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Pink Fairy

Stheno wrote: »

That, how he treated his ex and daughtersand his overall attitude.

He's a boor

A family break up played out in the press is never going to end well

Stheno

Pink Fairy wrote: »

A family break up played out in the press is never going to end well

True I just cannot find anything likeable about him

We should agree to disagree

Pink Fairy

Stheno wrote: »

True I just cannot find anything likeable about him

We should agree to disagree

Nah, I disagree

Pink Fairy

Maybe he should take 2 Rennie's?

wp_rathead

That Duffy fight was class but Porier deserved it over 3 rounds - if it was over 5 like meant be in Dublin who knows

Pudsy33

wp_rathead wrote: »

That Duffy fight was class but Porier deserved it over 3 rounds - if it was over 5 like meant be in Dublin who knows

Duffy had the edge on his feet, but he couldn't stop DP taking him down. Porier was very impressive when controlling from the top. Still, the defeat shouldn't dishearten Duffy too much, onwards and upwards for him.

Pink Fairy

Communion dress yesterday, her bday party today, im broke! Anybody lend a fairy a fiver?

Tox56

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Duffy had the edge on his feet, but he couldn't stop DP taking him down. Porier was very impressive when controlling from the top. Still, the defeat shouldn't dishearten Duffy too much, onwards and upwards for him.

It should concern him a bit in terms of his takedown defence which was nowhere near good enough. Poirier isnt a particularly renowned wrestler and at the top of the division there are a lot of outstanding wrestlers who would feast on Duffy if he doesnt improve.

sullivlo

So. Making a Murderer anyone?

Pink Fairy

sullivlo wrote: »

So. Making a Murderer anyone?

Bazzo

sullivlo wrote: »

So. Making a Murderer anyone?

Pretty crazy. Half way through I had to do a quick google to make sure it wasn't scripted. I still have no idea what happened to be honest.

Best guess:

Either Steven killed her and the cops planted evidence to make sure of the conviction, there was definitely something dodgy going on with some of the police anyway, or else, and this is way out there, the ex-boyfriend or someone like that(deleted voicemails?) killed her and burned the body. Colburn and Lenk moved the remains & the car to Avery's property(calling in the plates?)

It's hard to know what happened, no matter what narrative people come up with some things are just left unexplained.

ProudDUB

I watched the first ep and found it interesting. Not sure if it going to be able to retain my interest for 9 more eps though.

Pudsy33

ProudDUB wrote: »

I watched the first ep and found it interesting. Not sure if it going to be able to retain my interest for 9 more eps though.

Keep going. It gets more and more insane as it goes on.

b.gud

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Keep going. It gets more and more insane as it goes on.

second that, you'll be gripped by the end

sullivlo

It is single handedly both the best and the worst documentary I've ever seen. Absolutely mental, gripping stuff.

sullivlo

Bazzo wrote: »

Pretty crazy. Half way through I had to do a quick google to make sure it wasn't scripted. I still have no idea what happened to be honest.

Best guess:
Either Steven killed her and the cops planted evidence to make sure of the conviction, there was definitely something dodgy going on with some of the police anyway, or else, and this is way out there, the ex-boyfriend or someone like that(deleted voicemails?) killed her and burned the body. Colburn and Lenk moved the remains & the car to Avery's property(calling in the plates?)

It's hard to know what happened, no matter what narrative people come up with some things are just left unexplained.

My best guess:

I reckon that Bobby and Scott (?) (the two who provided a dodgy alibi for each other with conflicting timelines), have something to do with it. Perhaps they killed her, transported her to the quarry in her Rav4 (hence the blood in the boot), killed her, burned her body, and fled. THEN that plank of a cop found the Rav4 and they took it as an opportunity to make Avery look bad & moved the vehicle and planted some evidence.

There are other members of the Avery family that didn't feature in the documentary that could have equally been involved. His brother for example.

However I'm not 100% convinced that Steven is innocent, so I'm really conflicted.

[Deleted User]

sullivlo wrote: »

So. Making a Murderer anyone?

Watched episode one last night.

Are all ten episodes about this one case?

sullivlo

Interested Observer wrote: »

Watched episode one last night.

Are all ten episodes about this one case?

Yes. The evidence, trial and verdict of the murder of Teresa Halbach and the role that Steven and Brendan potentially played in it.

