xlogo wrote: » Exactly - all the actors you listed are from different programs - not just the 2 on RTE (love hate and this new one)
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: As I said the fact that RTE doesn't produce as many dramas as BBC makes it look worse than it is. And I still don't see what the problem is? Three of the main characters were in Love/Hate. Two of them way back in the early series. A few minor characters were also minor characters on it. So?
xlogo wrote: » Plenty of other talent out there looking for a break / chance - that's what's 'so'.
TCDStudent1 wrote: » And if they cast unknown actors, you'd have people complaining 'with all the money they had, they should have cast known actors'......
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: Perhaps they should get better agents.
xlogo wrote: » Supreme logic - I think I'll leave it there.
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: My logic is fine. A lot of well known Irish actors have the same agent here, and they all get work.
Strazdas wrote: The main thing is that the three female leads work fine in their roles and that's all that matters.
xlogo wrote: » Ahh - the old Irish way - it's not what you know but who you know.
xlogo wrote: » Are you saying the male actors don't?
Strazdas wrote: » One thing that strikes me watching the show is how the Rising and it's aftermath poisoned relations between Ireland and Britain for many decades to come. Dubliners in 1916 were quite comfortable living in a "British" city and with the Union Jack flying over it. Within a decade or two, the atmosphere between the two countries was hostile and ugly, all because of that six year period of violence after the Rising. You can't help wonder what relations would have been like between the two if the Rising had never happened.
josephryan1989 wrote: » There was a counter revolution after the end of the Civil War. The government shot 77 Republican prisoners who were condemned by military courts in 1923. Thousands of Republican prisoners were released and many of them headed straight for the emigrant boats. The Free State Army almost fought another Civil War when the Boundary Commission left partition in place and didn't redraw the border to exclude majority Catholic counties in Ulster from Northern Ireland. Thousands of troops went back to civilian life and they too left on the emigrant boats. The Fianna Fail party won huge popularity under Dr Valera because many people resented the repressive state which was under undue influence from Britain. The people were still paying land annuities for loans decades before which allowed them to buy their land from British landlords. Fianna Fail dismantled the Treaty of 1921 and stopped the land annuities. The British responded with a trade war in an attempt to ruin the Irish people but eventually were forced by world opinion to back off. Ireland paid a one off payment to clear the annuities and got back our posts which kept us out of World War 2. Early in the war we were indanger of being invaded by Britain or America just as Iceland and Greenland were.
Strazdas wrote: » The problem is that the six years of violence post-1916 fouled relations between the two countries. The War of Independence was vicious with numerous atrocities by both sides (the British ones are well documented including sending in the Black and Tans, Bloody Sunday etc). I think all of the hang ups for decades about the British and the Union Jack and the royal family etc date back to that horrible six year period. As the series points out, Irish people were perfectly at ease living in a "British" city in early 1916, even though there was desperate hardship and poverty. These ideas about regarding everything British as toxic only came about as a result of the Rising and War of Independence.
TCDStudent1 wrote: » Obviously those 6 years didn't help in relations between the 2 countries. However suggesting they are the sole reason for 'fouled relations' is wrong. The famine, the Fenian rebellions, the land war and the Gaelic league all played their part in the Easter rising eventually occurring. You are under-estimating these events. All of these gave rise to anti-British and pro-Irish views before 1916. Rebellion has done a very good job so far to show the mix of people living in Dublin at the time - those loyal to king (Elizabeth's parents), those who believe very much in Irish language and Irish patriotism (Frances), those who aren't really political and torn based on personal affiliations (may), those who were strong believers of socialism (jimmy), those who went to fight in ww1 thinking it was the best way to serve Ireland (jimmys brother), and those who were born into wealthy families but see the injustice of the country they live in (Elizabeth). There is no doubt that there was more pro-British sentiment before 1916. This is reflected in the Kings visit in 1911 where he was widely cheered on the streets of Dublin. This is very well portrayed in RTE's Strumpet City. And Dubliners being known as 'jackeens' originated from the welcome they gave British kings. It's also reflected by the reception the rebels were given by their own people in the immediate aftermath of the rising where they were widely jeered. The land war is a particular interest of mine and I have read many newspaper articles and poems of that time lambasting the British royal family and British rule. So I think it's unfair to pin everything down to the period 1916-1922.
josephryan1989 wrote: » Yes they did. For decades after independence it was common to hear God Save the Queen sung in wealthy areas of South Dublin by West Brits especially in Dun Loaghaire which older resident who lived under British rule still called Kingstown until recently. At the RDS for many years the horsey set used to sing it too. Down the country the families of landlords who hadn't packed up and left yet sang it in their mansions but the IRA burned down their houses because they supported the Tans and kicked them out. There are still a lot of these types around in Dublin and parts of Meath and Kildare and Wicklow who talk in posh Englishy accents. They mostly vote for Fine Gael now but in the past they voted Unionist or supported the Irish Parliamentary Party. Dun Laoighaire is the most liberal region in Ireland because a lot of the West Brits became commies in the 1960s and 1970s and supported the Stickies and today they vote for People Before Profit or else the Labour Party. All the posh rugby colleges and private schools are full of these people and they usually go to British universities for their Third Level education before becoming doctors and business people when they come back. They usually hate Ireland and try to do down Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein and attack the GAA, Catholicism and Irish Republicanism. It's no accident that hero is a Citizen Army working class hero who has to be saved by a rich guilty Southside girl.
weadick wrote: » 619,000 viewers for the first episode,http://m.rte.ie/ten/news/2016/0104/757741-rebellion/ That sounds like a pretty average amount of viewers for a flagship TV production? Considering the amount of advertising it got over the last few months, interviews with the cast, etc I would have thought it would have got much bigger numbers watching.
Heroditas wrote: » As somebody who grew up and went to a"posh rugby college" in Dun Laoghaire, I disagree quite strongly with your analysis of the area but I'll respond in more detail later.
qweerty wrote: » Given Love/Hate got a million viewers for its finale, that can be thought of as the upper-limit. An average Late Late Show gets about 550k. Anything above 600k is quite unusual. Charlie had 725k for its debut. My thinking is that it's a good-to-very-good showing, but that they might have been expecting a bit more.
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: » People still being in Christmas holiday mode might have had an effect too. Don't know if RTÉ do consolidated figures taking into account numbers watching on catchup for the 7 days after original airing. Lots of chat on twitter too of how it's been geo blocked in Northern Ireland on the RTÉ player which would loose them viewing numbers too.
CramCycle wrote: » Would it really? I would have though viewership was based on republic figures regardless
