Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

JustTheOne wrote: »

Been saying it for ages, Ramsey is the most overrated player at arsenal.

Passing terrible.
Shooting terrible.
Positional discipline terrible.

Yeah sure he runs around and puts the effort in but as someone said so did Robbie savage in his day.

6 good months is all he has done at arsenal.

Too many average players at arsenal.

I find it baffling that some fans can keep on accepting this mediocracy at the club. I know the manager is well capable at the highest level but he just wont bring in the quality of players he once had at his disposal. This Arsenal side are a shadow of the team we once where. Not too long ago we were one of the most feared teams in world football. Lehmann, Campbell, Vieira, Silva, Henry. Look at that for a spine in your team. You looked around the dressing room and 1-11 every player was a winner, a leader. Those days are long gone.

Bobby Baccala

Gringo180 wrote: »

Plenty of times we squared the ball in and around the penalty spot (mainly Ozil) and either it was Ox or Ramsey on the end of it who have little or no composure on front of goal, or else there was nobody there on the end of it. As you said we need a striker that has that nack of been in the right place at the right time but the manager just wont go out and get that sort of player??

We need a Muller or Harry Kane type player that the ball always seems to fall to and we've needed that type of player since RvP left.

Sacksian

Gringo180 wrote: »

That would be all well and good if he offered something in the final third. Id be inclined to play him in a more central role because I cant for the life of me see him making the grade as a winger.

Absolutely, I was surprised to see him start. I think he's been guilty of making really dreadful decisions on the ball recently in the final third, particularly the amount of times he's failed to release the ball in time, or at all.

But his selection worked perfectly last night, in terms of the team's tactics. I can't see him as a centre-mid in the near future, to be honest.

JustTheOne

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Would like to see Welbeck start against United, Giroud has contributed nothing bar a couple of knockdowns in the past couple of months. Maybe a spell on the bench will give him a bit of motivation to stick one in the back of the net!!

Ramsey is another player that needs dropping.

Been saying it for ages, Ramsey is the most overrated player at arsenal.

Passing terrible.
Shooting terrible.
Positional discipline terrible.

Yeah sure he runs around and puts the effort in but as someone said so did Robbie savage in his day.

6 good months is all he has done at arsenal.

Too many average players at arsenal.

Basil3 wrote: »

We need a fox in the box for these knock downs. Danny came in and did a good one as well, but we never seen to have anyone around.

Only problem with dropping Ramsey is I don't know who would come in for him. Definitely not Elneny, maybe Campbell?

Plenty of times we squared the ball in and around the penalty spot (mainly Ozil) and either it was Ox or Ramsey on the end of it who have little or no composure on front of goal, or else there was nobody there on the end of it. As you said we need a striker that has that nack of been in the right place at the right time but the manager just wont go out and get that sort of player??

Sacksian wrote: »

I'm not Ox's biggest fan but he was very good without the ball, coming inside to cover the centre and covering Bellerin (also very good).

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That would be all well and good if he offered something in the final third. Id be inclined to play him in a more central role because I cant for the life of me see him making the grade as a winger.

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Would like to see Welbeck start against United, Giroud has contributed nothing bar a couple of knockdowns in the past couple of months. Maybe a spell on the bench will give him a bit of motivation to stick one in the back of the net!!

Ramsey is another player that needs dropping.

We need a fox in the box for these knock downs. Danny came in and did a good one as well, but we never seen to have anyone around.

Only problem with dropping Ramsey is I don't know who would come in for him. Definitely not Elneny, maybe Campbell?

Colonialboy wrote: »

so what..
Arsenal arent running a charity or a retirement home.

Who said they were?

Coq did nothing.. every pass was either backwards or lateral.
Big teams love that.. they never have to turnaround and face their goal, cos the opposing dimwit in the middle for the other team keeps passing it backwards.
No wonder Barca could play their pressing game, Coq never got them turned around.

Coq isn't a playmaker. It wasn't his job to make play when he played along Santi, and it isn't now. If there's a forward pass on, he will take it, but why risk a pass that can be picked off and allow them to counter?

Campbell, had done brilliant when Sanchez and Coq were out.
Wenger has his favourites and no matter what, they are always straight back in the team even if it disrupts other players who are in form.
Wenger is constantly upset the team thats on a roll cos he tries to fit in someone whos back from injury.

Campbell did play well for a few games, but his form fell off a cliff. We need at least one player with pace in the front 3. That means Walcott/Welbeck/Ox needs to be there.

Im raging over this result cos Ive been watching the same results in the CL for 14 years and Wengers learned nothing.

What is he meant to learn? How to beat the best team in the world? I think tactically he called it right. He played the right players. The only thing I disagree with is putting Flamini on. At the end of the day, it was player errors that cost Arsenal, not Wenger's tactics.

Las Palmas 3rd from bottom in La Liga lost 2-1 to Barca last weekend, Las Palmas had 52% possession
If you watched Spanish football regularly you would know that alot of teams gave Barca a better match than we did last night.

Do you want me to list off matches where Barcelona hammer other teams? It's not like they embarrassed us, we had our chances.

