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Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

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[Deleted User]

I started this thread as an antidote to the whiney moans of the 'sense of entailment thread'. I actually find it depressing that there are so many people trawling the internet to work themselves in to a frenzy about welfare.

As for not knowing anyone scamming the system, all my family work or farm, my children work, I work, my husband works, my cousin's work or farm all my friends work or have their own business, every one I work with is working

all their family's work. I do know someone on long term disability but they are most certainly not pretending to be sick.

Whispered

Someone mentioned that people moan about the government "not doing enough" for families. I choose to stay at home with our 1 year old, I do not get welfare, do not have a medical card etc. So no they don't do anything for our family anyway. I'm not saying that they should, like I mentioned it's a decision we made, and not a permanent one. I'd hate to think that people assume that all stay at home parents are fleecing the system.

EDIT: I know a few people on the dole, I come from a rural area and I think unemployment effects those areas more. I also know a couple of long term unemployed people who are trying very hard to get out of the rut they are in. One in particular went on to have a very successful career after dealing with the depression that kept her unemployed for so long.

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Permabear wrote: »

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Your views are usually balanced.

There is a difference between having an opinion verses believing half back anecdotes and pandering to the worst in human nature. A balanced view is not what you get.

Lyaiera

I'm on disability allowance. It sucks. Most of my money goes towards rent as I can't get rent allowance because I'm over the limit, and there's more of a chance of me winning the lottery than there is of getting a council house.

I've come off disability allowance a couple of times, to work full time and part time. I've a good education, made possible through the disability supports in the university. I worked for a year once, and another time full time (in a fairly high pressure job) before my illness caught up with me.

The worst part is when you're doing well, and can fathom doing something. Whether it's education, or getting a job and you're looking through listings on the websites, and suddenly you go through a patch that brings you back to nothing, and you can't imagine ever being stable enough to work.

I've tried to find short-term contract work. I write, quite well and that was mostly what a previous job was. My thinking would be I could work short-term contracts when I'm well enough, and that'd mean I actually have some spare money. Similarly, I've checked with a few business owners who I'm friendly with if there was a chance of working on an ad-hoc basis. Where if they have work and I'm well enough I can do a few hours. That doesn't work for businesses though. They need regularity.

To be honest, I'd even work for free if the work wasn't just stacking boxes, and it meant I could accommodate my illness. It's soul destroying to have nothing productive to do with your day. The problem is the flexibility needed in accommodating me. My uncle had the social welfare people sort him out with something like that. He's a carpenter who destroyed his back working on roofs (which is far too common.) He's had implants on his spine to help control his constant pain. He's been prescribed killer level opiates, but doesn't take them because he's only fit to lie in bed staring at the ceiling. He's got a few hours organised with the DSW to use his carpentry with a business that can be flexible.

I have my occupational therapist trying to find an employer, through their own contacts, who could take me on on that basis.

I know a few people on disability allowance. All of whom have worked with accommodating employers for a few months at a time. The reality is that people with disabilities often have needs that don't align with what employers need. Which is a pain, because there's only so much you can take of sitting at home.

jobless

Sam Kade wrote: »

Listen to any radio station and you'll hear plenty of them;) The ones protesting about water charges you surely heard them unless you have your head buried in the sand.

the usual cheap shot at water protestors..... were the 80,000 thousand out at the weekend all on the dole? ... look at the bigger picture

iguana

I'm a stay at home mother and as such have made quite a few friends who are stay at home mothers. I assumed that we all lived on either one salary or, as some of my friends do, supplemented the family income with money earned through childminding. But I discovered last year that some of the mothers receive a weekly payment from the state, I'm not sure how. I know some who were made redundant on maternity leave and as such were entitled to nine months unemployment benefit as they had paid stamps towards that and everyone I know who received that genuinely did look for new work and most found it. But there are a few who women have a payment even though they haven't worked in years, intend to continue as a stay at home mother and are married to their child/ren's father. I had one woman complain to me that she wouldn't be at playgroup for the next few months as she had to do a 13 week course in order to keep her benefit. I really don't know how that works?

