Shurimgreat wrote: » What on earth is with the obsession with Downton Abbey? You realise the Rising encompassed people from all classes? Do you accept that? No-one wants to watch 5 episodes of volunteers marching, cleaning their weapons or Pearse propagandising. That would make for the worlds dullest program. I get the feeling your a history buff. If so I'd advise you not to watch dramas like rebellion. The clue is in the title - drama .
jmcc wrote: » have no understanding of Irish history and do not even realise how offensive RTE's Down Town Abbey really is to people outside the Montrose fundament.
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: » Obviously it's your opinion and that's fine but I find it funny that you've got one women who is dressing up as a man so she can join the rebellion and shooting young lads in the head and another woman who is carrying a married man's baby and them saying "f**k" seems out of place.
KingBrian2 wrote: » That would be deadly if they did a Downton Abbey- Rebellion mash up. Some character comes over to Dublin and gets dragged into the hostilities and the Downton Abbey crowd going about their normal business reacting to the scene and the news coming back from Dublin. I can picture the scene. "A right show down over in Ireland my love, a bit of the Fenian uprising." Unnamed women. "Jolly good show I dare say." Upper class Brit. "Oh no sir the situation is quite serious the entire City is under armed control by the Insurgents and Army is being called in." Butler. "You don't say I hop our lad is not caught up in this ghastly affair he only visited Dublin to pick up a book from Trinity." Upper class Brit. The material would be great to see on tv.
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: » So.... predictions for the last episode? Everyone lives? Everyone dies? Everyone gets deported to Australia?
Shurimgreat wrote: » What on earth is with the obsession with Downton Abbey?
The Rape of Lucretia wrote: » What has the fundament ever done to you ?
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: » They actually covered some of the Irish history of the time on Downton, so you don't have to imagine it if you actually watched it.
jmcc wrote: » RTE set about making a series about the Rising and it ended up as Down Town Abbey. Perhaps it is a bit too subtle for you. Regards...jmcc
nagdefy wrote: » We're all from different backgrounds here so each to their own. I'm sure throughout the year we will have RTE historical documentaries on 1916. A very good one they made about 10 years ago is 'The Man Who Lost Ireland' about General John Maxwell. It's on youtube. Well worth watching. As mentioned by some posters the TG4 documentaries Seachtar Dearmadta and the series about the individuals who signed the Proclaimation are excellent. I grew up in a place where the vast majority are proud of our struggle for independence and my background is of that ilk. Others don't have that connection with the language, the gaelic culture etc. That's fine different backgrounds. But i'm not just commemorating this year, i'm celebrating.
Strazdas wrote: » Thanks for the Maxwell link, I'm watching some of it now on Youtube. That period post-Rising is very interesting and to see how the mood in the country started to change.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Either you are a huge Downton Abbey fan or else you have never watched it.
