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But they are not women only

prishtinaboy99

its one thing to stop drinking its a second thing to live a full and happy life which is hard without alcohol. AA taught me how to embrace and enjoy life without Alcohol, as a pessimist about the whole AA thing before going it saved my life and changed it in a way I can only wish I did many years before I took the plunge, but hey better late than never.

Hi, basically it just means exactly what you said in the last part of your post, " can't allow other groups traditions etc. effect or influence the running of AA". As well as not having any attachment or motives to another organization using the AA name. We cant exclude anyone from AA, they are members if they say they are. We cannot judge anyone nor can we make an AA out of a non-alcoholic. Remember, the 1st 3 chapters of the big book including the docs opinion are basically written for you decide if you are one of us, if you decide that you are not after reading that part of the book, then AA as a fellowship is more than likely not the place for you.It's a decision for you ultimately.
They had to write this tradition, as in the early days there were too many groups with so many different rules and some groups would not allow anyone in if they had issues other than alcohol, they had alcohol issues alright but were denied the chance of recovery, so Bill wrote the 3rd tradition to stop this kind of thing.

Sigma Force

Amazingfun wrote: »

The long form is much better, really

"Our membership ought to include all who suffer from alcoholism. Hence we may refuse none who wish to recover. Nor ought AA membership ever depend on money or conformity. Any two or three alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an AA group, provided that, as a group, they have no other affiliation."
-Third Tradition, Long Form, 1946

What does that mean 'provided they have no other affiliation'? Does that mean a member of AA cannot be involved with any other support group or one on one counselling etc.? Or does it just mean they can't allow other groups traditions etc. effect or influence the running of AA?

Amazingfun

SouthDublin6w wrote: »

Nobody is excluded from a meeting but the pre amble states it is a womans, GAY, mens group.

Inclusivity as you stated tradition 3 only require is a desire to stop drinking.

The long form is much better, really

"Our membership ought to include all who suffer from alcoholism. Hence we may refuse none who wish to recover. Nor ought AA membership ever depend on money or conformity. Any two or three alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an AA group, provided that, as a group, they have no other affiliation."
-Third Tradition, Long Form, 1946

SouthDublin6w

aabarnes1 wrote: »

Quite correct, apologies. However you would have to question why you feel the need for a speciality meeting...

There is many reasons and on the context of identification, Women in the fellowship sometimes feel personal female issues are best kept to females, Same with folk who identify as GAY.

SouthDublin6w

aabarnes1 wrote: »

Apologies, I stand corrected However no-one can be excluded from any AA group.

Nobody is excluded from a meeting but the pre amble states it is a womans, GAY, mens group.

Inclusivity as you stated tradition 3 only require is a desire to stop drinking.

Amazingfun wrote: »

Not true, there is a women's meeting Monday nights in Ranelagh, I will post when I get the details, pretty sure there is a few more around the city as well.They do exist, same with gay meetings, i.e:

(Dublin City)Capel Street L.G.B.T.

http://www.alcoholicsanonymous.ie/information-on-aa/Find-a-Meeting

And here is the women's meeting link:

Ranelagh Mountainview Road Stars Don't Fall Group : Monday's @ 7pm

http://www.alcoholicsanonymous.ie/information-on-aa/Find-a-Meeting

Quite correct, apologies. However you would have to question why you feel the need for a speciality meeting...

aabarnes1 wrote: »

There are none as this would breach several of AA traditions and principles, mainly Tradition 3. And besides the solution is the same regardless of age, sex, religion or gender bias.

Apologies, I stand corrected However no-one can be excluded from any AA group.

Amazingfun

aabarnes1 wrote: »

There are none

Not true, there is a women's meeting Monday nights in Ranelagh, I will post when I get the details, pretty sure there is a few more around the city as well.They do exist, same with gay meetings, i.e:

(Dublin City)Capel Street L.G.B.T.

http://www.alcoholicsanonymous.ie/information-on-aa/Find-a-Meeting

And here is the women's meeting link:

Ranelagh Mountainview Road Stars Don't Fall Group : Monday's @ 7pm

http://www.alcoholicsanonymous.ie/information-on-aa/Find-a-Meeting

greenexile wrote: »

Hi, I'm trying to find womens only AA meetings. Does anyone have info on these?

Thanks

There are none as this would breach several of AA traditions and principles, mainly Tradition 3. And besides the solution is the same regardless of age, sex, religion or gender bias.

Sigma Force

whoopa14 wrote: »

Hi all,

Just bumping this thread as I too am having personal difficulties.
I'm 34 and most of my friends are settling down / having kids, etc., and I'm still getting wrecked every Friday and Saturday only to spend the rest of the week trying to understand the world. The cycle is never-ending. Plus, I'm spending ridiculous amounts of money and ruining my health in the process. My behavior has become more reckless recently too, so I can't disguise it any longer - I defo have a problem.