Wengers out of his depth against the big managers,
Wengers out of his depth at the big boys table
Wengers is out of his depth when it comes to playing top tier style, clinical, thinking European football.

Top tier style, clinical, thinking European football: "I say Abracadabra, MSN work their magic."

Bobby Baccala

Would like to see Welbeck start against United, Giroud has contributed nothing bar a couple of knockdowns in the past couple of months. Maybe a spell on the bench will give him a bit of motivation to stick one in the back of the net!!

Ramsey is another player that needs dropping.

Sacksian

I thought Arsenal were very good until Barca scored - incredibly well organised and dangerous on the break. The second goal was a brain fart.

The shape and discipline were great and if Ox had either (a) taken the best chance in the whole game and/or (b) got his head up to find Ozil when himself and Giroud were breaking...who knows? These are the minor details that shape a tight game: the overall performance was still good.

My main takeouts were:

I'm not Ox's biggest fan but he was very good without the ball, coming inside to cover the centre and covering Bellerin (also very good).

Welbeck won headers and held the ball up really well when he came on, as well as being able to beat a man. Would love to see him given a run up front - Giroud needs a break.

Sanchez is still struggling to find form.

The defence wasn't the problem last night. It was the final ball and finish.

If Arsenal could take the level of performance for the first 70 minutes into the Man U and Spurs games, they'll get results. However, there could be a bit of hangover given how much they gave until the first goal.

Gringo180 wrote: »

Agree. And only for the league is a poor one this year it would be another 3rd or 4th place for us. That Barcelona team last night were there for the taking, a top side no doubt but they are so over rated. That Barcelona side we beat 2-1 a few years back were a level above the side they have now.

Yet this Barcelona side are performing better in La Liga than that side.

The lower teams in the premier league are much stronger this year. If we win the league this year it will be because we have been the best team in england. It may not have the best teams but the money does mean it is the most competitive.

We are having a good season. If we win the league I will be jumping around the place with happiness. Whats the point in watching football if you cant enjoy moments like that.

If we win the league after all the **** we have been through and the attitude is "ah sure it only cos the others were sh!t this year" are you really gonna enjoy it.

And if not then what the **** is the point in watching at all

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

You'd swear we were League 1 Millwall the way some people go on about us. Seems nobody expects anything from us other than last 16 4th and maybe a domestic cup. No reason we can't be beating the Barcelona's of the world winning the premier league and finally getting that CL.

Agree. And only for the league is a poor one this year it would be another 3rd or 4th place for us. That Barcelona team last night were there for the taking, a top side no doubt but they are so over rated. That Barcelona side we beat 2-1 a few years back were a level above the side they have now.

Oranage2

Thought their were some positives. We played very well first half, stuck to the game plan of putting men behind the ball, we passed well, we created some good chances and we stopped the best front 3 of all time from playing. Then near the end of the first half and into the second half we went to Sh!t.

Colonialboy wrote: »

so what..
Arsenal arent running a charity or a retirement home.

Coq did nothing.. every pass was either backwards or lateral.
Big teams love that.. they never have to turnaround and face their goal, cos the opposing dimwit in the middle for the other team keeps passing it backwards.
No wonder Barca could play their pressing game, Coq never got them turned around.

Campbell, had done brilliant when Sanchez and Coq were out.
Wenger has his favourites and no matter what, they are always straight back in the team even if it disrupts other players who are in form.
Wenger is constantly upset the team thats on a roll cos he tries to fit in someone whos back from injury.

Im raging over this result cos Ive been watching the same results in the CL for 14 years and Wengers learned nothing.

Las Palmas 3rd from bottom in La Liga lost 2-1 to Barca last weekend, Las Palmas had 52% possession
If you watched Spanish football regularly you would know that alot of teams gave Barca a better match than we did last night.

Wengers out of his depth against the big managers,
Wengers out of his depth at the big boys table
Wengers is out of his depth when it comes to playing top tier style, clinical, thinking European football.

What has coq got to do with Campbell. They dont play the same position.

Coq was hardly a favourite when he was shunted out on loan and needed an injury crisis to get a shot. Chamberlain has only come in to the starting line up in the last few games

Colonialboy

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Stating that coqs was chasing shadows is ridiculous quite frankly! There are players with twice the ability chasing shadows against this barca side...he gave 110% and just back from a long injury layoff.

so what..
Arsenal arent running a charity or a retirement home.

Coq did nothing.. every pass was either backwards or lateral.
Big teams love that.. they never have to turnaround and face their goal, cos the opposing dimwit in the middle for the other team keeps passing it backwards.
No wonder Barca could play their pressing game, Coq never got them turned around.

Campbell, had done brilliant when Sanchez and Coq were out.
Wenger has his favourites and no matter what, they are always straight back in the team even if it disrupts other players who are in form.
Wenger is constantly upset the team thats on a roll cos he tries to fit in someone whos back from injury.

Im raging over this result cos Ive been watching the same results in the CL for 14 years and Wengers learned nothing.

Las Palmas 3rd from bottom in La Liga lost 2-1 to Barca last weekend, Las Palmas had 52% possession
If you watched Spanish football regularly you would know that alot of teams gave Barca a better match than we did last night.