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iguana wrote: »

I'm a stay at home mother and as such have made quite a few friends who are stay at home mothers. I assumed that we all lived on either one salary or, as some of my friends do, supplemented the family income with money earned through childminding. But I discovered last year that some of the mothers receive a weekly payment from the state, I'm not sure how. I know some who were made redundant on maternity leave and as such were entitled to nine months unemployment benefit as they had paid stamps towards that and everyone I know who received that genuinely did look for new work and most found it. But there are a few who women have a payment even though they haven't worked in years, intend to continue as a stay at home mother and are married to their child/ren's father. I had one woman complain to me that she wouldn't be at playgroup for the next few months as she had to do a 13 week course in order to keep her benefit. I really don't know how that works?

Its most likely family income supplement or a mean's tested benefit.

iguana

mariaalice wrote: »

Its most likely family income supplement or a mean's tested benefit.

Would family income supplement be dependent on the stay at home parent doing a training course? And would FIS specifically be given to the stay at home parent? I thought it was given to the earner?

anothernight

iguana wrote: »

I'm a stay at home mother and as such have made quite a few friends who are stay at home mothers. I assumed that we all lived on either one salary or, as some of my friends do, supplemented the family income with money earned through childminding. But I discovered last year that some of the mothers receive a weekly payment from the state, I'm not sure how. I know some who were made redundant on maternity leave and as such were entitled to nine months unemployment benefit as they had paid stamps towards that and everyone I know who received that genuinely did look for new work and most found it. But there are a few who women have a payment even though they haven't worked in years, intend to continue as a stay at home mother and are married to their child/ren's father. I had one woman complain to me that she wouldn't be at playgroup for the next few months as she had to do a 13 week course in order to keep her benefit. I really don't know how that works?

Some of the girls I went to school with did exactly that. Instead of trying to get work or further their education once out of school, they had a baby and are living off benefits. I really don't know how that works tbh. It used to really piss me off seeing how these "full time mammys" with their "full time mad bastard" OHs seemingly spent all day at home posting pictures of their babies on Facebook. So I unfriended them because life is too short.

The thing is, as long as the system is broken, someone will be there to play it.

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iguana wrote: »

Would family income supplement be dependent on the stay at home parent doing a training course? And would FIS specifically be given to the stay at home parent? I thought it was given to the earner?

FIS is payable on a Thursday. Each payment is made in advance And your weekly family income is less than:

One child €511
Two children €612
Three children €713
Four children €834
Five children €960
Six children €1,076
Seven children €1,212
Eight children €1,308

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mariaalice wrote: »

Reading the thread about ' entitlement '. I do not personalty know anyone who is unemployed long or short time no do I know any lone parents living on welfare, or anyone pretending to be sick to get welfare, nor have I ever in real life met someone who has said " I am entitled too xy and z from the government.

My sister is one. She is a single mother of two children who can't afford the rising rent in her area. She lost her job around 6 months ago and hasn't found anything since. She teaches piano on the side and almost certainly does not pay tax on it. She had the option to take up a part time teaching role in a school but it didn't make sense. The cost of childcare alone would eat up all the money she'd be making from the job and she'd also lose out on some benefits. She doesn't want to move to an area for cheaper rent, I don't have the heart to tell her that beggars can't be choosers, like so many people flippantly say on here. The family has been helping her pay her rent for the sake of the kids. They've moved so many times already. It's tough. But I do wonder what she does with all her time. I guess she's a full time mother.

beach_walker

I know a lad who's been on the dole for nearly ten years at this stage. We both completed our undergrads around the same time and he's been signed on since. He's not stupid, just incredibly lazy! I used to really feel jealous of him while I was doing my postgrad (smoking it up, rent handily paid etc.) but now I just feel sorry for the guy. I mean he's happy out but I couldn't exist like that.

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beach_walker wrote: »

I know a lad who's been on the dole for nearly ten years at this stage. We both completed our undergrads around the same time and he's been signed on since. He's not stupid, just incredibly lazy! I used to really feel jealous of him while I was doing my postgrad (smoking it up, rent handily paid etc.) but now I just feel sorry for the guy. I mean he's happy out but I couldn't exist like that.

This is something that's often forgotten about, you will move on in life and have the fancy bike, surfboard, car or what ever, you will have interesting experiences go to gig's eat out all the middle class bells and whistles you get for studying and a good career while you friend will never move on in life if they do not get a job, envying someone on welfare is silly.

Easca Peasca

I know a woman who's in her mid 50's and has been on the dole for life. Drawing big time on healthcare and rent allowance, yet she's the first person whole criticize the "gubberment".

Between the top layers of society destroying the place with million-euro handshakes and so many sponging from the dole, it really is a great old Ireland to stay going at all.