jmcc wrote: » Two words: Licence Fee. Two more words: Ruined LyricFM. Regards...jmcc
jmcc wrote: » There is a third option: You just don't understand sarcasm. Regards...jmcc
nagdefy wrote: » On the subject of RTE dramas and documentaries for the 1912-1923 period here are my recommendations, all on youtube, and are from the last 20 years mostly, Strumpet City 1980: 1. The Burning of Cork documentary. It's December 1920. Plenty of background to the war of Independece especially in Cork. Tomás McCurtain Lord Mayor of Cork shot in his home. His successor as mayor Terence McSwiney's 74 day hunger strike. Kilmichael ambush etc covered. 2. The Killings at Coolacrease. An atrocity during the Civil War. Though the Offaly IRA argue that those killed were crown spies. Both sides presented. 3. Strumpet City. All 7 episodes based on James Plunkett's novel based on the Lockout 1913 available on youtube. From 1980. Repeated in 2013, the 90th anniversary of the Lockout. In my opinion THE BEST historical drama produced by rte. The first episode is slow enough but it picks up there after. Brilliant portrayal of Dublin society in the early 20th century. And something i'm not getting from Rebellion is the renowned Dublin wit! Something i'm very familiar with from spending 10 years in the capital and attending gaa matches versus the Dubs. Rashers Tierney (David Kelly) and the 'Toucher' Hennessy (Brendan Cauldwell) are the main purveyors of this wit. Quite hilarious at times. The actors are top notch, Cyril Cusack, Peter O'Toole, David Kelly, Brendan Cauldwell, Tom Jordan, Brian Murray, Eileen Colgan and a guest appearance by Peter Ustinov as King Edward VII. 4. Ballyseedy documentary in 1998, 75 year anniversary (1923) of atrocities during the Civil War in Kerry at Knocknagoshel and Ballyseedy. Ballyseedy is particularly horrendous for anyone not acquainted with the happenings there. 5, The Treaty 1991 film made by RTE and the BBC. Excellent. Turn away Mick's Mauser :-D Starring Brendan Gleeson. Ian Bannen as an excellent Lloyd George too. For anyone who quotes what happened in the Michael Collins film please that film is so historically inaccurate. In complete contrast this film above is just so accurate. The dialogue between the Irish and British delegation is all documented. Also the Dail meetings dialogue and British Parliament speeches in Hansard's Parliamentary records. Great humour from Collins. Dev portrayed realistically not the pantomime villain played by the late Alan Rickman in the 1996 Michael Collins film. 6. Rebel County. A full RTE documentary on the background and making of the 2006 Irish War of Independence and Civil War film 'The Wind that Shakes the Barley'. Based in Cork. A family who fight for independence divide during the Civil War. The film won the Palme d'Or at the 2006 Cannes Film Festival. Some very good RTE work there, dramas and documentaries. Forgive me if i've poor grammar and typo errors. Late night/long day
Steppenwolfe wrote: » I've seen all those and that's one of the reasons I thought this production would be much better. Admittedly only two of them were dramas. Stumpet City was made 35 years ago and is head and heels above Rebellion in every way.
Strazdas wrote: » I wouldn't necessarily agree. If Strumpet City was on air in 2016, the same critics who have been tearing into Rebellion would probably be doing the same with it too. If anything, it was even more soapy and melodramatic than Rebellion (nearly all the emphasis was on dialogue and the relationships between the characters), the very thing that seems to be bugging Rebellion's critics now.
P. Breathnach wrote: » Strumpet City was far better made, and drew very little negative comment when it first aired. Granted, we didn't have the internet.
P. Breathnach wrote: » Only some of those critical of Rebellion are suggesting that a different type of programme should have been made - they seem to want a largely non-critical re-enactment. Many of us accept the premise of the programme, but are disappointed with its execution. Strumpet City was far better made, and drew very little negative comment when it first aired. Granted, we didn't have the internet.
Strazdas wrote: » I would say Strumpet City was far closer to the Downton Abbey model....
The Rape of Lucretia wrote: » It would be interesting to see this series continue, not necessarily with the same characters, although that could be interesting too, following the changes in all class levels through independence, the dark days of the 20s and 30s, and the abstinence from responsibility during the war - all phases that were still strongly influenced by the hangover from the rebellion.
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: » I think it could be interesting to see Elizabeth's family continued with. Especially if they've got a nice big country estate some local heroes could burn them out of. See how Elizabeth feels about it all then. I think there's probably loads of scope for another series if they narrow down the focus a bit. Calling it Rebellion kind of ties their hands a bit though. The original title was Generation, which would have allowed for a bit more scope over the years. A very interesting decade or so to be "coming of age" in Ireland.
Strazdas wrote: » I would imagine the plan is to carry on with all the characters : May & Frances, Jimmy plus Arthur and his family, Elizabeth and her family, maybe even Mr Hammond if he's still based in Ireland. The possibilities for storylines are numerous.
