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2016 RTE Drama: Rebellion - no spoilers please (mod warning in post #1)

The Rape of Lucretia

All star cast and looks like being one of the highlights of the TV year :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ueThSkUgk4

Should be a fitting tribute to the birth of the nation and RTE centrepiece of the 2016 commemorations.

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TICKLE_ME_ELMO

xlogo wrote: »

Supreme logic - I think I'll leave it there.

My logic is fine. A lot of well known Irish actors have the same agent here, and they all get work.

xlogo

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote:

Perhaps they should get better agents.

Supreme logic - I think I'll leave it there.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

And if they cast unknown actors, you'd have people complaining 'with all the money they had, they should have cast known actors'......

Not to mention the fact that casting known names/faces helps get things produced/distributed.

TCDStudent1

xlogo wrote: »

Plenty of other talent out there looking for a break / chance - that's what's 'so'.

And if they cast unknown actors, you'd have people complaining 'with all the money they had, they should have cast known actors'......

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

xlogo wrote: »

Plenty of other talent out there looking for a break / chance - that's what's 'so'.

Perhaps they should get better agents.

xlogo

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote:

As I said the fact that RTE doesn't produce as many dramas as BBC makes it look worse than it is. And I still don't see what the problem is? Three of the main characters were in Love/Hate. Two of them way back in the early series. A few minor characters were also minor characters on it. So?

Plenty of other talent out there looking for a break / chance - that's what's 'so'.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

xlogo wrote: »

Exactly - all the actors you listed are from different programs - not just the 2 on RTE (love hate and this new one)

As I said the fact that RTE doesn't produce as many dramas as BBC makes it look worse than it is. And I still don't see what the problem is? Three of the main characters were in Love/Hate. Two of them way back in the early series. A few minor characters were also minor characters on it. So?

EDIT: I checked the crew list for this and it turns out the same casting director was used for Rebellion, Love/Hate, Raw, Charlie and Amber. Personally I don't have a problem with the same actors showing up in different things, however it does seem remarkably lazy of her

xlogo

Exactly - all the actors you listed are from different programs - not just the 2 on RTE (love hate and this new one)

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

xlogo wrote: »

What other station has such a high number the same actors in two of its main productions? Or any of it's productions.

Watch anything on BBC and you'll recognise all the cast from something else you've seen on BBC. American networks do it too. Someone does a guest spot on one show, shows up a whlie later as a recurring character on another show before becoming a series regular on a third one. Happens all the time.
Besides, it's not like they've taken half the cast of Fair City and put them in period clothes. They're all perfectly good actors, why not cast them.

EDIT: Look at BBC's current big production War and Peace.
James Norton was in Happy Valley.
Jessie Buckley was in The Outcast.
Tom Burke was in The Musketeers.
Tuppence Middleton and Stephen Rea are both currently in Dickensian.
Gillian Anderson was in The Fall.
Jim Broadbent was in The Go-Between and London Spy.

That's just off the top of my head. And all very recent series.

RTÉ doesn't prdouce as many series as the BBC does so it's going to appear worse than it actually is.

TCDStudent1

Strazdas wrote: »

I'd agree on the North vs South civil war, though how the British would have reacted to this is anyone's guess. Certainly though, all our hang ups about the British and their flag and the royal family and all that seem to stem directly from that poisonous 1916-22 period.

Perhaps you can apply that to Dublin.

But in areas where the Land War happened, there were other reasons to have anti-British sentiment. Similarly, places where the Famine had a big impact would be susceptible to anti-British sentiment.

xlogo

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote:

You'd swear RTÃ‰ was the only station that had actors show up in more than one program.

What other station has such a high number the same actors in two of its main productions? Or any of it's productions.

Strazdas

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Disappointing in the main.

There is a feeling that the rebels are being cynically humanised or sanitised by wrapping them in the soap opera of their personal lives.

A very questionable presentation of this handful of violent thugs and traitors who set Ireland on the road to partition, and part of it out of the first class carriage of the worlds countries that was the Empire, into 100 years peripheral insignificance. Add in the economic and religious backwardness, repeated incidences of its inability to govern itself responsibly, regular waves of exporting its population when unable to sustain them, and truly shameful refusal to behave as a civilised nation and play a positive role in the second world war, and the contrast with these characters portrayed is particularly jarring.
It would seem the characters in this drama are getting a very generous whitewash, without any of their crimes that have rippled down the decades being examined.
Early days, and we can hope is a deliberate policy, highlighting their crimes as their rebellion really gets underway. Will give the next episode a go in hope. Well acted.

