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Eircode - its implemetation (merged)

beveragelady

I called An Post today to try to sort out a problem with deliveries. The customer service chap was very helpful and I think it all got sorted.
The thing is, I tried to give him my Eircode because I live at a vague rural address but he said that they're not using them because the system isn't set up.
Amazed!
It's bad enough that they're no good to users of satnavs or google maps, but this is just astonishing. Can anybody explain how this could have been launched to such fanfare when it's all but meaningless?

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oscarBravo

BailMeOut wrote: »

What these 4p / per lookup companies are offering are API lookups. That's the value they add.

I know, I'm using one.

I had originally looked at licensing the ECAD, but there was substantially less coding effort required and much more manageable costs to use an API when one became available.

BailMeOut

oscarBravo wrote: »

I know, I'm using one.

I had originally looked at licensing the ECAD, but there was substantially less coding effort required and much more manageable costs to use an API when one became available.

do you mind if I ask what you use it for and what system you are using that is pulling eircode addresses via API?

I never got the complains about the adoption of eircode not being instant! It was always going to be a slow and organic adoption as it all comes down to software and systems being developed or changed. The killer change in adoption and use will be when Google support it which is only a matter of time.

oscarBravo

BailMeOut wrote: »

do you mind if I ask what you use it for and what system you are using that is pulling eircode addresses via API?

I have several thousand customers, most in rural locations with non-unique addresses, and I regularly need to send engineers out to them on maintenance calls. Every customer with an Eircode is a customer my engineers don't have to ring and spend ages listening to misleading directions, getting lost, ringing again...

Our CMS is in-house developed, so integrating Eircodes was relatively easy - took me a couple of days coding to get it up and running.

plodder

TheChizler wrote: »

It could be argued that they've already done that. They've given each address point a postcode for free, it can be used for free and given to others once you know it, and small volume users can do 15 lookups per day for free; 50 over Christmas. The premium service that Eircode provides is copies of its database in lite or full versions.

Value added resellers build applications to simplify use for companies who fall into the gap between 15 per day and the entire database, or who don't have the need or capability to to build their own applications.

It could be argued, sure. I wouldn't agree with it though. By the way, the 15 lookups per day are not for commercial use. Going OT a bit. Will continue on other thread.

ukoda

Got letter today and the postage stamp has this on it

moyners

oscarBravo wrote: »

I know, I'm using one.

I had originally looked at licensing the ECAD, but there was substantially less coding effort required and much more manageable costs to use an API when one became available.

What will you do when Google start implementing? This is something that's confused me from the start. Why would you pay for lookups when your engineers can just pop the Eircode into Google maps directly on their phone?

It'll be interesting to see if the Google API will include Eircode lookup in addition to address lookup. It could end up cannibalising other providers business. I'm sure all of that would have come up in licence negotiations.

ukoda

moyners wrote: »

I'm sure all of that would have come up in licence negotiations.

Probably why it's taking so long

oscarBravo

moyners wrote: »

What will you do when Google start implementing? This is something that's confused me from the start. Why would you pay for lookups when your engineers can just pop the Eircode into Google maps directly on their phone?

It'll be interesting to see if the Google API will include Eircode lookup in addition to address lookup. It could end up cannibalising other providers business. I'm sure all of that would have come up in licence negotiations.

Short answer: I don't know. I'll see when it happens. I can't imagine that Google will allow unlimited lookups under the terms of the licence they've agreed with Capita.

edit: I should also point out that there are several advantages to me in being able to pinpoint groups of customers accurately on a map, independent of the engineers being able to navigate to customer premises.

ukoda

oscarBravo wrote: »

Short answer: I don't know. I'll see when it happens. I can't imagine that Google will allow unlimited lookups under the terms of the licence they've agreed with Capita.

edit: I should also point out that there are several advantages to me in being able to pinpoint groups of customers accurately on a map, independent of the engineers being able to navigate to customer premises.

I can't imagine Google will limit anything in terms of look ups. That would be extremely cumbersome for them.

It's more likely the licence will be some sort of flat fee, with maybe thresholds around numbers that they pay extra for, like if it goes over X amount or something.

We've already seen willingness to use this type of licence from eircode when they offer unlimited address validation a on a website for a flat fee of 3k per year

[Deleted User]

ukoda wrote: »

Got letter today and the postage stamp has this on it

This happened earlier than I expected it to....

ukoda

Eircode is slowly becoming ever more prevalent in my life, at the moment there are 2 polling cards, an Electric Ireland Gas bill and about 6 candidate Leaflets on my counter all with my eircode on them. Another letter has a reminder on it to use eircode and I've got an insurance quote from 123.ie in my inbox where I was asked for my eircode

A slow burn, but I think by the end of the year it's going to be very common in day to day life.

