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kneemos

Apparently there's half a million too many on the register . Anybody admit to voting more than once?Or is it a bit of a myth?
No idea what the penalty is or if anybody has ever been caught.

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KingBrian2

Fat Christy wrote: »

I made a mistake the first time!

No redoes.

CrabRevolution

I totally disagree with giving emigrants the vote. They're not here, they're not the ones being governed or having to live with the results of the election.

The purpose of the election is to elect a government to govern you. If you're not here, you aren't being governed, so shouldn't have a say in who gets to govern the rest of us in Ireland.

If anything, the huge number of them abroad is a reason not to bring in foreign voting. A system where 1 in 6 voters can elect anyone they want knowing they never have to deal with the consequences is ridiculous. One in six is also probably being conservative, since the right would probably involve citizenship, so many thousands more abroad with Irish citizenship could potentially vote, hugely skewing an election.

At most I'd allow something like the french system, where foreign voters elect a few TDs representing vast overseas constituencies.

The_Valeyard

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Good thread - got me skeptical and wondering about ways that the voting system can be cheated. Noticed this while reading up on related things - cross-posted from another thread:
Something important to note about the coming elections: Irish citizens abroad - i.e. our huge number of emigrants - do not have a vote.

We have been waiting for a promised Electoral Commission (which we're supposed to wait on, for allowing overseas votes) from two separate governments now - and fixing this was a promise Fine Gael made, but what is taking so long?

Almost a decade we have been waiting for this, and it seems like it has been conveniently delayed again and again, and this time until after the general election, almost as if the purpose were so that Fine Gael would not have to deal with the protest votes from emigrants - who obviously would have most reason to vote against Fine Gael (for example...).

To me, this seems almost perfectly deferred/orchestrated, in order to disenfranchise emigrants, and to erode the voting power of groups who would oppose government.

Remember, when it comes to Irish emigrants:
Ireland has the highest percentage of people living abroad out of all OECD countries. One out of every six Irish-born people currently resides in another country, illustrating the devastating and enduring impact the global financial crisis has had on the country.
https://d28wbuch0jlv7v.cloudfront.net/images/infografik/normal/chartoftheday_4237_the_countries_with_the_most_people_living_overseas_n.jpg
https://www.statista.com/chart/4237/the-countries-with-the-most-people-living-overseas/

Against this proposal.

If they have left the country and are working and paying taxes abroad, they should not have the right to vote in a general election. Their interests are represented in the countries they have settled in.

KingBrian2

uch wrote: »

Bull****

Come off it electronic voting can't beat the traditional ballot.

uch

The only thing they don't know is about deceased people, I had to sort out a database for a well known Gay senator and all I was asked was to try remove the dead people to avoid embarrassment

uch

KingBrian2 wrote: »

There was fix up with the electronic voting machines. They were designed to make it easy to cheat apparently they could alter your vote. Glad they stuck to the common pencil and paper.

Bull****

KomradeBishop

lazybones32 wrote: »

We get sent polling cards for people who do not exist: one of the names that is sent to us is the same as a former pet. deceased family members still get sent their card, as do people who no longer reside here but have registered in their new location.

Seriously? That's utterly crazy if true, so a bit skeptical - if true, that could probably get in the newspapers if proof can be shown.

KomradeBishop

Good thread - got me skeptical and wondering about ways that the voting system can be cheated. Noticed this while reading up on related things - cross-posted from another thread:

Something important to note about the coming elections: Irish citizens abroad - i.e. our huge number of emigrants - do not have a vote.

We have been waiting for a promised Electoral Commission (which we're supposed to wait on, for allowing overseas votes) from two separate governments now - and fixing this was a promise Fine Gael made, but what is taking so long?

Almost a decade we have been waiting for this, and it seems like it has been conveniently delayed again and again, and this time until after the general election, almost as if the purpose were so that Fine Gael would not have to deal with the protest votes from emigrants - who obviously would have most reason to vote against Fine Gael (for example...).

To me, this seems almost perfectly deferred/orchestrated, in order to disenfranchise emigrants, and to erode the voting power of groups who would oppose government.

