helm is a mouthwatering prospect. Also the fact that the club have been completely silent amid all this intense Mourinho speculation is very telling. I'm desperately hoping it is anyway!

grumpymunster

Lord TSC wrote: »

Would agree overall.

Obviously this is all speculation, but my beliefs are as follows, as things stand.

LVG is a dead-man walking; I wouldn't be shocked if those "Win the next two games or you're gone" games were the breaking point, and we started looking for the new manager at that time.

I think if Giggs was going to get it, he'd already be manager; given he's already there and in place, a transition to Giggs would be utterly seemless. There's been reports that Giggs has refused the interm role, but I feel if he was going to be given the job fulltime, then that probably would have happened over the January window. Would imagine he won't want to be Jose's #2, nor will Jose want him as a #2, so chances are Giggs will be off too, once LVG goes.

At this stage, I'm hoping the Jose thing is pretty much done, but Jose has said he doesn't want in this season (fans would expect possibly too much of him at this stage) so he waits till the summer, and spends the next few weeks analyzing and scouting, as well as setting up his backroom.

Since Giggs doesn't want it unless its fulltime, and Jose doesn't want it till the summer, the choice was either LVG till the summer or appoint someone else for a few month, be it Warren Joyce, Harry Redknapp (:P) or someone else. They decided that no available short-term replacement would offer much guarantees about anything. Also, a short term hiring would probably lead to the firings of both LVG and Giggs (if Giggs didn't want the role short term, there'd be little other choice...). So rather than a convoluted mess both now AND in the summer, write the season off in preperation for the summer.

So as it stands, let LVG "retire" in the summer gracefully; announce it in a few weeks (if/once EL and FA Cup are gone) that he'll be leaving and that Jose will assume the role in June. Give Giggs till the summer to sort another job out so he can bow out gracefully too; a statement about "proving himself", etc. Jose comes in. Fingers crossed he's already given his list to Woodward (and, if rumours are true, any new Director appointed) and we make moves for players quickly, both in and out. And we start fresh with Jose and new players in August. With no CL to worry about, Jose will have an easier run at the PL title too; he, much as LVG did last season, will have the easiest first season imaginable since expectations will be lower, and there'll be less games to play.

Of course, all that could be wishful thinking, a blissful ignorance. Most of its based on reports of various degrees of credibility. So knowing my luck, we'll wait till 4th is mathematically impossible, fire LVG and appoint Giggs

There is an interim manager free at the minute, don't think he lives too far from Manchester neither.........

brinty

bangkok wrote: »

I seen somewhere this morning a line up if Mourinho became manager..

De Gea

Varane
Smalling
Laporte
Shaw

Schweigstiger

Pogba
Herrera

Martial
Ibrahimovic
Reus

that's 5 new signings, cant see Pogba coming back to us but I think he would make us title favourites if he were to sign.

Also I would rather Darmain RB and put Varane centre back and not sign Laporte, which would mean 4 signings. "Could" see that happening

Fair play Bangkok, that's well reasoned logic.
I don't think we'll sign Ibra, can you imagine his ego along side Jose's..
Varane or Stones are more probable signings at CB and maybe both because I still think Smalling is a liability. I think Smalling needs someone like hummels beside him . His performances have dropped way off in the last couple of months
Pogba might come back, hasn't he said he did love the club (but could anyone believe that) but I think he's more likely to go to Spain or PSG
Reus an interesting call - I see you don't think he's a CM anymore too....
Throw Aubameyang in for forward role maybe!!!

Trigger

brinty wrote: »

Fair play Bangkok, that's well reasoned logic.
I don't think we'll sign Ibra, can you imagine his ego along side Jose's..
Varane or Stones are more probable signings at CB and maybe both because I still think Smalling is a liability. I think Smalling needs someone like hummels beside him . His performances have dropped way off in the last couple of months
Pogba might come back, hasn't he said he did love the club (but could anyone believe that) but I think he's more likely to go to Spain or PSG
Reus an interesting call - I see you don't think he's a CM anymore too....
Throw Aubameyang in for forward role maybe!!!