[Deleted User]

I always expected it to be a slow burn as for many (as proven by all the threads here) who are actually reticent to use them as they perceive them as another act by "big brother" to restrict their freedom.

moyners

ukoda wrote: »

Got letter today and the postage stamp has this on it

Could be Capita marketing though?
https://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/AnPostDM/ProductsAndServices/PostmarkAdvertising/

ukoda

moyners wrote: »

Could be Capita marketing though?
https://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/AnPostDM/ProductsAndServices/PostmarkAdvertising/

Potentially, I made no claims as to who was responsible for it, it doesn't really matter though, it's getting the message out there either way

my3cents

moyners wrote: »

Could be Capita marketing though?
https://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/AnPostDM/ProductsAndServices/PostmarkAdvertising/

My complaint is that they should have done more or there should have been a decent size advertising budget at launch.

moyners

ukoda wrote: »

Potentially, I made no claims as to who was responsible for it, it doesn't really matter though, it's getting the message out there either way

Agreed. Clever if it is Capita as it looks as though An Post are pushing it

ukoda

The CRO (company registrations office) have gone out to tender for a "Eircode address validation tool" so they will be using eircodes for their address validation shortly

ukoda

Retail Ex Ireland, a body representing over 13,000 retailers in Ireland has tweeted a link to their blog written by gamma Ireland about the benefits of eircode to retailers

https://twitter.com/retailexireland/status/700692573816401920

BoatMad

I notice you can't add new PayPal Irish registrations without providing your eircode.

my3cents

BoatMad wrote: »

I notice you can't add new PayPal Irish registrations without providing your eircode.

You need to provide an Eircode but it doesn't have to be your Eircode, no validation so far.

MBSnr

my3cents wrote: »

You need to provide an Eircode but it doesn't have to be your Eircode, no validation so far.

Although technically you'd be breaking their terms and conditions 9.1(e) in providing misleading or false information...
https://www.paypal.com/ie/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full

9. Restricted Activities
9.1 Restricted Activities. In connection with your use of our website, your Account, or the Services, or in the course of your interactions with PayPal, a User or a third party, you will not:

e.Provide false, inaccurate or misleading Information;

larchill

Just realised that the election literature has eircode on the address. My polling card came during the week & has eircode on it.

BoatMad

my3cents wrote: »

My complaint is that they should have done more or there should have been a decent size advertising budget at launch.

I see , writing to every house in the land wasn't enough.

Anything else at the launch , when companies hadn't implemented it systems would have been a waste of money. I think you'll see reminder advertising now starting , given the huge uptake in eircode usage in web pages recently. I suspect it will really hit home when google maps release the facility soon

my3cents

BoatMad wrote: »

I see , writing to every house in the land wasn't enough.

Anything else at the launch , when companies hadn't implemented it systems would have been a waste of money. I think you'll see reminder advertising now starting , given the huge uptake in eircode usage in web pages recently. I suspect it will really hit home when google maps release the facility soon

In Ireland that certainly wasn't enough a lot of people will have had the card, lost it and that is about their total knowledge of Eircode.

BoatMad

my3cents wrote: »

In Ireland that certainly wasn't enough a lot of people will have had the card, lost it and that is about their total knowledge of Eircode.

Youre right , like all critics of eircode , the fact that it's appearing on their voters cards , various bills , revenue letters , is of course irelevsnt , not to mention being increasingly required online

Sure , it's lost to people

Seriously dude , the US tanks ARE rolling down main street Baghdad behind you.

a65b2cd

ukoda wrote: »

The CRO (company registrations office) have gone out to tender for a "Eircode address validation tool" so they will be using eircodes for their address validation shortly

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=96611&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders

gctest50

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We need this :

(Eircodes instead of house numbers though )

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/kerbside-street-numbering-vital/2378477/

IN the event of an emergency, every second is crucial.

That's why Battery Hill Neighbourhood Watch has worked with local police to paint street numbers on the kerb, assisting essential services to find their destination without delay.

"Painting a number on the kerb helps to identify or assist essential services and others in identifying residents' addresses," Caloundra Police Senior Constable Peter Dickens said.

"There's a lot of letterbox numbers hidden by bushes, letterboxes that don't have numbers or letterboxes that have been knocked over and never replaced."

brandodub

My health insurance provider used eircode on my renewal letter along the election material already mentioned. Slow start but I see it much more since the beginning of the year. Any updates on Google usage?

Sam Russell

brandodub wrote: »

Any updates on Google usage?

That is the question. When Google and the satnavs implement Eircode it will drive the general public to start asking others for their Eircode so they can get directions, and then people will begin to remember their own code.

I was trying to find a pub in a small village on the border of Galway and Mayo using my up to date Garmin satnav. I could neither find the village or the pub because it was not listed. On Google, I had no problem finding both but I do not have Google on my satnav.

marmurr1916

a65b2cd wrote: »

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=96611&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders

So if you want to register a company, you will in future be asked to include an Eircode for the company's registered address?