frag420 wrote: » So is this defence only afforded to God? Can say a Isis use it as they are against those that do not follow their belief system? Could say Iddy Amin or Robert Mugabe use this defence when they do not step in to stop their own country folk being slaughtered, letting them starve, killing them for believing in something different?
frag420 wrote: » Why should got get a her very own get out of jail free card or as it should be know, the fingers in my ears and if I cant hear you then it didnt happen defence?
frag420 wrote: » As for it sux to be human? Not really, I love being human. I get to have sex, lots of it (outside of any kind of meaningful relations too:eek:), I get to have holidays, eat good food, drink beer, have a great job, live in a great city etc etc etc
frag420 wrote: » However I would say it sux to believe that you made by someone who does not really give a damn about you once he is finished making you............which is kinda similar to how the church views fetus & children. We will protect you as a fetus but once you grasp your first breath of air you are on your own even if born into poverty, born with half a head, no limbs etc!!
Delirium wrote: » MOD NOTE Lets try to keep to the topic, i.e. Sanctity of Life/ abortion. If people wish to ineffability of God, feel to start a new thread. Thanks for your attention.
cd07 wrote: » guys guys guys. I had a beautiful true Catholic mass going wife who believed in God and the whole 9 yards immensely. and this is a wee bit off topic but anyway. .. she was killed tragically some time ago alone with our child. so explain to me where her God or the God of my child "who didn't know of any" was that day? now I don't want to hear of any 'it was gods plan crap' where was their right to life , left in a so called gods hands??????
looksee wrote: » ABC101 - if you had actually read cd07's post you would realise that your post was less than helpful. Someone said to me, shortly after my 14 month old baby died, many years ago 'now you have a little angel in heaven'. She had no idea whether this would be helpful to me at all, it helped her feel good about herself by making a suitably sanctimonious comment. It just made me angry as well as sad. Yes, this is the Christianity forum and cd07 might have expected that response, but sometimes a little bit of cop on goes a long way.
ABC101 wrote: » If I have offended cd07 I think he is capable of posting for himself, or do you post for him too? Did you find my entire post unhelpful? Or was it just certain parts of it? As you correctly mention, this is a Christianity forum....but I am coming to the conclusion that Christian posters are being subject to a certain form of censorship as to what they are allowed to post about Christianity in a Christianity forum. I have mentioned this to you before, where you have complained about my posts where I quoted Edmund Burke. It is also clear that you have personal issues with Christianity, which Raises questions about your suitability as a moderator for a Christianity forum. I cannot see you acting in a fair objective impartial manner as a moderator given your personal issues with belief / faith understanding. So what are Christian believers allowed to mention / post in a Christianity forum?
ABC101 wrote: » It is also clear that you have personal issues with Christianity, which Raises questions about your suitability as a moderator for a Christianity forum. I cannot see you acting in a fair objective impartial manner as a moderator given your personal issues with belief / faith understanding. So what are Christian believers allowed to mention / post in a Christianity forum?
Florida In July 2015, Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott ordered a state investigation to see whether Planned Parenthood was "selling body parts," Politico Florida reported at the time. On Aug. 5, the agency investigating the clinics released its findings, saying that none of the state's Planned Parenthood sites had been selling tissue or body parts. However, the investigation did find that one clinic out of Florida's 16 wasn't correctly keeping its records of fetal remains. In addition, three were found to have been performing second-trimester abortions while only being licensed to perform abortions in the first trimester, according to Politico. Planned Parenthood disputed this, arguing that the state had changed the rules on how it measured the first trimester, as Reuters reported. Though it briefly looked like the state and Planned Parenthood agreed on the issue, Politico reported, the organization was fined in September 2015. Georgia Republican Gov. Nathan Deal on July 16, 2015, asked the state's Departments of Community Health and Public Health to investigate whether Planned Parenthood was engaging in the "horrific practice" that the CMP's videos claimed to depict. On Aug. 13, the Department of Public Health reported that all five of the clinics had "proper procedures in place for burial or internment of [fetal] remains," as NPR member station WABE reported. Indiana In July 2015, Republican Gov. Mike Pence asked the state Department of Health to investigate the state's Planned Parenthood clinics, to see whether they were engaging in any sale of fetal tissue, local TV station WTHR reported. Weeks later, the department said it had "concluded there was no evidence of this type of activity" at three Planned Parenthood facilities in the state, as the Indianapolis Star reported. Kansas On July 21, 2015, Republican Gov. Sam Brownback asked his state's Board of Healing Arts "to address the issue of sale of tissue and organs from the unborn" at Planned Parenthood facilities, the Topeka Capital-Journal reported. This month, the board said it had "determined no further action would be taken at this time," per the Associated Press. Massachusetts On July 17, 2015, Republican state Rep. James Lyons sent a letter to Democratic state Attorney General Maura Healey, asking her to launch an investigation into whether Planned Parenthood was