They were together at Inter.. they have stayed as friends. Which is what leads me to believe he will come for a year

Vic Vinegar

The Beeb have a Mourinho article up with him seemingly saying something slightly different

Jose Mourinho says he does not know about becoming the next Manchester United manager, but is hoping to be back in football this summer.

Earlier this month, BBC Sport reported that United had held talks with representatives of the Portuguese.

Mourinho, 53, was sacked by Chelsea in December, seven months after winning the Premier League title.

Asked if he will replace Louis van Gaal at Old Trafford, Mourinho said: "That's the one million dollar question."

Speaking at a school in Singapore, he added: "Nobody knows and I am the first one not to know. I read so many different things."

"I look to the future with more enthusiasm. Now I enjoy my quiet life in this period when I'm not working in football and I hope in the summer I will be back."

"If I have to return tomorrow, I return tomorrow. I always feel it is better to wait and not to rush. Starting next season with a new club and project is probably the best for me."

United are fifth in the Premier League, six points off fourth-placed Manchester City, and went out of the Champions League at the group stages.

"If I have to return tomorrow, I return tomorrow" - interesting

Lucas Hood

Anyone think Chelsea threw something into the deal when sacking Mourinho that he didn't get all his money if he took over someone before a certain time?

StringerBell

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Anyone think Chelsea threw something into the deal when sacking Mourinho that he didn't get all his money if he took over someone before a certain time?

Maybe, but more importantly, Lucas when you back on TV?

Vic Vinegar

Valencia & Rojo back in training today, Rashford also training with first team.

De Gea & Smalling absent though apparently.

FutureGuy

It looks pretty clear that Mourinho will be in charge in the summer but if things go completely south, he will come in sooner.

bangkok

FutureGuy wrote: »

It looks pretty clear that Mourinho will be in charge in the summer but if things go completely south, he will come in sooner.

I don't think he will, it would have been done otherwise. He will want a fresh start during a transfer window where he can set out to make whatever changes are needed immediately. van Gaal will leave by "mutual consent" during the summer

bangkok

Vic Vinegar wrote: »

Valencia & Rojo back in training today, Rashford also training with first team.

De Gea & Smalling absent though apparently.

Januzaj also back training with first team.... things are on the up

[Deleted User]

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Anyone think Chelsea threw something into the deal when sacking Mourinho that he didn't get all his money if he took over someone before a certain time?

I think with a lot of these deals you only get paid until the end of the current year anyway. Silly to be on the line for 20 odd million if it doesn't work out.

jayo26

Fabio scored a nice goal for Cardiff

#shouldneverofsoldhim #worldclass

bucketybuck

FutureGuy wrote: »

It looks pretty clear that Mourinho will be in charge in the summer but if things go completely south, he will come in sooner.

In football terms we are already at the south pole tickling some penguins, how much more south do we need to be?

bangkok

bucketybuck wrote: »

In football terms we are already at the south pole tickling some penguins, how much more south do we need to be?

impossible to go any further south if you are at the south pole, your next step is North

Cantona's Collars

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Marcus Rashford called into the squad for Thursday night.Rojo and Valencia also training.

Lucas Hood

StringerBell wrote: »

Maybe, but more importantly, Lucas when you back on TV?

April 1st.

caviardreams

zerks wrote: »

Marcus Rashford called into the squad for Thursday night.Rojo and Valencia also training.

They can even manage to fit all of our injury-free players in one shot now

:( :P

Mitch Connor

No Smalling at training today. just IMAGINE if he is injured!

Hopefully it is just a precaution prior to the Arsenal game.

Trigger

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No Smalling at training today. just IMAGINE if he is injured!

Hopefully it is just a precaution prior to the Arsenal game.

I actually thought he was struggling with a knock for the last 10 mins of the Cup game.. I remember him hobbling anyways