Wouldn't disagree with the bulk of what you are saying. The period 1922-60 was a catastrophe for Ireland. I was watching the Luke Kelly documentary on RTE last week and they pointed out that men like Luke weren't just fleeing poverty when they emigrated to the UK in the 1950s but the repressive and restricted nature of the country. Didn't help that we ended up with a conservative and religious zealot like Dev running the country for decades.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Disappointing in the main.

There is a feeling that the rebels are being cynically humanised or sanitised by wrapping them in the soap opera of their personal lives.

A very questionable presentation of this handful of violent thugs and traitors who set Ireland on the road to partition, and part of it out of the first class carriage of the worlds countries that was the Empire, into 100 years peripheral insignificance. Add in the economic and religious backwardness, repeated incidences of its inability to govern itself responsibly, regular waves of exporting its population when unable to sustain them, and truly shameful refusal to behave as a civilised nation and play a positive role in the second world war, and the contrast with these characters portrayed is particularly jarring.
It would seem the characters in this drama are getting a very generous whitewash, without any of their crimes that have rippled down the decades being examined.
Early days, and we can hope is a deliberate policy, highlighting their crimes as their rebellion really gets underway. Will give the next episode a go in hope. Well acted.

Not to mention yer man Jimmy is a ginger and we're supposed to believe he has friends!

The Rape of Lucretia

Disappointing in the main.

There is a feeling that the rebels are being cynically humanised or sanitised by wrapping them in the soap opera of their personal lives.

A very questionable presentation of this handful of violent thugs and traitors who set Ireland on the road to partition, and part of it out of the first class carriage of the worlds countries that was the Empire, into 100 years peripheral insignificance. Add in the economic and religious backwardness, repeated incidences of its inability to govern itself responsibly, regular waves of exporting its population when unable to sustain them, and truly shameful refusal to behave as a civilised nation and play a positive role in the second world war, and the contrast with these characters portrayed is particularly jarring.
It would seem the characters in this drama are getting a very generous whitewash, without any of their crimes that have rippled down the decades being examined.
Early days, and we can hope is a deliberate policy, highlighting their crimes as their rebellion really gets underway. Will give the next episode a go in hope. Well acted.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Strazdas wrote: »

I'd agree on the North vs South civil war, though how the British would have reacted to this is anyone's guess. Certainly though, all our hang ups about the British and their flag and the royal family and all that seem to stem directly from that poisonous 1916-22 period.

Indeed. I was always under the impression, and still am, that Britain couldn't care less about Northern Ireland and would hand it back to the Republic in a heartbeat if it wasn't for the Unionists. Although, to be fair, much like Dublin in 1916, there are plenty of people who may consider themselves Irish living in Northern Ireland who, when push comes to shove, are perfectly happy living up there the way things are now.

Back then though, who knows. They didn't concern themselves too much when half the country was dying during the famine, so they may not have been overly concerned if we started killing each other. They may not have intervened one way or the other until one side looked like having the upper hand. Revoke home rule or start cracking down on the Unionists.

That would make a good series for TV. A bit like that new Amazon one, The Man in the High Castle, about what the USA might have been like if the Nazis had won WW2. A re imagining of Irish history if the Rising hadn't happened or even if the British hadn't reacted as they did.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

xlogo wrote: »

Wonder when Nidge will turn-up and as who?????

You'd swear RTÉ was the only station that had actors show up in more than one program.

Strazdas

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

If we had "behaved" during the period of WW1 and they'd given us Home Rule as promised there would have been a civil war sooner than we had it with the Unionists in the North kicking off. Not sure what that would have meant for Irish/English relations though.

I'd agree on the North vs South civil war, though how the British would have reacted to this is anyone's guess. Certainly though, all our hang ups about the British and their flag and the royal family and all that seem to stem directly from that poisonous 1916-22 period.

xlogo

Wonder when Nidge will turn-up and as who?????

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Strazdas wrote: »

One thing that strikes me watching the show is how the Rising and it's aftermath poisoned relations between Ireland and Britain for many decades to come. Dubliners in 1916 were quite comfortable living in a "British" city and with the Union Jack flying over it. Within a decade or two, the atmosphere between the two countries was hostile and ugly, all because of that six year period of violence after the Rising.

