GJG wrote: » Except that wasn't what was said. The claim was made that no business would want or bother with a website postcode branch finder. I provided examples of businesses using it in various other countries, and said that there is no reason to believe that the same won't happen in Ireland.
hans aus dtschl wrote: » With respect, I was paraphrasing you rather than quoting you. I found your language was inflammatory/condescending, irrespective of who it was aimed at. Nobody claimed that no business would want or bother with a postcode branch finder. The exact phrase was "I don't think that you can get potential customers to key in that sort of information, when you're at first-contact (trying to win the potential customers). " I'll happily stand over that comment. When I visit a website for the first time, I don't automatically think of giving it information. For a big-name well-known brand it's less of an issue, or not an issue at all. For small companies whose brand isn't known, whose website isn't known, it might prove more difficult. Particularly at Eircode rollout stage. When Eircode is more established it will be much easier. Let's not discuss that right now.
xband wrote: » The example given way back up the thread was about a business that just wanted to simply list the areas it served in a static format. If you're say doing house painting, you're not going to want or need to be verifying and checking postcodes on a website to see if you serve that area. That's all that was being said! The idea of postcode database look ups every time you want to figure anything out about an address is a huge limitation of eircode and it will mean it's not going to be as useful as typical postcode systems .
BoatMad wrote: » Why , do computers get tired accessing databases or something ?
hans aus dtschl wrote: » Thanks for making my point for me! Sorry Sam, back on topic, does anyone know of any online mapping system using eircode yet, other than Eircode themselves?
chewed wrote: » Why don't Garmin or Google have a statement about implementing Eircode? The fact that there's none, leads me to believe that this won't happen in 2016.
Minister for Communications Alex White has said agreements with companies including Google and Satnav to recognise the Eircode systems are complete and he expects that "licences will be signed off on in next few weeks".
BoatMad wrote: » this is interestinghttps://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zrmXDfjvem7g.k2eSAnvagEdQ&hl=en_US
plodder wrote: » That isn't associated with google. Anyone can create a map like that with any points of interest
my3cents wrote: » I didn't notice anyone suggest it was associated with google?
Sorry Sam, back on topic, does anyone know of any online mapping system using eircode yet, other than Eircode themselves?
threeiron wrote: » Yes, hard to understand why an official map was not made available.
plodder wrote: » Neither did I, but some might have assumed it was something to do with google, given we had just been talking about google's adoption of Eircode. It was an early attempt at a (crowd sourced) routing key map, which considering they didn't have access to the data, meant it would never be as useful as a proper routing key map. I guess the answer to that question is No. There aren't any online mapping systems yet, using Eircode, other than Eircode themselves. At least none that are open to the public.
Red Alert wrote: » ......... Even an 8-character postcode with AAAA PPPP with area followed by property would have made more sense, since the area could be used on its own in general discussion, e.g. house prices.
GJG wrote: » http://www.gamma.ie/sites/default/files/RKDraft.pdf
Red Alert wrote: » Eircode would have been much less ridiculous if they had actually provided meaningful and well-defined geographic areas as routing keys. The whole implementation seems to have been designed so that the routing keys had little-to-no meaning. Even an 8-character postcode with AAAA PPPP with area followed by property would have made more sense, since the area could be used on its own in general discussion, e.g. house prices.
TheChizler wrote: » Is it just me or are the routing keys usage by customers a bit of a red herring? I can't really see the benefit of looking at a code and looking up what the routing key outline looks like? You just need to know what yours is and the larger area around you. You'd get a better idea by looking up the address itself. Or when the small areas are linked in and a suitable interface available to customers these would be much more useful. Going off topic and back to the design, if I dare, I imagine the routing keys were chosen to correspond to sorting areas because the country was too big to have no routing key (and have the same number of characters for the unique part), and having thousands of routing keys would affect the memorability of the design. The existing sorting areas had a nice number of keys as a compromise and with the added advantage of having the data already available for quick rollout once they start allocating codes. Is there any update on the small areas and applications being developed?
BoatMad wrote: » Eircode is a postal code . . .