[Deleted User]

The first episode barely held my attention, the second one gripped me then suddenly I'm on episode five... Stick with it

sullivlo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The first episode barely held my attention, the second one gripped me then suddenly I'm on episode five... Stick with it

I'm jealous that you still have episode 7 ahead of you.

b.gud

sullivlo wrote: »

I'm jealous that you still have episode 7 ahead of you.

7? would it not be 5, or are there 2 episodes out there I don't know about

sullivlo

b.gud wrote: »

7? would it not be 5, or are there 2 episodes out there I don't know about

Episode number 7. Not 7 episodes.

b.gud

sullivlo wrote: »

Episode number 7. Not 7 episodes.

ah sorry, my habit of scanning over text once again leaves me red faced

Buer

Interested Observer wrote: »

Watched episode one last night.

Are all ten episodes about this one case?

No. The first episode just gives background on the defendant, his family and his previous charges. The last line of the first episode alludes to what the next 9 are about; the main material is about to begin.

awec

Buer wrote: »

No. The first episode just gives background on the defendant, his family and his previous charges. The last line of the first episode alludes to what the next 9 are about; the main material is about to begin.

You don't post often enough these days. Where have you disappeared to? Wasn't your missus pregnant?

mfceiling

awec wrote: »

You don't post often enough these days. Where have you disappeared to? Wasn't your missus pregnant?

Poor fellow in work today telling me about his life and telling me that "we're pregnant".

Sorry what...when did this become a thing? Your missus is pregnant, it's your job to skive off and take things handy because of the sh!t storm that's coming your way in the years to come!!

mfceiling

awec wrote: »

You don't post often enough these days. Where have you disappeared to? Wasn't your missus pregnant?

Buer

Bazzo wrote: »

Pretty crazy. Half way through I had to do a quick google to make sure it wasn't scripted. I still have no idea what happened to be honest.

Best guess:
Either Steven killed her and the cops planted evidence to make sure of the conviction, there was definitely something dodgy going on with some of the police anyway, or else, and this is way out there, the ex-boyfriend or someone like that(deleted voicemails?) killed her and burned the body. Colburn and Lenk moved the remains & the car to Avery's property(calling in the plates?)

It's hard to know what happened, no matter what narrative people come up with some things are just left unexplained.

I think your first theory is the most likely. I've read up on the case a good bit since completing the series to get a more rounded grasp of the situation.

It's a documentary told very much from the perspective of the defendant and the film makers are on his side, obviously. That's not to say that there clearly isn't horrendous corruption at play with clear lies being told throughout by witnesses for the prosecution.

However, the documentary apparently left out some very interesting information and very deliberately to make the production as compelling as possible.

For example, Avery used call Auto Trader and specifically ask for the girl. He rang her directly. She had told her employers she didn't like going there and didn't feel comfortable around Avery. Top this off with the fact that he rang her 3 times on the day she disappeared including twice where he blocked his number.

He also had a bit of a record with women. He threatened to kill his wife when in prison on the original rape charge. He had a case for sexual assault brought against him after he had been arrested for murder which was never pursued. He had also been in trouble for domestic incidents against his fiancé (who leaves him during the documentary).

It also glossed over some of his previous incidents. They say something along the lines of "He threw a cat over a fire". That really downplays the incident (which already sounds horrific). In reality, he doused a cat in fuel and threw it into a fire.

Do I think there's reasonable doubt? Yes and therefore shouldn't have been convicted. Do I think he did it? If I had to put money on it, I would say he's guilty as hell. Regardless of the murder conviction, he was in possession of a firearm which is one of the charges that isn't contestable and he got 10 years for.

I also think it's a little funny and sad that, in a documentary that highlights the danger of false accusations and witch hunts, the makers have made villains out of an entire cast of people including the likes of the deceased's brother and her former boyfriend. The Avery defence team put together a list of alternate suspects (which was not admissible in trial). Neither of them were on it. In fact, they were almost all Avery's own family and relatives...including Brendan.

Buer

awec wrote: »

You don't post often enough these days. Where have you disappeared to? Wasn't your missus pregnant?

Oh. Right. That.

Yeah, little boy and a little girl arrived just a week ago. 3lbs each. Bit small but perfectly healthy. Just need to get on the weight gain diet! Thrilled with them.

mfceiling

Buer wrote: »

Oh. Right. That.

Yeah, little boy and a little girl arrived just a week ago. 3lbs each. Bit small but perfectly healthy. Just need to get on the weight gain diet! Thrilled with them.

That's great news buer. Congratulations all round!!