I've been to counseling and even went to an AA/NA meeting back in 2014 after a particularly huge bender. The counseling was beneficial in some ways for obvious reasons, but after 3 sessions I never went back.
I was considering approaching a family member who has had friends with similar issues in the past, but I feel extremely ashamed. This is for a number of reasons but mainly because I can't deal with it on my own. Also, I would hate for my folks to know because they're getting quite old and I wouldn't want them to worry.

I've been thinking about heading to a Lifering meeting for some time now, I just need to work up the balls to actually go and then if I do to continue attending and get serious about it.

If anyone had any info or could point me in the right direction, I'd be extremely grateful.

I know this might seem extreme to you but it sounds like you are really struggling. Have you considered a rehab centre like cuan mhuire? It's a huge step but you would have the company if others and lots of support and a break away from the stresses of life to focus on yourself. The first step as they say is recognising alcohol has gotten the better of you but don't feel ashamed because that will only make you feel worse. Even the fact you're contemplating making a change is a brave step. If going away is not an option if you are near bray or near the dart line/bus line BCAT in bray is fantastic. Also chat to your GP a decent GP will give you support, monitor your health and let you know of there are any other support groups that could help you. Don't be worrying just head to a meeting, you might try a few different ones till you find one you click with but you'll find you will be welcome and don't forget all the people there have been in the same boat, some worse a d some it could be their first time there too. Once you make it a routine and part of your life you will become stronger and more clear as to what you want. As said do visit a good GP quitting cold turkey isn't healthy so you need to be under the care of a GP plus you'll probably be asked to pop back so having regular appointments with your GP can give you some structure too. Hope that helps. You can do it, talk to a friend you will be amazed everyone has a story of a family member who struggled, people are more understanding than you'd think once you open up

whoopa14

Hi all,

Just bumping this thread as I too am having personal difficulties.
I'm 34 and most of my friends are settling down / having kids, etc., and I'm still getting wrecked every Friday and Saturday only to spend the rest of the week trying to understand the world. The cycle is never-ending. Plus, I'm spending ridiculous amounts of money and ruining my health in the process. My behavior has become more reckless recently too, so I can't disguise it any longer - I defo have a problem.

I've been to counseling and even went to an AA/NA meeting back in 2014 after a particularly huge bender. The counseling was beneficial in some ways for obvious reasons, but after 3 sessions I never went back.
I was considering approaching a family member who has had friends with similar issues in the past, but I feel extremely ashamed. This is for a number of reasons but mainly because I can't deal with it on my own. Also, I would hate for my folks to know because they're getting quite old and I wouldn't want them to worry.

I've been thinking about heading to a Lifering meeting for some time now, I just need to work up the balls to actually go and then if I do to continue attending and get serious about it.

If anyone had any info or could point me in the right direction, I'd be extremely grateful.

greenexile wrote: »

Hi, I'm trying to find womens only AA meetings. Does anyone have info on these?

Thanks

I'm not sure if there are any women's only AA but I know Lifering in St.John of Gods have one on a Wednesday night. I've been to one and it was a lovely group.

greenexile

Hi, I'm trying to find womens only AA meetings. Does anyone have info on these?

Thanks

I'm not 100% sure how to add you both but leave it with me and I'll get back to you asap x

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Hi there, I'm not sure how closed FB groups work, can you PM me how I could get in touch with this group please? Thanks!

Actually I'd be interested in joining too please!

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Lady Mac wrote: »

a member of a closed private Facebook group of mostly women who talk about everything connected with drinking and giving it up. They are mostly made up of American, Canadian and some British women. Very few Irish but I have a feeling that's going to change soon.

Hi there, I'm not sure how closed FB groups work, can you PM me how I could get in touch with this group please? Thanks!

Sorry for going off on a tangent there!

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Not at all I totally understand. Both are most definitely mutually exclusive. Well done to you too. At the start I used to think 'why did I not sort this before I had him when it would have been so much easier' but the truth is it was actually easier to lie to myself that it wasn't a real problem until he arrived. He made me face my reality.

All My Stars Aligned

Just by way of an alternative to AA you might give Life Ring a look. Its a secular based group that tries to focus on the week just passed and the coming week. I find it a fantastic support.

dublinlifering.com

Well done, there's a lot more stigma about being a female alcoholic and ESPECIALLY about being one with a child. My son was also born in 2014, I've still a way to go on the road to recovery but I'm on the right track and doing all the right things!

You're dead right that you NEED to do it for you and not for your son - your problem is not a reflection of how much you love or care for him. I couldn't even begin to recover until I finally accepted and believed that, and I still get quite annoyed when people say to me that I need to get better for his sake ... it was said to me only yesterday and I had to set the person straight. People say it and mean it well but have no idea how damaging and counter-productive it can be. If I could magic away all of my addiction and psychiatric problems JUST by thinking about how much I love my son, I'd never have developed those problems in the first place. For a vulnerable mother with these issues, it can really make you question yourself. Yes, I have issues with alcohol and my mental health BUT I also love and adore my son and am a good mother ... the two concepts are not mutually exclusive, so long as you tackle the problems with all tools and resources available to you and don't just ignore the problem.