Remember, when it comes to Irish emigrants:

Ireland has the highest percentage of people living abroad out of all OECD countries. One out of every six Irish-born people currently resides in another country, illustrating the devastating and enduring impact the global financial crisis has had on the country.

https://d28wbuch0jlv7v.cloudfront.net/images/infografik/normal/chartoftheday_4237_the_countries_with_the_most_people_living_overseas_n.jpg
https://www.statista.com/chart/4237/the-countries-with-the-most-people-living-overseas/

Fleawuss

kneemos wrote: »

They need to embrace technology. Everyone has a pps number,shouldn't be a massive difficulty to keep account of ages and deaths and amend the register automatically.

HSE still write to my dead mother. Bit of a fixation I think.

lazybones32

We get sent polling cards for people who do not exist: one of the names that is sent to us is the same as a former pet. deceased family members still get sent their card, as do people who no longer reside here but have registered in their new location.

Capt'n Midnight

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Was it Charles Haugheys buddy that was caught voting twice?

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/personation-once-again-26383114.html

February 18, 1982 when Charles Haughey's election agent, Pat O'Connor, was sensationally charged with attempting to vote at two polling stations in the tight Dublin North constituency. By lunchtime on polling day, the damaging news was splashed across the front of the Evening Herald. Mysterious buyers mobilised, snapping up every copy in bulk from Dublin North shops.

Just as RTE's six o'clock news went on air, the constituency suffered a widespread power blackout. Locals said that someone had thrown a bicycle onto an ESB transformer.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

There are many people on the register and long gone from their addresses. 3 additional voting cards arrived here this week for kids long married and living elsewhere - where they are alsonregistered to vote. There has to be hundreds of thousands incorrectly listed on the register. We notified them of the changes here several times and it's still wrong.

Ice Maiden

Why not let dead pets vote?

[Deleted User]

kneemos wrote: »

They need to embrace technology. Everyone has a pps number,shouldn't be a massive difficulty to keep account of ages and deaths and amend the register automatically.

Gives no info on whereabouts, which is the critical thing...

Fat Christy

I made a mistake the first time!

kneemos

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You evidently have a good registrar of electors in the area, keeping tabs in everything, the postmen used to be great sources for them. As long as s/he made sure you resided there before adding you, and were not away working.

They need to embrace technology. Everyone has a pps number,shouldn't be a massive difficulty to keep account of ages and deaths and amend the register automatically.

[Deleted User]

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I never got the big thing about having to go registering to vote. I was automatically put on the register and when my grandmother died she was taken off it before the next referendum taking place.

You evidently have a good registrar of electors in the area, keeping tabs in everything, the postmen used to be great sources for them. As long as s/he made sure you resided there before adding you, and were not away working.

[Deleted User]

Know of a certain politician in Kerry who asked a friend of mine to impersonate another voter, she refused but there was a bit of pressure applied. Kerry has had a few accusations about electoral fraud and a file was supposed to be sent to the DPP after the last election but unsurprisingly it seems to have gathered dust.

KingBrian2

There was fix up with the electronic voting machines. They were designed to make it easy to cheat apparently they could alter your vote. Glad they stuck to the common pencil and paper.

kneemos

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I never got the big thing about having to go registering to vote. I was automatically put on the register and when my grandmother died she was taken off it before the next referendum taking place.

Someone must have registered you.

freshpopcorn

I never got the big thing about having to go registering to vote. I was automatically put on the register and when my grandmother died she was taken off it before the next referendum taking place.

The_Valeyard

Was it Charles Haugheys buddy that was caught voting twice?

Sunnyisland

kneemos wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/url?q=http://www.kildarenow.com/news/irelands-electoral-register-has-overstated-half-a-million-people/70249&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwja6NKOkofLAhUKcj4KHe9pC0IQFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNGPwVcHDqbKQ82gGcmRETVh_Z92wA

That's the shinners in government so lol lol

kneemos

realies wrote: »

Where you get that figure from ? N Korea :-)

https://www.google.ie/url?q=http://www.kildarenow.com/news/irelands-electoral-register-has-overstated-half-a-million-people/70249&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwja6NKOkofLAhUKcj4KHe9pC0IQFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNGPwVcHDqbKQ82gGcmRETVh_Z92wA

Sunnyisland

kneemos wrote: »

Apparently there's half a million too many on the register . Anybody admit to voting more than once?Or is it a bit of a myth?
No idea what the penalty is or if anybody has ever been caught.

Where you get that figure from ? N Korea :-)

Sunnyisland

Never seen or heard it being done here, Dublin central.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Do people use their dead relatives votes?

Fred Swanson

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saltsun

Vote early, vote often.