Wengers out of his depth against the big managers,
Wengers out of his depth at the big boys table
Wengers is out of his depth when it comes to playing top tier style, clinical, thinking European football.

Sure its okay to think Arsenal should have a chance against Barcelona. But I'm not gonna get annoyed about last night when I compare the line ups. Be annoyed at the recruitment or whatever, but our chances last night were always minuscule with the relevant players on show. That and ya know, Barca have the greatest player to ever play the game, can't really account for that.

ronjo

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

You'd swear we were League 1 Millwall the way some people go on about us. Seems nobody expects anything from us other than last 16 4th and maybe a domestic cup. No reason we can't be beating the Barcelona's of the world winning the premier league and finally getting that CL.

You know well that everyone here is full on for winning the league this season.

Ken Shamrock

You'd swear we were League 1 Millwall the way some people go on about us. Seems nobody expects anything from us other than last 16 4th and maybe a domestic cup. No reason we can't be beating the Barcelona's of the world winning the premier league and finally getting that CL.

Wonda-Boy

Stating that coqs was chasing shadows is ridiculous quite frankly! There are players with twice the ability chasing shadows against this barca side...he gave 110% and just back from a long injury layoff.

Ol' Donie

Right. That's done now. It was a long shot at best anyway.

This weekend is different. We have more than enough to beat this shower, I can't wait for it.

Want league. Everything else is secondary*.

*want 3 FA cups in a row too. But not quite as much as I want to beat Spurs. Sorry, i meant want to win the league.

Awesomeness wrote: »

I still do.

Luckily enough its an appalling standard this year and we are still in with a shout. This time last season the league leaders where sitting on 60 points. Incidently this time 2 seasons ago we were sitting on 59 points after 26 games played.

12gauge dave wrote: »

And we expect to win silverwear :L

I still do.

12gauge dave

Gringo180 wrote: »

8 games Giroud is without a goal now. His pass completion was just 52% last night. Just not good enough at this level.

And we expect to win silverware :L

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Too much effort, not enough result. Cazorla would have been useful as a more consistent "out" ball when trying to break. That said, he can be guilty of holding the ball too long as well. I'm sick of Ramsey tbh, himself and Giroud simply won't focus on doing the simple things right.

8 games Giroud is without a goal now. His pass completion was just 52% last night. Just not good enough at this level.

Basil3 wrote: »

I still don't understand the Ramsey hate. That guy works harder then anyone else, and gets in positions to score goals. Santi lacks mobility, and I don't know what he would have offered in a match where we concede possession.

Too much effort, not enough result. Cazorla would have been useful as a more consistent "out" ball when trying to break. That said, he can be guilty of holding the ball too long as well. I'm sick of Ramsey tbh, himself and Giroud simply won't focus on doing the simple things right.

Basil3 wrote: »

Everyone knows that we could do with a world class striker. It's not a special gift you have, being able to identify this when nobody else can. We need someone better than Giroud, though. Just buying any old striker is pointless.

I still don't understand the Ramsey hate. That guy works harder then anyone else, and gets in positions to score goals. Santi lacks mobility, and I don't know what he would have offered in a match where we concede possession.

Who are the players that are carrying the average players? It would be interesting to see who you think are our performers right now, and who are the passengers.

Sanchez is out of form, probably the biggest disappointment in the squad right now. You can happily mention Ramsey giving the ball away, when Sanchez is by far the biggest culprit, and seems to get himself less goal scoring chances than Ramsey does of late. I really hope Sanchez hits form soon.

I agree that Sanchez gave the ball away a lot but I will give him the benefit of the doubt as he usually comes up with something special and is the type of player that can turn a game on its head. Can you say that for any other player in our squad? Ramsey as a central midfielder, his number one job should be to retain possession and play the simple pass. Instead anytime he got hold of the ball last night he trys to play the killer ball and in turn kept given it away.

The average players I am talking about is, Walcott, Oxlade Chamberlain, Flamini, Mertesacker. All not good enough to play for us, let alone start one of the biggest games of the season for us. Giroud is decent but last night he threw in one of those games when he tried to be too smart with all these flicks instead of doing the basics right and hold up the play and bring our wingers into it. Coquelin another who the jury is still out on. A good honest professional but should be no better than a back up. If we want to become a dominant force in Europe again than we have to bring in players of a higher quality to the ones mentioned above.

I think our biggest problem in the side are the wings. We are all pace out there but very little end product or creativity.

12gauge dave

Arsene said it we are lacking in the final third.
Sanchez is not banging them in like last season and giroud is no van persie goal wise.
Where are the goals going to come from to win this title?

I am actually upbeat after the game. We were beaten but there was a lot of encouraging sides. It was always gonna be a big ask and it was gutting to lose that way but it was small margins. Ox or girouds chances go in and its a different game. We were looking very dangerous before we got caught on the counter.

I thought Bellerin had a great game, Welbeck looked good, Ozil had some nice touches though we didn't have enough of the ball for him to exploit and Ramsey had a good game especially in the first half. Also a mention for Cech who pulled up some great stops

Players need to dust themselves down and go again on Sunday. Next few games in the league are huge