participating in fetal tissue sales like those the CMP video purported to show, as the Boston Herald reported. On July 29, Healey responded in a statement that the state's Planned Parenthood sites were "fully compliant with state and federal laws regarding the disposition of fetal tissue" and were not participating in any fetal tissue donation, though it is legal in that state, as the Boston Globe reported. Michigan On July 16, 2015, Republican state Sen. Phil Pavlov asked the state to investigate "to determine whether or not any Michigan-based facilities have participated in the horrifying sale of babies' body parts," MLive reported. In October, the two departments handling the investigations issued a statement, saying that "there is no evidence to date that illegal practices are occurring," MLive reported. Missouri On July 21, 2015, Democratic Attorney General Chris Koster started an investigation, saying that "the questions raised by [CMP's] videos require careful review," local TV station KMBC reported. In September, a release from Koster's office said the investigation turned up no "irregularities involving the transmission, examination, or disposal of the fetal organs and tissue" from abortions at the state's one clinic that performed surgical abortions, as the New York Times reported. Nevada In September 2015, Nevada Republican Attorney General Adam Laxalt sent a letter to Nevada Planned Parenthood facilities. Mentioning the videos, the letter asked the sites about their abortion procedures and also asked if they donate fetal tissue, as the AP reported. In December 2015, his office closed the investigation, saying that the facilities weren't performing surgical abortions and that there also wasn't evidence of tissue donation, according to the AP. Ohio In mid-July 2015, Ohio Republican Attorney General Mike DeWine announced that he was launching an investigation into whether any Planned Parenthood clinics in the state were selling fetal parts, according to Cleveland.com. In December, the state released the investigation, revealing that there was no evidence of any such sales. However, investigators did find that fetal remains were disposed of via incinerators or landfills, which, while not illegal, DeWine claimed "violate[d] Ohio administrative code," as Cleveland.com reported. (An Ohio Planned Parenthood official disputed his claim.) Pennsylvania In July, two Republican state legislators asked the state attorney general to investigate whether Planned Parenthood in Pennsylvania was selling fetal tissue, Philly.com reported. In August, state Health Secretary Karen Murphy responded in a letter that there was no evidence that any Pennsylvania facilities were buying, selling or donating fetal tissue, as The Hill reports. South Dakota In July 2015, Republican state Attorney General Marty Jackley instructed the state Health Department to investigate whether fetal tissue sales were occurring at Planned Parenthood, the AP reported. On Aug. 11, 2015, Jackley told the Associated Press that "there are no reports, complaints or inspection records that would demonstrate any evidence (of) illegal activity in South Dakota at this time." Washington In late July 2015, 34 Republican lawmakers wrote a letter asking Democratic Attorney General Bob Ferguson to investigate whether the state's Planned Parenthood clinics were selling fetal parts, the Seattle Times reported. In November, Ferguson reported that the state had found no evidence that the state's affiliates were selling fetal tissue. Washington is home to one of only two clinics (the other being in California) that Planned Parenthood says currently donate any fetal tissue to researchers. In addition, eight states (California, Colorado, Delaware, Idaho, Iowa, Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Virginia) decided not to pursue investigations into the videos' allegations. Investigations Still Ongoing Not that the investigations are over — Arizona and Louisiana, for example, still have investigations in progress, according to Planned Parenthood. And in Texas, Abbott likewise said after this week's indictment that a state investigation into Planned Parenthood will continue. "The Health and Human Service Commission's inspector general and the attorney general's office have an ongoing investigation into Planned Parenthood's actions," Abbott said. "Nothing about today's announcement in Harris County impacts the state's ongoing investigation." In addition, the Ohio Senate this week voted to block government funding to Planned Parenthood. CMP's videos factored heavily into the debate over that bill, which will go to Republican Gov. John Kasich, who is firmly anti-abortion and is expected to sign it.
frag420 wrote: » Good to see Christian Pro Life Groups maintaining their Christian morals...........oh wait a sec....they are up to the same thing they are always up to!! You stay classy Christians!!https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/how-abortion-opponents-secretly-bought-a-virginia-abortion-clinic/2016/02/04/08a3b1c4-c4f5-11e5-8965-0607e0e265ce_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_dvorak-1130am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
Absolam wrote: » Whereas the classiness of the pro choice camp remains unadulterated :-)
robdonn wrote: » Do you have examples of a pro-choice group proudly deceiving women about medical services that they are entitled to?
Absolam wrote: » I don't. Is that the new measure of classiness we have to conform to now? I think I missed the memo.
Absolam wrote: » Whereas the classiness of the pro choice camp remains unadulterated :-)NARAL recently ripped into the Doritos Superbowl ad for 'humanising foetuses'. Check out the replies to their tweet if you're interested in a bit of silliness from both sides...
cattolico wrote: » Yes, its astonishing people take exception to the humanity and REALITY of the unborn. (Doritos has a big increase in sales BTW!)
robdonn wrote: » I must have misspelt your email
hinault wrote: » The word is misspelled.
