teddyhead wrote: » Well I must be reading a different CV . I copied and pasted this bit. Which of these are 'mainstream'? Rebellion (2016), Charlie (2015), The Kingdom, (2012)[1] There Was A Man, There Was No Man (2012), The Lion of Kabul (2009), The Diver, co-written with Hideki Noda, (2008) Peer Gynt,adapted from Ibsen (2007) Don Quixote adapted from the novel by Cervantes, with Pablo Ley (2007) How Many Miles to Basra? (2006), The Bee, co-written with Hideki Noda,(2006 By 'arty' , I mean being too much of a clever clogs.
teddyhead wrote: » Well I must be reading a different CV . I copied and pasted this bit. Which of these are 'mainstream'?
maudgonner wrote: » Many of those are stage plays, I think?IMDB lists his TV credits as: Rebellion Charlie Silk Vera Singlehanded All of those are mainstream dramas.
teddyhead wrote: » Reminded me of that nonsense 'Amber' from a few years back. Indulgent and misguided.
teddyhead wrote: » Fair enough. I stand a bit corrected but I think the point stands about him being a bit too 'clever' with rebellion, ie the clunky feminism , the downplaying of historically important figures etc.
jmcc wrote: » No. It was just a very poorly written series and a waste of money. RTE was subverted by the Workers Party (The Ned Stapleton cumman) in the 1980s and it turned it very anti-Irish complete with the extremist implementation of Section 31. But then you probably wouldn't know anything about that. There is a serious mistrust for anything coming out of RTE these days and a lot of it dates back to its pro-British propaganda postion (as pushed by the Harrisites in RTE) during the Troubles. Regards...jmcc
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: » I don't have a problem with them downplaying the historic figures. Given what we did see of them though, and how much people complained about how they were being portrayed, I would almost love to see the whole series focused on them just to see people's heads explode when they're not all painted as the whiter than white heroes that they want them to be.
teddyhead wrote: » Indeed. A missed opportunity to examine some of 'our national heroes'. Its not that their presence is vital to a historical drama , but if a writer is going to dismiss these ready made and interesting 'characters', he had better have invented some good ones to replace them with, which imo, the writer failed to do.
Strazdas wrote: » In that case, Rebellion would have been about the actual Rising and Pearse, Connolly, Clarke etc. As some people have pointed out here though, even such a series may have come under attack from the same people who are attacking Rebellion. In fact, I'd nearly bet money on it. It would probably be more of the same "This series could have been great but RTE made a complete mess of it and got the leaders of the Rising all wrong".
Mebuntu wrote: » RTE showed their own contempt for the series (and for us viewers) by running an ad for the 6-Nations on the screen right through Part 1 of the final episode.
josephryan1989 wrote: » If they stuck to the facts and didn't make up bullsh*t they wouldn't get it wrong would they?
HeidiHeidi wrote: » Whose "facts" though? I'm assuming you're not 120 years old, so have no direct experience of the time. So everything you know is someone's version of events. The same event can be seen from lots of angles, and won't necessarily be told/seen in the same way afterwards.
Strazdas wrote: » Others are of the opinion
josephryan1989 wrote: » That's why we have historians and historians find agreement on the facts of what happened during the Rising. There are more than enough witness accounts of what occurred and from numerous angles to faithfully reconstruct the events as they happened.
jmcc wrote: » Harris and his Workers Party cronies plagiarising the "New Journalism" of the 1960s and ranting about "factualism". Corrupting the whole journalistic process and turning RTE into a discredited propaganda station. Then telling RTE reporters to run the UVF/UDA line on everything. Taking a very pro-British angle on anything that happened instead of providing balanced journalism. This is a Republic despite some people wishing it was still part of the UK. You use the term "republican" like it is some kind of insult. But that anti-Irish propaganda doesn't work any more. The Irish people are a lot more mature, better educated and better informed. Thus when the likes of "Rebellion" is produced by the "national" broadcaster, it doesn't get treated with the universal acclaim that RTE expected. It is treated with derision. The sad thing is that RTE is capable of so much better as that programme on Ireland before the Rising showed. What some of the posters here, if they are not trolls, and some in RTE don't seem to understand is that Irish people no longer feel inferior. The majority of us are no longer toadying little cretins waiting for a pat on the shoulder from some lower middle class pseudo "royal" German family. We are Irish. We are not British. The Rising is part of our history. Regards...jmcc
Caprica wrote: » I thought it was a very disappointing series, can't believe it cost €6m. I though it was poorly written and acted, with most of the characters pretty much forgettable. Hopefully there won't be a second series. It's a pity for RTE as they have been on a good roll with their dramas in recent years.
Strazdas wrote: » I've a feeling the writers of Rebellion would take great issue with the idea they are pursuing a West Brit / anti Irish-nationalism agenda or that they are filled with some form of post colonial self loathing to the point where they are embarrassed to be Irish.
jmcc wrote: » You can tell them just that if it pleases you. That's exactly what is driving a lot of the criticism of the series. That and the really crass Political Correctness and anachronistic Dortspeak dialogue. To paraphrase one cardboard character, it was a crime scene in a war zone. Regards...jmcc
Shurimgreat wrote: » I think once more you are missing the point that Rebellion is a drama. There are hundreds of similar dramas out there like it, set against various wars, as well as novels. War and Peace, Brideshead Revisited, For Whom the Bell tolls, Generation War and so on and so forth. All have stuff "made up" in them. The whole point of dramas is that much of it is made up. Otherwise it wouldn't be a drama. Again, I really would advise the historical anoraks to give dramas like Rebellion and so on a very wide berth. Stick to the historians and the factual programs.
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: » This idea that what was shown on Rebellion was in any way anti Irish or pro British or anything like that drives me nuts. For every moment they showed the rebels or leaders in a less than flattering light there was another moment showing the British in the same way. Not a single English character came away looking good, did they? No Irish characters, real or fictional, were completely hung out to dry either?
P. Breathnach wrote: » It also irked me that everything and everybody seemed too clean.
Strazdas wrote: » Don't forget the political correctness and anachronistic dialogue accusation has frequently been levelled at the juggernaut that is Downton Abbey.
josephryan1989 wrote: » The 1916 Rising was a blood sacrifice and a protest in arms which succeeded in awakening the nation.