You can't help wonder what relations would have been like between the two if the Rising had never happened.

If we had "behaved" during the period of WW1 and they'd given us Home Rule as promised there would have been a civil war sooner than we had it with the Unionists in the North kicking off. Not sure what that would have meant for Irish/English relations though.

josephryan1989

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Many people living in Dublin in particular were getting on perfectly fine under British rule. A lot of people may have just been sick of constant fighting and were trying to make the best out of the situation they were in. You can't really judge anyone in these situations too harshly. I think anyway.

That continued after independence. Many of the Free State Army who later fought the IRA were ex-British Army veterans of Irish Regiments and today many serving members of the Irish Defence forces have ancestors who served in British uniform in the 19th and 18th centuries. Lots of RIC men joined the Gardai and the G men and Dublin Castle detectives who were fighting Collins Squad later joined forces and became the Special Branch. Civil servants jailers postemen and judges simply swapped the Crown for the Harp and kept their jobs and live went on. The green letter boxes still have British crests in them under all the layers of green paint.

Strazdas

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Modern Dublin was built by the British, many of it upper crust were essentially British people living in Ireland and the Dublin working class apart from their accents were no different from the working class in Liverpool Glasgow or London. The DMP were the same as police forces in any other British city.

Small wonder Irish Republicanism was scorned.

One thing that strikes me watching the show is how the Rising and it's aftermath poisoned relations between Ireland and Britain for many decades to come. Dubliners in 1916 were quite comfortable living in a "British" city and with the Union Jack flying over it. Within a decade or two, the atmosphere between the two countries was hostile and ugly, all because of that six year period of violence after the Rising.

You can't help wonder what relations would have been like between the two if the Rising had never happened.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Where I'm from there would have been a lot of resentment to everything that was classed as British, the landlords were brutal in their treatment of tenants.

Most of the upper classes were essentially British themselves, the middle classes were happily making a living off the large numbers of soldiers, civil servants etc. stationed in Dublin. It was the poorest of the poor that were the foot soldiers, as is always the case. The disenfranchised and the very young are the easiest to "brainwash" for want of a better word.

josephryan1989

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Very sad if that's the case that they wanted to keep living under Brit rule and sent good men to their deaths by ratting on them.

Modern Dublin was built by the British, many of it upper crust were essentially British people living in Ireland and the Dublin working class apart from their accents were no different from the working class in Liverpool Glasgow or London. The DMP were the same as police forces in any other British city.

Small wonder Irish Republicanism was scorned.

Galwayguy35

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Many people living in Dublin in particular were getting on perfectly fine under British rule. A lot of people may have just been sick of constant fighting and were trying to make the best out of the situation they were in. You can't really judge anyone in these situations too harshly. I think anyway.

Where I'm from there would have been a lot of resentment to everything that was classed as British, the landlords were brutal in their treatment of tenants.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Very sad if that's the case that they wanted to keep living under Brit rule and sent good men to their deaths by ratting on them.

Many people living in Dublin in particular were getting on perfectly fine under British rule. A lot of people may have just been sick of constant fighting and were trying to make the best out of the situation they were in. You can't really judge anyone in these situations too harshly. I think anyway.

IllBeGrand

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Today GAA is weak on the ground outside of the big counties where only a few parishes actually are any good. And in any parish it's only a few families who actually play.

Crazy stuff here.

spurious

'Mesmerism' and its associated music hall acts were popular in Ireland in the 19th century, which is why brain-washing was an awkward choice of phrase when there was a perfectly valid subsitute.

The F word thing jarred because of the class of woman who was supposed to be saying it. I've no doubt the word was well in use in Dublin at the time, though perhaps not in tree lined Georgian middle class terraces. The same problem existed in Downton, where a woman with Lady Mary's sexual history (or even rumours of it) would have been the talk of the town and not considered a worthwhile wife by anyone, much less pursued by a line of blokes.

Galwayguy35

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I remember hearing that locals ratted some of the rebels out to the Army too. As I said yesterday it was really the response to the Rising that swung the tide.

Very sad if that's the case that they wanted to keep living under Brit rule and sent good men to their deaths by ratting on them.

HeidiHeidi

wp_rathead wrote: »

finally got the RTE Player going and gave it a watch, enjoyable enough opening episode..
Jaysus all the mustaches make it confusing though

wp_rathead

finally got the RTE Player going and gave it a watch, enjoyable enough opening episode..
Jaysus all the mustaches make it confusing though