Sorry for going off on a tangent there!

Your story sounds very similar to mine. I was drinking too much wine in the evenings from Wed to Fri then usually a bingey night out on Saturday. I would never be able to predict what way the night would go. Sometimes I'd be fine and come home at a decent time without having gone to crazy other nights I would black out and be out for hours often with no recollection of any of it and be in a terrible state of anxiety and depression for days afterwards.

I drank out of boredom and to stem anxiety that I wasn't even really aware was there. I seemed to be putting a lot of effort into managing my drinking over the last 10 years. Trying not to drink the full bottle or trying not to drink on a Monday or Tuesday. There were criteria I had that would make it a problem and I felt that if I stuck to a plan then I could convince myself that it wasn't a problem. I can see now looking back that when you have to put that much thought into your drinking it's not a good sign. Anyway it all came crashing down around me when I had my first baby in 2014. Suddenly I didn't have the energy to 'manage' my drinking and I started to drink more often. All of my nights out became messy affairs and after the final night I just surrendered. At first it was because I didn't want my sons childhood to be influenced by alcohol in any way but now I'm doing this for myself.

I haven't drank in 9 months. I have yet to attend an AA meeting for a variety of reasons. I'm not ruling them out completely but for the stage that I was at I didn't feel that they were a good fit for me. Instead I have been attending a therapist, listening to podcasts, reading drinking memoirs, reading blogs and am a member of a closed private Facebook group of mostly women who talk about everything connected with drinking and giving it up. They are mostly made up of American, Canadian and some British women. Very few Irish but I have a feeling that's going to change soon. You can use an anonymous name there which helps. I think Ireland is very badly lacking in alternative options for people experiencing problems with their drinking, particularly those in the early to middle stages. Our culture doesn't support us giving up until we are physically addicted or having major consequences like drink driving or losing a job.

Here are a list of some of the things I mentioned above that I have found helpful and they might help you too:

Podcasts:
The Bubble Hour
Home

Blogs:
Unpickled
Mr's D is going without
Hip Sobriety
I fly at night

Books:
Drink, a love story
Drink by Ann Dowsett Johnson
Blackout by Sarah Hepola
*there are many more of these but once you get started you'll find them easily anyway.

If you google any of them you should find the links. Congrats on coming to this conclusion. It's a bumpy road but I can honestly say I am so much healthier and happier and enthusiastic about my life than I have ever been before. Good luckx

Sunnyisland

OP AA can be one of many tools used in your fight against your addictions, it's a great source of support and for most it's great being around like minded people who have the same goals as you, as been said sometimes the talking before and after the meeting can be very supportive and helpful.

By the way, you mentioned going to your GP. If I were you, and if you're in the catchment area, I'd bypass them and get in touch with Stanhope Centre. You can self-refer, no need for GP. You may be waiting a couple of weeks for an appointment, but it's worth it - they provide support, counselling and education for both problem drinkers and concerned family members and friends. For everyone from - someone like you - who isn't quite sure if they've a drinking problem, to hardcore alcoholics. They are absolutely amazing and I couldn't recommend them highly enough.

They're HSE funded by the way, so no fees involved (unless you were to end up doing the six-week residential programme, which costs €100 per week - still pretty damn reasonable!)

Amazingfun

I am a recovered alcoholic, sober 14 years now. I am an active and very grateful member of AA

My group isn't too focused on the sharing of random "feelings" or the like, we are what's known as a solution-focused group, meaning we share our experience with the program of recovery in the Big Book (AA's basic text). We focus on actions-and it's working very well for us, keeps our heads in the day, for living life One Day at a Time is truly a beautiful and effective way to live. In short: Once the problem of alcoholism has been understood and accepted, the AA program is then all about action, and when we start living right, it follows that we will begin to feel right as well.

This is a good site, free, where you can hear some AA's share their experience:
https://www.youtube.com/user/OdomtologyBooks

And there are hundreds of meetings all over the country daily:
http://www.alcoholicsanonymous.ie/Information-on-AA/Find-a-Meeting

I do agree that meetings can vary widely, and if you attend some you don't feel suit you, just keep seeking and you are sure to find one that fits. Happy people that can laugh at themselves is often a good indicator you've landed somewhere good

Welcome and best of luck!

malibustacy wrote: »

I suppose it's the fear of them making me talk about myself or having to stand up and say I'm an alcoholic which scares me.

And just to clarify, you don't "have" to do anything.

You do not have to talk; it's perfectly acceptable to just listen, especially for newcomers. (Although of course you're more than welcome to speak.) But you will be put under NO pressure to do so.

You do not stand up (or at least not at any meetings I've been to.) Most people start by saying "My name is **** and I'm an alcoholic", however this is not essential. Sometimes I start by saying "My name is **** and I have a problem with alcohol dependency." Sometimes I start by saying "My name is **** and I'm a problem drinker." Sometimes I simply start by saying "My name is ****" and go from there. No one has ever given out to me for any of this! It's all acceptable.

You don't need to label yourself as an alcoholic to get help from and recover from your problems.